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LONDON, Dec 28 (SW) - Premiership high-flyers Fulham have agreed a permanent deal with Arsenal for German full back Moritz Voltz. Voltz has been at Fulham on a season long loan from Arsenal at Loftus Road and has been an integral part in the Cottagers ascent to fifth in the Premiership.

Voltz has failed to break into Arsenal’s first team since his arrival at Highbury, but has been a regular fixture in Fulham manager Chris Coleman’s plans.

“We want to keep him and we’re very close to doing a permanent deal with Arsenal”, said Coleman. “Its just a case of agreeing personal terms with him.”
 

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i heard this the other day :(

i hope they pay us some money for him because he is top drawer,i'd hate to see us get ripped off:eek:

i think we are well sorted for right back,but Volz is a good player and we need the money :tongue:
 

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theres no way we'll know the price. probably be: "undisclosed"

however i would of like to see us keep him :eek:
 

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500K at least, and i'll be happy
 

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it's between 2 and 3 million pounds
 

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I feared this would happen...

We are in desperate need of a right back and don't have money to buy one...good decicion then to sell the only back-up we had...:rolleyes:

Well, this was one thing, but for the love of god get Pennant back before the same thing happens with him...
 

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£3m would be a good price. He could be worth twice that to Fulham, but half that to us.
 

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He has been playing very well and to be honest £3 million is a fair price. I would like to see us keep him. He is young and will get better and has a very high chance of breaking into the German team for WC 2006.

From Arsenal's point of view, Toure has played at right-back and was very good, then you have... umm... Keown? Cygan? I know they are central defenders but I am sure they'll play wee at right back. :tongue: Or you could move Wiltord there.

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             Lehmann
 Wiltord                A. Cole
         Toure Campbell
     Gilberto     Vieira
Ljungberg              Pires
         Henry  Bergkamp
:D
 

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:D :D :D

you are forgetting Ralph Lauren,also we have young injuries Hoyte and Garry ;) Senderos can play there as well if he ever gets fit.
 

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Raven said:

From Arsenal's point of view, Toure has played at right-back and was very good, then you have... umm... Keown? Cygan? I know they are central defenders but I am sure they'll play wee at right back. :tongue: Or you could move Wiltord there.
Man I hope your kidding with my main brain? :D

Martin Keown at right back?
Maybe once he could pull if off but he's too much of a central defender these days...
Pascal Cygan?
Dude, the man's left-footed...he can play left-defender though but seriously I dont want him there either, he's too slow. His place is in the middle.
Kolo Toure?
Yes he could and has played there BUT he's been suberb in the central-defence and to time after time force him to play at right defender wouldn't be good for him or Arsenal.
Sylvain Wiltord?
Yeah, that is a good solution actually. It's so good that we wouldn't only let in 5 goals more every game but would also get Sylvain even more pissed which would, and this is the best part, end up with him refusing to sign a new contract and make him the biggest cash-flop ever ;) hehe


No, we only have one right-back at the moment and that is Ralph Lauren ;) hehe

Im not sure how Ryan Garry would play but when he's back he deserves the chance. Justin Hoyte on the other hand I have big hopes for BUT he's still a bit too young...
 

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I was only joking about Wiltord and I didn't know Cygan was left footed. :tongue:

I don't like the fact that Arsenal only use youth talent in League Cup games when they have so much of it. If they want genuine, cheap quality players then there is nothing better than the youth system which isn't in use at Arsenal. The only decent youths you have are from abroad like Aliadiere and Fabregas. :(
 

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Bentley,Garry,Hoyte,Smith are all English,just a little young at the moment.

you have to remember that George Graham neglected our youth system,it has taken Wenger and Brady all these years to build it back up,it took Ferguson six years before he got his golden generation ;)

Bentley for sure will be an England player one day,i am certain of that ;)

you have to remember we have also produced Ricketts,Bothroyd and Sidwell who will all have good careers just not at the Arsenal.
 

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Well, I am one of fans who doesn't like it to be happen although I must admit that sooner or later this would happen no matter what. The fact is, currently Volz is more needed in Fulham and in Arsenal he still will be the member of our youth team. We have too many good young players (somebody correct my statement if I'm actually wrong). One characteristic of Arsenal that not many team has is, almost every member in our squad can play more than one role and most of them play it almost as consistent as their main position.

Another problem we have is we have too many central defenders. Campbell and Toure are our main starters. Cygan is a back-up, but recently has shown a drastic improvement and he seems to be no longer the Cygan we used to know. And we still have Senderos, a player who was hailed by many analysts to be the future world class defender. Also Ryan Garry who seems to be hot prospect as well. With all these players, we solved the problem by take the alternative to move Toure as right back and it works great as well. Not to mention, Keown the old butcher who is still effective to tame RVN. Now, with Lauren comes back from injury, there's simply no hope for Volz to claim his Gunners first-team spot at least until next year (unless it was Ralph that we sold).

Honestly, if I was Wenger, I'd never let Volz leave. It has been proven that he is our future right back, no matter how great Kolo Toure has performed. Because Kolo Toure is our future CB. Well, I never doubt Lauren's quality as our RB, but I just feel that he isn't actually that good in defending our right flank compare to Toure or Volz. Moving forward is good thing, but defensive job is the priority as full-back.

And the news that we are close in signing Yaya Toure is somewhat makes me nervous. He is another good prospect who can play even in larger choice of position, but we still don't know where to put him. Okay, losing Volz is okay this time, but I just hope that we won't lose Pennant next year as well, because I don't want to see us losing another good players that we have raised from youth team.
 

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I agree Zhuge,i'd love to see good youth players coming through,but it's so difficult,unless they stamp their quality immediately like Touré and Cole it is a dilemna :(

we have to win every game and only the true cream will rise to the top,i don't agree Volz is better than Lauren either in possession or defensively yet,he has bundles of potential but can he wait?

all i can say is Wenger hasn't let us down so far with the players released,Kolo is a mile better than Upson and others like Harper,Ricketts,Sidwell,Barrett,Gray,Black,Bothroyd are all not hunted by big clubs.

the deciding factor for Wenger for me between Volz and Hoyte is that Hoyte is English,Bentley has won a five year contract,that shows how highly Wenger rates him,keep the faith,trust Arséne. :cool:
 

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hows our youth goalkeepers
whats holloway upto?
 

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trust Arséne
that's it
just thrust Arsene
I never saw him wasted a promising talant
didn't you?

why he'll do now
 

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obviously the only ones Wenger has released are playing for less fashionable clubs. ;)

Upson,Boa Morte and perhaps Volz are the main contenders.


i got this off Arseweb,a list of loads of ex-youths released by Wenger,it doesn't include recent ones like Barrett and Brown,or the ones we got proper money for like Hughes,Black and Gray.




David Beale (1996-99)

Keeper who joined Arsenal as a trainee in 1996, but was released without being offered a pro contract in 1999. Last heard of on trial at Leyton Orient and Exeter City in the summer of 1999.

Michael Black (1993-99)

1 appearance (Europe, champions' league, sub)
Joined Arsenal as a trainee in 1993, gaining a pro contract in 1997. His one senior appearance for Arsenal came as sub in the irrelevant Champions League game at Panathinaikos at the end of the Gunners' 1998 European campaign. After loan spells at Brentford and Millwall in the 97/98 season, he moved to Tranmere on a free transfer in July 1999. Made sporadic appearances in 18 months at Tranmere, before going on loan and eventually permanently to Southend in January 2001 where he has made regular appearances.

Danny Boateng (1997-99)

Trainee at Arsenal between 1997 and 1999, released without being offered a contract. Moved to Leicester City for the 1999/2000 season, playing for the U19s before making several appearances for the reserves early in the 2000/2001 season. Joined Billericay Town in November 2000 after being released by Leicester, and then moved on to Grays Athletic in March 2001.

Jay Bothroyd (1998-2000)

England schoolboy and U18 international who joined Arsenal as a trainee in 1998, but was transfer-listed and sent to Coventry at the end of the 1999/2000 season following a well documented show of dissent after being substituted during the Academy League U19 playoff final. Coventry paid £1m for him, and he made a few first team appearances for the Sky Blues in the 2000/01 season.

Terry Bowes (1996-98)

Trainee at Arsenal for 2/3 years before being released in the summer of 1998. Went on to join Ipswich, but was released by them in 1999 without making a senior appearance. Had a trial for Waterford United at the start of the 99/00 season, now playing for Chesham United in the Ryman League.

Leon Britton (1998/99)

England schoolboy international who was a trainee for a year at Arsenal before being lured to West Ham. A tribunal ordered the Hammers to pay £400000, possibly rising to £1.5m depending on appearances.

Lee Canoville (1997-2001)

1 appearance (Worthington cup, sub)
Joined Arsenal as a trainee from Millwall in , gaining a pro contract in 1998. His one senior appearance for Arsenal was in the Worthington Cup match against Ipswich in 2000, when he came on for the last 16 minutes. He went on loan to Northampton Town for a month in the 2000/2001 season, making 2 appearances for them, before being released by Arsenal in the summer of 2001. Signed for Torquay United in September 2001 on a non-contract basis.

Peter Clarke (1996-98)

Moved to Carlisle United when he was released by Arsenal in April 1998. Played regularly for the Cumbrians over 2 seasons before moving to Stockport County in the summer of 2000 for £75000, where he has since been a regular.


Clayden Cowell (1996-98)

Reported to have moved to Ipswich Town when he was released by Arsenal at the end of the 97/98 season.

Jason Crowe (1995-99)

3 appearances (2 league cup sub, 1 FA cup sub)
Made 3 substitute appearances for Arsenal, 1 in the FA cup, and 2 in the League cup (the first being notable for being the shortest in the club's history - he was sent off after just 33 seconds). Had a short loan spell at Crystal Palace during the 98/99 season before being transferred to Portsmouth in July 1999 for £1m. Still at Pompey and appearing regularly, though he also had a loan spell at Brentford early in the 2000/2001 season.

Jamie Day (1996-1999)

Joined Arsenal as a trainee in 1996, earned a pro contract in 1998, but was transferred to Bournemouth in March 1999 for £20000. Never quite established in the first team but made 20+ appearances for the Cherries before being released and signing for Dover City in July 2001.

Lee Doherty (1997-99)

Moved to Charlton in November 1998, but never made a senior appearance for them before being transferred to Brighton 4 months later. Made 3 appearances for the Seagulls but moved on again after only 2 months, and has seems to have since led an itinerant footballing existence, playing in turn for Chesham United, Crawley Town, Wealdstone, Ware, Bishops Stortford, St Albans and Grays Athletic, before re-signing for Crawley in April 2001.

David Donaldson (1995-97)

Moved to Bradford City in the summer of 1997, but never made a senior appearance for the Bantams before being released by them in September 1999. Subsequently played at neighbours Bradford Park Avenue, spending a short spell on loan at Guiseley in Dec 2000. Moved to Gresley Rovers in March 2001, and then to Harrogate Town in August 2001.

Andrew Douglas (1996-98)

Spent two season at Sheffield Wednesday after leaving Arsenal, but never made a first team appearance before moving on to Stevenage Town in November 2000. Now playing for Grays Athletic. Apparently appeared on Channel 4's Shipwrecked II 'reality TV' programme.

Tommy English (1998-2000)

Joined Arsenal from Norwich in 1998, released in summer 2000. Now believed to be playing in Singapore.

Keith Fahey (1998-2000)

Irish U16 international who joined Arsenal in 1998, but moved to Aston Villa in 2000, reportedly disillusioned with the lack of opportunities at Arsenal. Played on occasion for the Villa reserves in the 2000/2001 season.

Declan Field (1998-2000)

Another Irish youth international, released in summer 2000, reportedly going to Celtic. However joined Leicester City in late 2000, making a few reserve appearances in the 2000/2001 season. Apparently released at the end of the season, and had a seemingly unsuccessful trial at Stoke City in May 2001.

Niccolo Galli (1999-2001)

Signed from Fiorentina in 1999, went back to Italy, on loan to Bologna for the 2000/01 season. Tragically killed in a road traffic accident in Italy, in Februay 2001.

Stefan Gislasson (1996-97)

Iceland youth international, joined Arsenal from Eskifjordur. Released by Arsenal and in 1997 and believed to have returned to Iceland. Moved to Stroemsgodset in Norway in 1999, playing regularly for the first team.

Valur Gislasson (1996-98)

Older brother of Stefan, also Iceland youth international, joined Arsenal in 1996 from Fram of Reykjavik. Released by Arsenal and joined Norwegian club Stroemsgodset in Jan 1998. Rejoined Fram in Iceland for the 1999/2000 season, and now the club captain and a full international.

James Harper (1997-2001)

Joined Arsenal as a trainee in 1997, awarded a professional contract in 2000. Had a loan spell at Cardiff City in Dec/Jan 2000/01 before being permanently transferred to Reading in February 2001 for an undisclosed 6 figure sum. Now established in the Reading midfield.

Willie Huck (1998/99)

Joined Arsenal from Monaco in November 1998, but was transferred to Bournemouth 4 months later for a fee of £50000. Made regular appearances for the south coast side without fully establishing himself in the first eleven.

Richard Hughes (1997/98)

The first and most successful member of Bournemouth's collection of ex-Arsenal youth players. Hughes joined Arsenal from Italian side Atalanta in August 1997, but moved to Bournemouth a year later on a free transfer. Well established in the first team, and now a Scotland u21 international.

Israel (1999-2001)

Brasilian who joined Arsenal as a trainee in 1999, gaining a pro contract in 2000, before being released a year later. Current whereabouts unknown, presumably returned to Brasil.

Cedric Itonga (1999-2000)

Joined Arsenal as a trainee at the same time as his cousin Carlin, but released after a year. Last heard of playing on trial for Bury in March 2001.

Greg Lincoln (1996-2001)

Joined Arsenal as a trainee in 1996, gaining a pro contract in 1998. Never made a senior appearance for Arsenal, though did make the bench in a couple of Worthington Cup and Champions League games. Released by Arsenal in the summer of 2001, apparently now at Torquay United on a non-contract basis.

David Livermore (1996-1999)

Joined Arsenal as a trainee in 1996, earned a pro contract in 1998 before joining Millwall in September 1999, intially on loan, then permanently for a fee reported to be £30000. Now fully established as part of Millwall's defence, in their promotion winning season of 2000/01.


Rik Lopez (1996-1997)

Joined Arsenal as a trainee in 1996, but was released in the summer of 1997 having made only 7 youth team appearances. Joined QPR in 1997, playing for their youth & reserve teams before being released in the summer of 2000. Moved on to Watford, but was released by them in the summer of 2001. Had a trial at Colchester United in the 2001 pre-season, but now playing for Bristol Rovers on a monthly contract.

James McDonald (1996-2000)

Scottish schoolboy international defender who was given a pro contract in 1997 but subsequently suffered a cruciate ligament injury which blighted the rest of his time at Arsenal. Released in the summer of 2000.

Allan McLeod (1996-2000)

Locally born fullback who joined Arsenal as a trainee in 1996, and was awarded a pro contract in 1999, before being released in the summer of 2000. Hade a trial at Clyde in August 2001, but now apparently at Grays Athletic.

Jehad Muntasser (1997-98)

1 appearance (league cup, sub)
Joined Arsenal from Italian club Prosesto in 1997, made a 1 brief first team appearance for Arsenal in the Worthington cup before being transferred to Bristol City in January 1998. Released by them at the end of the 98/99 season without making a senior appearance and returned to Italy with serie B side Empoli. Moved to Perugia in November 1999, spent some time on loan to Viterbese (Perugia's feeder club), and then moved on to Catania (serie C1/B) for the 2000/2001 season. Now a full Libyan international.

Bernard Narada (1999/2000)

Signed from Tottenham on a 1 year professional contract in the summer of 1999, but was released and moved to Bournemouth a year later. Has recently made regular starting or substitute appearances in the Cherries defence.

Guillaume Norbert (1997-2000)

Arsenal's first French trainee, joining in 1997, awarded a pro contract in 1999, released in the summer of 2000. Went to Reading on a one month trial contract in Dec 2000, but wasn't kept on. Signed for newly promoted French 1st division side Lorient in the summer of 2001.

Nando Perna (1996-98)

Trainee who joined Arsenal in 1996 and was released in 1998 without being offered a pro contract. Had trials at Wycombe and Kingstonian, before going to Brackley. Spent some time at Aylesbury United at the start of the 1999/2000 season before establishing himself at Thame United, being a first team regular during the 2000/2001 season. Signed for Bedford Town in June 2001.

Paul Read (1991-97)

Joined Arsenal as a trainee in 1991, but his professional career at the Gunners was blighted by injury. Spent loan periods at Leyton Orient and Southend in 1995, before siging for Wycombe Wanders in January 1997 for £35000. After 2 years and over 60 appearances he was released by Wycombe at the end of the 98/99 season. Had a brief spell with Ostersunds FK in Sweden in the summer of 1999 before returning to make one appearance for Luton as a non-contract player. Had a brief trial with Sheffield United before eventually signing for Exeter City in November 2000 where he has since made 10+ appearances in the 2000/2001 season.

Omer Riza (1996-99)

1 appearance (sub, league cup)
Joined Arsenal as a trainee in 1996, earned a pro contract in 1998, made first team appearance in the Coca Cola cup at Derby in Oct 1998, coming on as sub in the 90th minute, thus earning the record for the shortest Arsenal first team career. After 3 months on loan to Den Haag in Holland at the end of the 98/99 season, transferred to West Ham for a nominal fee in December 1999. Yet to make a senior appearance for the Hammers but spent 2 months on loan at Barnet in Nov/Dec 2000, and the last 3 months of the 2000/2001 season on loan at Cambridge United.



Matthew Wicks (1996-98)

Rejoined Arsenal as a trainee in 1996, having briefly been poached by Manchester United, for which the Old Trafford club were ordered to pay compensation. Given a pro contract in 1997 but released by Arsenal in the summer of 1998. Signed by Crewe at the start of the 98/99 season but made just 7 appearances before moving to Peterborough United in March 1999. Made 30+ appearances for the Posh before going on loan to Brighton at the start of the 2000/2001 season, and eventually signing permanently for the Seagulls in October 2000.



there's some decent players,some so so,but i can't see many coming back to haunt us :tongue:
 

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nice work Jern
but I said a PROMISING TALENT

is anyone of them a PROMISING TALENT

NO ONE OF COURSE

even Upson and Boa Morte
they are not good enough to play for ARSENAL

maybe they are very good in Bermingham or in Fulham

but in ARSENAL when we always seek the winning
when we always in the TITLES RACE
NO, no place for them here

our level is ABOVE them
so why we keep them

that's the point
 

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I agree there are no-one who would make our team,who is good as the current first eleven.;)

Upson v Cygan is debateable and many would say Upson is better,but if he is, there's not much in it,and i believe Upson wanted regular football,so was released to help his career. :cool:

If Upson had of been at Kolo's level,he would never have been released,i am sure of that. :cool:
 
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