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As in June, 6th 2005:

(Taken from planetworldcup.com)


P W D L Gls Pts
1.Argentina 14 8 4 2 24-14 28
2.Brazil 14 7 6 1 25-13 27
3.Ecuador 14 7 2 5 21-15 23
4.Paraguay 14 5 4 5 17-21 19
5.Colombia 14 4 5 5 17-12 17
6.Chile 14 4 5 5 15-15 17
7.Uruguay 14 4 5 5 19-26 17
8.Venezuela 14 4 3 7 15-21 15
9.Peru 14 3 5 6 15-21 14
10.Bolivia 14 4 1 9 16-26 13

Matches completed: Round 14

[ Round 1-6 | Round 7-12 | Round 13-18 ]


Remaining fixtures:

7 June 2005 Chile - Venezuela
Peru - Uruguay
Paraguay - Bolivia
Colombia - Ecuador
Argentina - Brazil

3 September 2005 Uruguay - Colombia
Brazil - Chile
Bolivia - Ecuador
Paraguay - Argentina
Venezuela - Peru

8 October 2005 Argentina - Peru
Bolivia - Brazil
Ecuador - Uruguay
Colombia - Chile
Venezuela - Paraguay

11 October 2005 Uruguay - Argentina
Brazil - Venezuela
Paraguay - Colombia
Chile - Ecuador
Peru - Bolivia
 

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Most Optimistic Prediction:

Right now the table looks like this:

P W D L Gls Pts
1.Argentina 14 8 4 2 24-14 28
2.Brazil 14 7 6 1 25-13 27
3.Ecuador 14 7 2 5 21-15 23
4.Paraguay 14 5 4 5 17-21 19
5.Colombia 14 4 5 5 17-12 17
6.Chile 14 4 5 5 15-15 17
7.Uruguay 14 4 5 5 19-26 17
8.Venezuela 14 4 3 7 15-21 15
9.Peru 14 3 5 6 15-21 14
10.Bolivia 14 4 1 9 16-26 13

Now, if we're VERY optimistic:

7 June 2005
Chile 1 - Venezuela 1
Peru 1 - Uruguay 2
Paraguay 3 - Bolivia 1
Colombia 1 - Ecuador 1
Argentina 2 - Brazil 1

P W D L Gls Pts
1.Argentina 15 9 4 2 26-15 31
2.Brazil 15 7 6 2 26-15 27
3.Ecuador 15 7 3 5 22-16 24
4.Paraguay 15 6 4 5 20-22 22
5.Uruguay 15 5 5 5 21-27 20
6.Colombia 15 4 6 5 18-13 18
7.Chile 15 4 6 5 16-16 18
8.Venezuela 15 4 4 7 16-22 16
9.Peru 15 3 5 7 16-23 14
10.Bolivia 15 4 1 10 17-29 13

3 September 2005
Uruguay 1 - Colombia 2
Brazil 4 - Chile 1
Bolivia 1 - Ecuador 2
Paraguay 1 - Argentina 1
Venezuela 3 - Peru 1

P W D L Gls Pts
1.Argentina 16 9 5 2 27-16 32
2.Brazil 16 8 6 2 30-16 30
3.Ecuador 16 8 3 5 24-17 27
4.Paraguay 16 6 5 5 21-23 23
5.Colombia 16 5 6 5 20-14 21
6.Uruguay 16 5 5 6 22-29 20
7.Venezuela 16 5 4 7 19-23 19
8.Chile 16 4 6 6 17-20 18
9.Peru 16 3 5 8 17-26 14
10.Bolivia 16 4 1 11 18-32 13

8 October 2005
Argentina 3 - Peru 0
Bolivia 1 - Brazil 2
Ecuador 3 - Uruguay 1
Colombia 1 - Chile 1
Venezuela 2 - Paraguay 1

P W D L Gls Pts
1.Argentina 17 10 5 2 30-16 35
2.Brazil 17 9 6 2 30-16 33
3.Ecuador 17 9 3 5 27-18 30
4.Paraguay 17 6 5 6 22-25 23
5.Colombia 17 5 7 5 21-15 22
6.Venezuela 17 6 4 7 21-24 22
7.Uruguay 17 5 5 7 23-32 20
8.Chile 17 4 7 6 18-21 19
9.Peru 17 3 5 9 17-29 14
10.Bolivia 17 4 1 12 19-34 13

11 October 2005
Uruguay 1 - Argentina 1
Brazil 3 - Venezuela 0
Paraguay 1 - Colombia 0
Chile 2 - Ecuador 1
Peru 1 - Bolivia 0

P W D L Gls Pts
1.Brazil 18 10 6 2 33-16 36
2.Argentina 18 10 6 2 31-17 36
3.Ecuador 18 9 3 6 28-20 30
4.Paraguay 18 7 5 6 23-25 26
5.Colombia 18 5 7 6 21-16 22
6.Chile 18 5 7 6 20-22 22
7.Venezuela 18 6 4 8 21-27 22
8.Uruguay 18 5 6 7 24-33 21
9.Peru 18 4 5 9 18-29 17
10.Bolivia 18 4 1 13 19-35 13

Nah! we're out. :frownani: Our only hope is to defeat Chile away or some miracle draw or something against Brazil.
 

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Thanks Rey/Cichero, great job on marking Forlan!!!! :mad: As always, Arango had to make things happen.

BTW, we got some really nice kits now.
 

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The new kits totally SUCK! They look like training shirts or some 2nd division team uniform. They're not even vinotinto. They're freakin' RED! They were ordered to be made by Chávez. :yuck:

Let's see if Páez giving orders through the walkie-talkie gives us luck again.
 

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I don't see why you can beat Chilie. Their home record is almost as bad as yours.

Plus when you play Brasil they will be safely qualified, so a point their isn't out of the question. You really should have beat us thow.
 

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Sebastian50 said:
I don't see why you can beat Chilie. Their home record is almost as bad as yours.

Plus when you play Brasil they will be safely qualified, so a point their isn't out of the question. You really should have beat us thow.
that's actually what annoys me right now. Colombia has already played with Argentina and Brasil the "ida" y "vuelta" and from those 4 games we achieved 2 points... now the rest of the teams will played with a "B" Argentina and Brasil :cry: !! let's see how things go...I'm waitng for a couple of draws.
 

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5.Colombia 18 5 7 6 21-16 22
6.Chile 18 5 7 6 20-22 22
7.Venezuela 18 6 4 8 21-27 22
this portion of your supposed table is flawed. According to the results (actual and proposed), if these three countries were to finish up with the same amount of points the next criteria for a tie break is not point differential but points amongst the countries tied in points.

Colombia 0:1 Venezuela
Venezuela 0:0 Colombia
Venezuela 0:1 Chile
Chile 0:0 Colombia.
(proposed by latin lover)
Chile 1:1 Venezuela
Colombia 1:1 Chile

Chile 6 points.
Venezuela 5 points.
Colombia 3 points.

Thus your proposed table at the end of competition would look like this:

P W D L Gls Pts
1.Brazil 18 10 6 2 33-16 36
2.Argentina 18 10 6 2 31-17 36
3.Ecuador 18 9 3 6 28-20 30
4.Paraguay 18 7 5 6 23-25 26
5.Chile 18 5 7 6 20-22 22
6.Venezuela 18 6 4 8 21-27 22
7.Colombia 18 5 7 6 21-16 22
8.Uruguay 18 5 6 7 24-33 21
9.Peru 18 4 5 9 18-29 17
10.Bolivia 18 4 1 13 19-35 13

In all accounts, Venezuela would be out.
 

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Sebastian50 said:
I don't see why you can beat Chilie. Their home record is almost as bad as yours.

Plus when you play Brasil they will be safely qualified, so a point their isn't out of the question. You really should have beat us thow.
hehehehehe Dreamer .... All because they whipped your Celeste:ass: in Montefideo .... now they have to beat Chile at home ????? hehehehehehe We even beat them in Venezuela and Pinilla had a ball (Or two to show) :dielaugh: there ..

Chile in CRUTCHES wins in Santiago !!! Guaranteed ... Get ready for a Trip to Australia again....then maybe that wont even happen !!!

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I'll keep my mouth shut. I'll speak after the game. Right now, all the options are open.
 

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7/6/05 Update

Perú 0 - Uruguay 0

This is how the table looks now:

P W D L Gls Pts
1.Argentina 14 8 4 2 24-14 28
2.Brazil 14 7 6 1 25-13 27
3.Ecuador 14 7 2 5 21-15 23
4.Paraguay 14 5 4 5 17-21 19
5.Uruguay 15 4 6 5 19-26 18
6.Colombia 14 4 5 5 17-12 17
7.Chile 14 4 5 5 15-15 17
8.Venezuela 14 4 3 7 15-21 15
9.Peru 15 3 6 6 15-21 15
10.Bolivia 14 4 1 9 16-26 13
 

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Our probable lineup

Dudamel; De Ornelas, Rey, Cichero, Jonay Hernandez; Varilla Gozalez, Leo Jimenez/Cesar Gonzalez, Urdaneta, Arango; Moran, Casseres
 

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Chile 2 - Venezuela 1

It's over. :frownani:
 

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Chile should have scored 2 or 3 more goals according to Acosta .. (Por su parte, el DT de Chile Nelson Acosta afirmó que "se cumplió, pero me quedo con un sabor amargo, porque en los primeros 15 minutos del segundo tiempo teníamos que haber hecho dos o tres goles y se terminaba el partido".)

Of course..without Chamagol....Navia...Pinilla, Tapia..Quinteros....Salas ...What can you Xpect from a Team WITHOUT true Strikers ??? Get a life Mr Acosta..You SUCK !!!
 

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9/6/05

P W D L Gls Pts
1.Argentina 15 9 4 2 27-15 31
2.Brazil 15 7 6 2 26-16 27
3.Ecuador 15 7 2 6 21-18 23
4.Paraguay 15 6 4 5 21-22 22
5.Colombia 15 5 5 5 20-12 20
6.Chile 15 5 5 5 17-16 20
7.Uruguay 15 4 6 5 19-26 18
8.Peru 15 3 6 6 15-21 15
9.Venezuela 15 4 3 8 16-23 15
10.Bolivia 15 4 1 10 17-30 13

No hope at all unless we beat Brazil.

This is bitter. Venezuela has been eliminated before, but not with posibilities like now, not with illusion, not with the people following the team every game.

It sucks to have your team eliminated from the World Cup. :frownani:
 

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Voy con la camisa negra
porque negra tengo el alma
Voy con la camisa negra
y abajo cargo el difunto

:frownani:
 

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This is crap :yuck: Not only we go out, but we do so playing a horrible game. Something has to change, and quickly.
 

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Well...All is not lost..Specially the HONOR.....3 games are left and Venezuela can at LEAST benefit by playing their :heart:'s out in Sept and Oct. :cap:
 

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Actually, we still have mathematical chances if we win the 3 games we have left INCLUDING the one against Brazil IN BRAZIL and if a strange combination of results makes Colombia or Uruguay (or both) to finish even on points with us in the 5th place. In that case, the personal aggregate against any of them would make us go to the playoff against the aussies.

...Nah, forget it!
 

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Better look forward to the Copa America ;)
 
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