[kiwwy20]

Chances of an injury on a bad pitch in rainy conditions are higher for sure, just look at D'Ambrosio for one. Chances of slipping on such a muddy pitch are higher.

In recent matches Conte brought on Sensi against Napoli, Cagliari, Spezia, Crotone etc. but not Samp, I think it's clear the pitch affected his decision. He would rather lose 1 match than lose Sensi til the end of the season.



'Disgusted even if we win', that's new.

And weird.

Even after the CL exit Conte didn't blame the players btw, and after losing to Samp he said we didn't deserve to lose. He didn't say Barella the idiot cost us a dumb penalty, for instance. He didn't say that Bastoni was burned on the second goal. Saying we didn't deserve to lose absolves the players, at least in public. Plus clearly the players are following him, as the results show. Even in our 2 league defeats we created more than the team that won.

What is weird is finding no fault in him.

 

[Firdaus]

Good post about leaders @kiwwy20

But I just can't agree about Nainggolan. He had to go.

 

[Contardo]

He is probably talking about last summer when conte just joined in regards to nainggolan.

It was idiotic to push out nainggolan back then, he wanted to stay and prove himself. He could have been an asset last season no doubt.

Then when he came back from the loan this summer, he was obviously holding a grudge and didn't want to be here (and wasn't wanted either), but was then forced to be here for 6 months because the club was too incompetent to find a solution for him... The whole handling of the nainggolan affair was absurd tbh. That's not to say nainggolan wasnt an ass for training poorly on purpose when he came back, but he should never have been forced to stay here, despite not even being wanted, when he was pushed out against his wishes in the prior season.

But I believe this has more to do with marotta than cunte. The decision to force nainggolan out was already made prior to cunte joining.

The club still has massive issues with player handling/communication and selling our players. It's an area where marotta has managed to make no improvements at all. We still do our best to just ignore/piss off unwanted players and eventually manage to devalue them to an absurd degree.

 

[red]

Maybe Sensi was actually just injured, who knows.

What is for certain is that he is the only regular creative force we have in the team besides Brozovic, and we all know that the first task for any team playing Inter is to block Brozovic and restrict his time on the ball.

If Sensi was fit, he should have played.

D'Ambro didn't get injured because of the pitch but because an opposition player smashed into him at full speed in a do-or-die situation that could have easily resulted in a Sampdoria goal on the break.

The Eriksen sub was very stupid in retrospect. And starting Young was moronic. But we all know Young is the only player Conte trusts to start at LWB, regardless of how badly he plays.

 

[Nerazzurri4life]

What is weird is finding no fault in him.

What are you on about?

For the record

I was against Conte taking off Sanchez and putting on Eriksen

I would have preferred taking off Bastoni and putting on Eriksen or a midfielder while keeping Sanchez, Lautaro and Lukaku upfront. You can see that by reading a few pages back.

We were losing, a risk had to be taken

So I wasn't fond of Conte's running of the match, particularly not taking a more attacking approach

No, what is truly weird is constantly whining and being against a coach who has gotten the best results at Inter in a decade, and being disgusted at him even when he wins..

 

[Nerazzurri4life]

Did Pupi Zanetti become a leader the day he raised his first trophy for us or was he a leader all along?

When did leadership become synonymous with winning trophies? I always thought leadership was the ability to influence people positively to achieve greatness.

Then so far from the great leader/winner Vidal, i've seen nothing but an headless chicken running around and hurting us with his childish indiscipline. Is this what you're after?

Handa (Monster of a keeper who never had a great team in front off him unfortunately, at his best one of Top 5 in the world. Doesnt get the respect he deserve, helped us back to a decent level).

Lukaku (Has been carrying us since his arrival).

Barella (modern version of Stank, he sacrifices a lot for the sake of the team)

DeVrij (best defender in Serie A for the 2019-20 campaign)

Skriniar (was not he seen as our future captain under Lucky Luciano?)

Lautaro (still a little bit inconsistent but can never fault him for his effort, always play hard, scores a lot and does the dirty work. His energy helps set the tempo for the team.

This core helped with great players like Hakimi, Bastoni, Eriksen, Sensi, Broz, 3 or4 important players (we loaned out Radja again.. stupid Conte),high potential youngsters, homegrown players and a couple of oldies would make us contenders in Europe.

I didn't say we have bad players currently, but based on what exactly are you calling them leaders? Being good players doesn't necessarily make them leaders. Quite a big description to use and not really fitting with our current players. I don't think Zanetti was considered a leader in 1995 or 1996.

 

[Nerazzurri4life]

Maybe Sensi was actually just injured, who knows.

What is for certain is that he is the only regular creative force we have in the team besides Brozovic, and we all know that the first task for any team playing Inter is to block Brozovic and restrict his time on the ball.

If Sensi was fit, he should have played.

D'Ambro didn't get injured because of the pitch but because an opposition player smashed into him at full speed in a do-or-die situation that could have easily resulted in a Sampdoria goal on the break.

The Eriksen sub was very stupid in retrospect. And starting Young was moronic. But we all know Young is the only player Conte trusts to start at LWB, regardless of how badly he plays.

Had Sensi played and gotten injured on that muddy pitch Conte would have looked like an idiot and would have received a lot of criticism, he did alright to protect him.

 

[Firdaus]

I didn't say we have bad players currently, but based on what exactly are you calling them leaders? Being good players doesn't necessarily make them leaders. Quite a big description to use and not really fitting with our current players. I don't think Zanetti was considered a leader in 1995 or 1996.

Based on them leading? On other players looking to them and being guided by them both on and off the pitch?

Samir is clearly a leader, the biggest one in the side.

Brozovic would come next. Veteran who gets stuck in in games and takes players under his wing. Barella confirmed it.

De Vrij obviously leads the defence and leads by example.

Lukaku is also a leader who speaks up and motivates his teammates. Then there's all he does on the pitch.

I wouldn't say Barella is a leader in the normal sense currently. But he looks to be one in the future.

 

[Osman]

Leading is less about the quality of player (tho higher profile makes it easier) but about personality and the willingness to communicate, set an example and all around be direct and noticeable mark on your teammates, hold them accountable or encourage them etc. Its not even about age either, tho its more rare for young players and something you grow into, depending on your leadership style (vocal or not, setting high professionalism standards etc).

For example for Juve Bonucci has the capitano arm band on the field, and after him Dybala, but visibly and directly neither seem as leaders at all, just players who have the armband for seniority (Chiellini and Gigi are natural leaders, but rarely play for different reasons). While it goes without saying Ronaldo is an active leader who inspires them (despite his sometimes selfish ways on the pitch lol, is huge for them off it too). And despite being the youngest of the team, the most natural leader characteristics are displayed by this kid, who does this pretty much every game (and was same in Ajax and Holland NT), natural officer lol:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1347093429390618628

For Inter Handa defenitely seems like the most natural leader out there for you, tho its harder for a goalie to actively do so like an outfield player would. More of commanding the defence. Brozo is good example of a steady presence on the pitch, but generally most of your squad seems more like players who are in even keel then someone who naturally takes charge. Lukaku speaks well in interviews, but havent noticed the tendency to take on that extra responsibility on the pitch.

 

[red]

Had Sensi played and gotten injured on that muddy pitch Conte would have looked like an idiot and would have received a lot of criticism, he did alright to protect him.

Had he played, not got injured and scored or assisted then we might be top of Serie A.

That said, Sensi may have actually been injured/not fully fit

 

[Nerazzurri4life]

Had he played, not got injured and scored or assisted then we might be top of Serie A.

That said, Sensi may have actually been injured/not fully fit

Sensi wasn't injured, he was on the bench normally

Think of it this way, Sensi got injured playing and training on decent pitches

So the chances of him getting injured on a pitch in bad shape are higher

if you are willing to sacrifice a player for a month or two (or more) just to possibly get 3 points in 1 match it's up to you. Conte did the right thing here though.

He was wrong to take off Sanchez for a midfielder though. Take off Bastoni instead and play with Eriksen, Lautaro, Lukaku and Sanchez.

 

[Nerazzurri4life]

Based on them leading? On other players looking to them and being guided by them both on and off the pitch?

Samir is clearly a leader, the biggest one in the side.

Brozovic would come next. Veteran who gets stuck in in games and takes players under his wing. Barella confirmed it.

De Vrij obviously leads the defence and leads by example.

Lukaku is also a leader who speaks up and motivates his teammates. Then there's all he does on the pitch.

I wouldn't say Barella is a leader in the normal sense currently. But he looks to be one in the future.

Leading is less about the quality of player (tho higher profile makes it easier) but about personality and the willingness to communicate, set an example and all around be direct and noticeable mark on your teammates, hold them accountable or encourage them etc. Its not even about age either, tho its more rare for young players and something you grow into, depending on your leadership style (vocal or not, setting high professionalism standards etc).

For example for Juve Bonucci has the capitano arm band on the field, and after him Dybala, but visibly and directly neither seem as leaders at all, just players who have the armband for seniority (Chiellini and Gigi are natural leaders, but rarely play for different reasons). While it goes without saying Ronaldo is an active leader who inspires them (despite his sometimes selfish ways on the pitch lol, is huge for them off it too). And despite being the youngest of the team, the most natural leader characteristics are displayed by this kid, who does this pretty much every game (and was same in Ajax and Holland NT), natural officer lol:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1347093429390618628

For Inter Handa defenitely seems like the most natural leader out there for you, tho its harder for a goalie to actively do so like an outfield player would. More of commanding the defence. Brozo is good example of a steady presence on the pitch, but generally most of your squad seems more like players who are in even keel then someone who naturally takes charge. Lukaku speaks well in interviews, but havent noticed the tendency to take on that extra responsibility on the pitch.

I agree more with Osman here, no one from this Inter stands out in regards to leadership. I love Samir and he has carried Inter a lot but if the defence makes bad mistakes constantly then probably he isn't instructing/leading them in a great way. He is captain because of Icardi issue and due to being an old member of the team, not because of him being a huge leader. As for Brozovic, I doubt he can be called a leader, if he is a leader what can we call Modric or Rakitic then? Plus a leader doesn't get caught drunk driving. JZ was the model leader and professional, on the other hand.

 

[Nerazzurri4life]

In case there is no match thread for Roma-Inter until Saturday evening I will be bumping the thread from our last win there in 2017-2018, iirc it was a red thread.

 

[kiwwy20]

Good post about leaders @kiwwy20

But I just can't agree about Nainggolan. He had to go.

What @Contardo said

 

[kiwwy20]

What are you on about?



No, what is truly weird is constantly whining and being against a coach who has gotten the best results at Inter in a decade, and being disgusted at him even when he wins..

I've seen much worse than this on this forum...

What i said mate was i'm disgusted by him (the individual). Planet Inter fell in love with him at first when we were invincible, but his personality is a repellent for supporters like me and many are now turned off by him.

Maybe i'm too nostalgic of the Moratti days when watching, i don't know (and we might get sold again...)...

Scudetto is a must this season (no happening i'm sorry to say) and i maintain we had enough to win last year (and Juve we're begging us to take it from them).

For all the money spent and with the very strong players we already had, many managers would have achieve second place for us, with less stubbornness, less shiting on the club and with a younger, more unpredictable squad (still cannot believe Kulusevski turned us down because of Conte's 3-5-2).

 

[Firdaus]

@kiwwy20 The results and records should speak for themselves though. I get it; the CL exit was very disappointing but we must put that alongside the rest of the picture.

The Moratti years were fraught with problems until Mancini joined. Coaches in and out like revolving doors, tons of cash thrown with no return in the form of trophies. Players demanding to be pampered, players having no respect for the manager, etc.

So when I finally see some good foundations, an actual system (we can debate the flaws), and results, then I want to stick with it and build on it. It was the same with Mancini. In 04/05, after he started off as a draw specialist and threw away many points, we had the best defence in the league for the 2nd half of the season. We weren't winning most of our big games but it was a big start. But people were calling for his head from the first season...and imagine if Moratti had followed along. And it was the same with Mourinho. People were calling for his removal when Man U knocked us out of the CL like we were a walkover. What if Moratti had listened? We can't be so knee-jerk and we can't always amplify the bad and risk throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

 

[Nerazzurri4life]

I've seen much worse than this on this forum...

What i said mate was i'm disgusted by him (the individual). Planet Inter fell in love with him at first when we were invincible, but his personality is a repellent for supporters like me and many are now turned off by him.

Maybe i'm too nostalgic of the Moratti days when watching, i don't know (and we might get sold again...)...

Scudetto is a must this season (no happening i'm sorry to say) and i maintain we had enough to win last year (and Juve we're begging us to take it from them).

For all the money spent and with the very strong players we already had, many managers would have achieve second place for us, with less stubbornness, less shiting on the club and with a younger, more unpredictable squad (still cannot believe Kulusevski turned us down because of Conte's 3-5-2).

But even Moratti who is obviously a huge Interista hired 2 juventini: Lippi and Tardelli

Conte has obviously done better than those 2.

 

[Nerazzurri4life]

@kiwwy20 The results and records should speak for themselves though. I get it; the CL exit was very disappointing but we must put that alongside the rest of the picture.

The Moratti years were fraught with problems until Mancini joined. Coaches in and out like revolving doors, tons of cash thrown with no return in the form of trophies. Players demanding to be pampered, players having no respect for the manager, etc.

So when I finally see some good foundations, an actual system (we can debate the flaws), and results, then I want to stick with it and build on it. It was the same with Mancini. In 04/05, after he started off as a draw specialist and threw away many points, we had the best defence in the league for the 2nd half of the season. We weren't winning most of our big games but it was a big start. But people were calling for his head from the first season...and imagine if Moratti had followed along. And it was the same with Mourinho. People were calling for his removal when Man U knocked us out of the CL like we were a walkover. What if Moratti had listened? We can't be so knee-jerk and we can't always amplify the bad and risk throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Inter fans always want to change coach, pretty sure those wanting Allegri will be going all #Allegriout if he loses a couple of games lol.

 

[ToniSamp]

And despite being the youngest of the team, the most natural leader characteristics are displayed by this kid, who does this pretty much every game (and was same in Ajax and Holland NT), natural officer lol:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1347093429390618628

Good luck with trying to tell something to Bernardeschi. lol

 

[Osman]

Lol actually all last 3 times I seen him coaching a teammate on the pitch, has been to Bernardeschi Mark of a leader, doesnt give up even on the dumbasses.