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Anyone who is interested in Ski-jumping on here?

I am, and on monday the "Vierschanzentournee" is gonna start again, the first games shall be in Oberstdorf (29-12), then Garmisch-Partenkirchen (1-1), Innsbruck (4-1) and Bischofshofen (6-1).

Favourites for this year are Ahonen, Hannawald, Schmitt, Malysz, Ljoekelsoey and maybe Hautemaeki I think.
Only Dutch participant, Oliver Kreuzer, can be happy if he can qualify for only one match.

Schattenbergschanze (Oberstdorf):


Große Olympiaschanze (Garmisch):


Bergisel-Schanze (Innsbruck):


Paul-Ausserleitner-Schanze (Bischofshofen):


"Die Tournee ist das Topereignis der Skispringer. Zehntausende Fans, spektakuläre Aktion, Spannung pur, wenn die Vierschanzen-Tournee läuft, dann werden alle anderen Wintersport- Events zur Nebensache!!!"
 

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Yes, yes, yes!!! :) One of the sports higlights of the year.

You had some Austrian dude jumping for Holland the last few years, but I can't remember his name...

As for the favourites:
Schmitt - no way in his current form
I agree on the rest, maybe add two or three Austrians (Höllwarth, Widhölzl, Goldberger).
A huge question mark is Morgenstern, who I would rate as one of the top favourites until his accident, now it will of course depend on how soon (and if) he can find back his form.

I'd bet my money on Ahonen.
 

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i love ski jumping too. hard to say anything because almost no competitions untill now finished regularly for the wheather circumstances. but i think, the norwegians will be awesome this season and i hope my Slovenians can do something.;)
 

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I'm another Ski-jumping fanatic here :).

Although I'm Czech I support Fins and Norwegians. My favourites are Peterssen, Ingebrigtsen, Hautamaeki brothers and all others...


Btw I would prefer another hills for such an important event. But I know it's about money and also important is to have all places near.
 

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MxPx said:
You had some Austrian dude jumping for Holland the last few years, but I can't remember his name...
It was Ingemar Mayr, but he retired, he wants to more time for his study while he wasn't good enough in Ski-jumping...

How do you think about Ljoekelsoey?
He's leader in the World Cup if I'm right...

And indeed, I forgot Höllwarth ;), and maybe Widhölzl and Goldberger...

Who's jumping for Cezch Rep. and Slovenia?
Janda for the Czechs and for Slovenia I dunno, is Peterka from Slovenia or Slovakia?
 

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Peterka is slovenian. For Slovak rep, there is Mesik for ages, very average. Slovenians have Zonta, Fras, Peterka, Kranjec, Benkoviè or Lang and I don't know. Czech team is stronger than last 3 years but it's not a group of Champions. Really good is only Janda but ex-nordic-combination Matura or young Mazoch are ready.
 

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Bresciano said:
Peterka is slovenian. For Slovak rep, there is Mesik for ages, very average. Slovenians have Zonta, Fras, Peterka, Kranjec, Benkoviè or Lang and I don't know.
thanx. i couldn't explain it better. Peterka is the former worldchampion. He won the world cup twice and couldn't deal with all the success and money at young age. he felt into a deep crysis, but he managed to come back. not as good as in his best years, but good enough. He won Bischofshofen last year.;)

Kranjec had a very good season two years ago and he's actually the one, from whom we may expect good jumps in the future.

Zonta seems to be in the best form right now and i hope, he will keep that during the next 10 days.:)

Ski jumps have long tradition in Slovenia and we host also the competition in ski flying in Planica - the last competition of the season.
 

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I love ski jumping. Yea go Australia :p
although i dont any "famous" names i'll try watch it anyway
 

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Oberstdorf

Finally it's time again for the most prestigous competition of the season in ski jumping. Qualifications today had been very interesting and tomorrow on the first ski jump in Oberstdorf the following jumpers qualified. they'll be jumping in pairs and the winning one of each pair will jump in the final:

01. Morgenstern (Aus) - Koch (Aus)
02. Kokkonen (Fin) - Küttel (Sui)
03. Ammann (Sui) - Liegl (Aus)
04. Tajner (Pol) - Herr (Ger)
05. Yamada (Jap) - Ritzerfeld (Ger)
06. Bardal (Nor) - Späth (Ger)
07. Kornilov (Rus) - Mechler (Ger)
08. Benkovic (Slo) - Ingebrigtsen (Nor)
09. Ipatov (Rus) - Bystoel (Nor)
10. Peterka (Slo) - Žonta (Slo)
11. Lappi (Fin) - Kofler (Aus)
12. Kranjec (Slo) - Schmitt (Ger)
13. Schwarzenberger (Aus) - Hautamaeki (Fin)
14. Mesik (Slk) - Romoeren (Nor)
15. Happonen (Fin) - Ljoekelsoey (Nor)
16. Janda (cze) - Widhhölzl (Aus)
17. Golberger (Aus) - Hannawald (Ger)
18. Solem (Nor) - Lindström (Fin)
19. Jones (USA) - Kasai (Jap)
20. Erikson (Swe) - Kiuru (Fin)
21. Hocke (Ger) - Uhrmann (Ger)
22. Chedal (Fra) - Höllwarth (Aus)
23. Matura (Cze) - Malysz (Pol)
24. Hautamaeki (Fin) - Ahonen (Fin)
25. Fras (Slo) - Pettersen (Nor)
 

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Sigurd rules! That's perfect. What a hill record in quali.

Tommy also very well. I'm very hopeful.

Here are all the pairs for tomorrow:

26. Thomas Morgenstern AUT - 25. Martin Koch AUT
27. Akseli Kokkonen FIN - 24. Andreas Kuettel SUI
28. Simon Ammann SUI - 23. Florian Liegl AUT
29. Wojciech Tajner POL - 22. Alexander Herr GER
30. Hiroki Yamada JPN - 21. Joerg Ritzerfeld GER
31. Anders Bardal NOR - 20. Georg Spaeth GER
32. Denis Kornilow RUS - 19. Maximilian Mechler GER
33. Rok Benkovic SLO - 18. Tommy Ingebrigtsen NOR
34. Dimitrij Ipatow RUS - 17. Lars Bystoel NOR
35. Primoz Peterka SLO - 16. Peter Zonta SLO
36. Arttu Lappi FIN - 15. Andreas Kofler AUT
37. Robert Kranjec SLO - 14. Martin Schmitt GER
38. R. Schwarzenberger AUT - 13. Matti Hautamaeki FIN
39. Martin Mesik SVK - 12. Bjoern Einar Romoeren NOR
40. Janne Happonen FIN - 11. Roar Ljoekelsoey NOR
41. Jakub Janda CZE - 10. Andreas Widhoelzl AUT
42. Andreas Goldberger AUT - 9. Sven Hannawald GER
43. Morten Solem NOR - 8. Veli-Matti Lindstroem FIN
44. Clint Jones USA - 7. Noriaki Kasai JPN
45. Johan Erikson SWE - 6. Tami Kiuru FIN
46. Stephan Hocke GER - 5. Michael Uhrmann GER
47. Emmanuel Chedal FRA - 4. Martin Hoellwarth AUT
48. Jan Matura CZE - 3. Adam Malysz POL
49. Jussi Hautamaeki FIN - 2. Janne Ahonen FIN
50. Damjan Fras SLO - 1. Sigurd Pettersen NOR

Sigurd, Tommy... :star:!
 

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1st heat:
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1. Sigurd Pettersen NOR          140,9 133,0 
2. Rok Benkovic SLO              140,8 133,5 
3. Thomas Morgenstern AUT        139,5 132,5 
4. Georg Späth GER               132,0 129,0 
5. Michael Uhrmann GER           130,8 128,5 
. Peter Zonta SLO                130,8 128,5 
7. Martin Höllwarth AUT          127,2 126,5 
. Andreas Kofler AUT             127,2 126,5 
9. Roar Ljökelsöy NOR            125,4 125,5 
10. Lars Bystöl NOR              124,8 126,0 
11. Noriaki Kasai JPN            123,6 124,5 
12. Tami Kiuru FIN               122,1 124,5 
. Tommy Ingebrigtsen * NOR       122,1 124,5 
. Maximilian Mechler GER         122,1 124,5 
15. Janne Ahonen FIN             121,8 123,5 
16. Alexander Herr GER           121,3 123,5 
17. Simon Ammann SUI             120,8 123,5 
18. Sven Hannawald GER           120,3 123,5 
19. Akseli Kokkonen FIN          117,6 122,0 
20. Florian Liegl * AUT          117,1 122,0 
21. Adam Malysz POL              116,7 121,5 
22. Andreas Küttel * SUI         115,8 121,0 
23. Stephan Hocke * GER          115,3 121,0 
24. Dimitrij Ipatow * RUS        114,9 120,5 
25. Andreas Widhölzl AUT         114,0 120,0 
. Björn Einar Romören NOR        114,0 120,0 
27. Morten Solem NOR             112,2 119,0 
28. Hiroki Yamada JPN            108,1 117,0 
29. Martin Schmitt GER           102,6 114,5 
30. Reinhard Schwarzenberger AUT 101,7 114,0 

* = Lucky Loser
Shock exit for Matti Hautamäki and Lindström, also Goldberger out. :(

Great jumps from the young guns Morgenstern and Benkovic, I always knew it. ;) And Pettersen looks like the favourite now.
 

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First 25 jumpers had much better wind conditions so that's why Ljoeklsoey or Ahonen aren't higher.

Pettersen - no comment, true hero :strong:.
Ingebrigtsen - He was lucky with the wind because he made a mistake in he air which costed IMO at least 5 meters. But still long enough.
Uhrmann - look at his jump again. It was 127 or 127,5 but no 128,5. The power of money. And have you seen replay of Morgenstern, Benkovic and Pettersen jump? Sigurd' was IMO 1 meter longer than Benkovic' but the officials say

Benkovic - 133,5
Pettersen - 133

Well, forget and enjoy.


NORWAY rules!
 

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Magnificent Sigurd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What an unbeliveable flight!!!!!!!!

:star: :star: :strong: :strong: :star: :star: :strong: :strong:

143,5 metres and 22,5 pts advantage!
(Hill record was 134 from yesterday quali (Sigurd) and today in training 140 by Morg. - unofficial)


My god that was a good jump by Sigurd!



1. Pettersen :strong:
2. Morgenstern
3. Höllwarth

Not bad Tommy who flied much better in the second round. Norway on their way!
 

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Code:
1. Sigurd Pettersen NOR          295,2 133,0/143,5 
2. Thomas Morgenstern AUT        272,7 132,5/129,0 
3. Martin Höllwarth AUT          269,1 126,5/133,0 
4. Michael Uhrmann GER           267,9 128,5/132,0 
5. Noriaki Kasai JPN             261,8 124,5/131,5 
6. Rok Benkovic SLO              261,6 133,5/123,5 
7. Georg Späth GER               261,3 129,0/127,0 
8. Tommy Ingebrigtsen NOR        260,2 124,5/132,0 
9. Roar Ljökelsöy NOR            254,4 125,5/127,5 
. Adam Malysz POL                254,4 121,5/131,5 
11. Peter Zonta SLO              253,8 128,5/125,0 
12. Tami Kiuru FIN               252,0 124,5/128,0 
13. Janne Ahonen FIN             249,0 123,5/126,5 
14. Simon Ammann SUI             248,9 123,5/127,0 
15. Maximilian Mechler GER       247,9 124,5/126,0 
16. Akseli Kokkonen FIN          245,7 122,0/127,0 
17. Björn Einar Romören NOR      244,9 120,0/128,0 
18. Sven Hannawald GER           242,9 123,5/124,5 
19. Andreas Küttel SUI           242,5 121,0/126,5 
20. Andreas Kofler AUT           239,9 126,5/119,0 
21. Lars Bystöl NOR              236,1 126,0/118,5 
22. Stephan Hocke GER            231,1 121,0/121,0 
23. Morten Solem NOR             230,7 119,0/122,5 
24. Alexander Herr GER           230,3 123,5/117,5 
25. Florian Liegl AUT            229,3 122,0/119,0 
26. Andreas Widhölzl AUT         222,0 120,0/117,5 
27. Martin Schmitt GER           219,3 114,5/121,5 
28. Hiroki Yamada JPN            218,5 117,0/118,0 
29. Reinhard Schwarzenberger AUT 213,4 114,0/119,0 
30. Dimitri Ipatow RUS           212,1 120,5/111,5
Ok, favourites have been reduced to 1. :tongue: Great performance by Pettersen, but also Morgenstern, what a comeback!

Next is Garmisch in 2 days.
 

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Ujjj, Pettersen looked even more than great today. too bad, Rok Benkovic couldn't jump as far as in the first try, but good enough.;)
 

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What a great last jump from Pettersen :eek:!!! :strong:

Can anyone give me more info about Benkovic? Didn't even know him before yesterday to be honest...

Should Pettersen be able to continue this form?
It was great to see the Norwegian party after Pettersen's jump!
 

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Benkovic is slovenian supertalent- 17 years old as I know. He had few impressive results last season but especially he was one of the best in summer GP. Wasn't he third? I'm not sure.

Norwegian party- yeah! I liked it. But the best ever was the party of Switzerland after Ammann' jump in Salt Lake City! That really was superb.

What a pity that Kranjec is always so low, he's good in the air.

The opposite problem has Malysz or Yamada- they're hight enough but can't fly that well.
 
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