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Okay!

As wonderful as our victory is, we still have more miracles to make!

Germany has one of the world's best goalies, as well as the tournament's leading scorer in Klose. Their main man is midfielder, Ballack, who is still playing and nurturing a slight injury.

This is the team that trounced us last month in Germany, but Paraguay almost suffocated them with a bunker defense.

Should we use the same lineup and tactics as we have used against Mexico? McBride probably won't be as effective against these big Germans!
 

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We can predict all we want about the lineup against Germany, but Arena has been consistent about doing the unexpected with his players and I think the same thing will happen against Germany. I just hope he keeps Reyna out of the middle.
 

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I don't think that any changes are really needed, other than using Beasley in place of Eddie Lewis.

And I think Arena may start Llamosa:confused:, but it is just a hunch. I will predict a 1-0 win in sudden death;). I think the defense can neutralize Klose, and I am not afraid of Jacncker:D
 

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One German radio already predicts a 5-0 rout for their side! :eek:

Yep! What we really need is for the Germans to take us lightly! We are not good like France and Argentina!!
 

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I go with the Gringos as Osf calls them ... In the Penalty Kicks...

And let the Germans take the game lightly, its only to the US advantage for them to believe that .

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I was impressed with the USA's strong display against Mexico, thoroughly out-smarting them for a well-deserved win. I think the USA can beat Germany, especially if players like O'Brien, McBride, Beasley and Donovan are all on song.

Germany aren't what they used to be, and in fact against Paraguay (who were very, very poor) they were unconvincing. Apart from their 8-0 win over Saudi Arabia which was basically like a training match, they don't look that strong (Ballack and Klose aside).

A semi-final berth is a real possibility for the USA, and I for one hope they get it.
 

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US win,Quarter finals appearance!

Congrats to the US team! I really enjoyed the match and it's good to know even a few Americans saw it as well!!(bitchy)
You have the pleasure of playing one of the least entertaining sides in the Soccer (internationally known as football) universe.
Germany are so poor and have only got to the the quarterfinals on favourable seeding and luck, Oliver Kahn enjoys punching balls out from the goal mouth so I'm sure the US can beat him. Kahn is much vaunted but I do not think he comes close to Friedl. Klose can score against Saudi because they (the Saudi team) had gone home during that match.The Irish team did very well against the Germans who seem to believe their own propaganda. They are poor, pls dont let them get close to the trophy, do it for us.
I hope US soccer can now gain a march on Helmet Rugby, growth hormoneball and rounders in the US and move from a small para on page 5, to a medium sized para on page 4! I really admire soccer fans in the US, you still believe when the TV networks say no! Good luck, I hope the US can beat Italy in the Semi!
Even George Bush noticed, don't tell him Osama is an Arsenal fan or he'll ban Soccer!!!
 

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Thank you Talkballs. I think That Arena has to play Mathis in this game. Not to say that the Germans are scared of us , hell they said 5-0 ?? Thats pretty bold. I wounder what they said before they got beat 5-1 by the english ?? I think if the germans want to look over us let them. When we played them earlier this year we played decent , minus the 10 minutes or so when they knocked in like 3 goals we played legit , we played scared , but we played legit. Mathis has to strike some fear into the Germans , and If Arena makes any changes it has to be Mathis for Wolff. I think Eddie Lewis played well but i think bringing in Beasley would be a good idea too , but not mandatory. The last time we played , we got dominated physically, and we played scared. I think that this game is winnable by all means but we will have to come to play that is for sure. my probable lineup




Friedel
Hejduk
Pope
Berhalter
Sanneh
Beasley
O'brien
Reyna
Donovan
Mathis
McBride

I would love to see mastrouni start but i dont think he will. He is a very physical player and could help solidfy the middle. However another option would be to use a 3 5 2 again like we did against mexico. That would allow Mastrouni to come in place of Berhalter possibly. I dont know what to expect. Arena knows what he is doing , and i am sure he will get the right players out there
 

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Hell, I hope they'll underestimate us and will think they can beat us 5-0. We'll catch 'em with their pants down and will flip that scoreline around real quick
 

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To be honest, I don't really care nearly as much about the Germany match as last nights match. Regardless of the result on Friday, the US has more than exceeded expectations and rid US of the demons from the '98 Cup.

Funny how Cameroon go on a tear and the worldwide media is going on about how African footie is on the rise, yet the US do well (Actually, CONCACAF as a whole) and it's just luck.

Hopefully, the Germans will underestimate the US and we can get another result. If we don't, so be it, we've had a great run and the world should take notice if they haven't already.

Besides, it's not like we didn't play a solid match vs Germany a couple of months ago and there were then positive comments about the US from the Germans at that time. Maybe they've forgotten. ;)
 

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Yet more unwelcome "advice"

Just don't play Agoos!! Do you think that Mexican player-Hernandez? deserves an Oscar? Rivaldo I think edges that!
The Germans have not really been tested yet, they will sit back like they did with Paraguay and wait for a chance, the US's pace and your Goalie shoulds help to counter German organisation. The Germans have Klose and Carsten "the Miss" Jancker and a reassonably average midfield but the German defence is very poor... Kahn really suffers from Chilaverts disease, flamboyance, trying to do the simple the hard way.

I was looking at the NFL website the other day.... according to it's history of "football" , gridiron developed form Rugby(true) which according to the NFL started when William Webb Ellis picked up the ball in a "Soccer" match!!!!!!!!!(Ha HA HA HA HA HA !)
Nowonder they wear helmets, it's to preserve the little that's left!

Tip- Association Football (Assoc =Soccer)
Rugby Football,
Gridiron, highly boring ripoff of Rugby, so dull I'm suprised it's not popular in Germany. No offence, or offense intended to gridiron fanatics.
I just feel sorry that most Americans are not part of the World cup party, I noticed that only now has the world cup made the sports headlines on MSNBC FOX, and ABC. The US seems to be a parallel universe, my Brother is in Atlanta Right now and is stuggling to find the world cup. Can youi imagine, no coverage of the moon landings? (Yes if no US citizen was involved)
WW2? The Olympics? I onluy hope the success of the US team helps to ignte more interest as it much better if ALL the world is involved particularly it's most powerful and richest country. Plus we would not have to put up with those dreadful Baseball/"Football"/Basketball films with Kevin Costner. See Ya!
More polemic soon, sorry!!
 

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I agree with talkballs. The germans have only been tested once , and that was by he irish , and not to take away from the irish they didnt have the best game that day either. But I think the germans are looking right over us. Donovan and Mathis should start this game for sure. Donovan as well and Mathis both have a bit of motavation , not to mention we have a lose to avenge from 98. Donovan is alwyas talking about proving he can play in germany and well by putting on a show against them he will do just that. Mathis obviously is being scouted by Bayern Munich and has already caused the German's trouble in the meeting earlier this year. I really dont know what type of game to expect. And i reallt dont kniow what style would siut us best. Should we sit back like we did against mexico or attack like we did against portugal. Either way i dont care as long as we get the result.
 

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Austin,

Give it up! I know I Have. Not one of us can predict what Bruce will do. Twenty different opinions, obviously ONE of us will be right by the sheer odds. I really like Mathis and he would start for me, but I'm not going to second guess Bruce now, win, lose or draw. (UNLESS he lets Reyna get anywhere near the middle of play!)

I think if we are relaxed and not intimidated, we might give the Germans the surprise of their life. My brother played professional basketball in Germany. Lead the team in scoring and every other category of importance, and they always thought he was lucky without much talent (simply because they could jump higher or bench press more weight.) Can you believe they still marvel that we defeated them in WWII? They have a natural knack for believing they are superior. It might really work in our favor Friday.

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Tim..The Germans never underestimate anyone....

anyway, this is a game where I'd be a bit worried. The Germans are big and fast and can be a very physical team. Something that we've only played once this torunament and that was Poland (big and physical).

The thing about the Germans is that we have to watch their runs from the back...they get involved in the attack. They are also great at 50-50 balls....we got pasted by them a few months back and that was without 7 starters....plus there is a lot more at stake here than in the friendly...but, I also see a differnt team from us too. We are not that same team that lost 5-1 to them...we now have confidence, and a hot goalie....

Win or lose, I think that we now have respect around the world....and that is a great feeling....hope the boys can pull this one off.....I think they can....
 

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nice article I found at ESPN.COM :)

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Monday, June 17, 2002

A 12-step program of another kind
By Ray Ratto

The United States, having sent a truly representative representative to the World Cup for the first time since Stalin played honkytonk piano in a South Side speak-easy during Prohibition (don't bother looking it up; the CIA is suppressing the news for national security reasons), is preparing for its first quarterfinal-round match ever, against Germany, and we are stuck for a response.

I mean, we've already performed the two acceptable response reactions to the Yanks' 2-0 win over Mexico early Monday morning -- hysterical screaming sufficient to wake the dead relatives of your neighbors in the middle of the night, or sleeping the sleep of the utterly disinterested.

This atop the other preliminary steps on the Road To Getting The Concept, namely:

The First Step
Knowing Who's Playing, And Why
The United States qualified for the Cup months ago.

The Second Step
Bothering To Care
Many people already dropped out at this step, but that doesn't make them bad people. In fact, they're the ones getting a full might's sleep while you're looking for good veins to shoot espressos into at 3:30 a.m.

The Third Step
Identifying The Opponent, and Potential Future Opponents
In the Cup, there are two kinds of groups, the Group Of Death, and the Group of Minor Discomforts.

The Fourth Step
Identifying The Best Players And The Best Teams
Many of which were eliminated in the knockout round.

The Fifth Step
Watching The First Game, And Talking About It Afterward Like You Know What Happened
The Americans, 3-2 over the highly rated Portuguese. And how about that Brad Friedel?

The Sixth Step
Buying Beer And Pork Rinds For The Second Game
That's self-explanatory.

The Seventh Step
Developing Expectations
Hey, we can win the group ... oops, tied South Korea; never mind.

The Eighth Step
Living With Disappointment
Stinking the joint out against Poland, and lucking into the second round only because Portugal took gas again.

The Ninth Step
Identifying The Miscreants
In '98, the whole team was fingered for all-around indolence, and head coach Steve Sampson was fired for helping foster that indolence. In '02, it's all Jeff Agoos' fault, and congratulations to him for being the first player in U.S. soccer history to be blamed for a bad result.

The Tenth Step
Watching Them Pull Their Goolies Out Of The Fire In A Big Game
Beating Mexico despite spending most of the game in their own end.

The Eleventh Step
Developing New Expectations
They can't beat Germany ... they can't ... they just can't ... can they?

... and now, where you are today if you haven't given up and moved on to Ralph Wiley, Making A List, The Onion or your favorite porn site ...

The Twelfth Step
Deciding When Your Expectations Are Valid Enough To Blame The Team For Not Reaching Them.

Yes, the Yanks have never gone this far before, and yes, they have exceeded all of your wildest dreams (that is, if you had any wild dreams for this team), and yes, everything after this is technically gravy, or at least gumbo.

But there is something else involved here, namely that Germany is not drop-dead unbeatable. They can be had, as they are, given the right set of circumstances -- say, Friedel doing that Dominik Hasek thing again, a quick counter for a goal like Brian McBride's early in the Mexico match and a lot of stubborn defending.

After all, the Germans came out of The Group Of Nothing In Particular (they beat Saudi Arabia 8-0, beat Cameroon 2-0 and tied Ireland 1-1) and struggled to beat Paraguay 1-0, in the Round of 16. They are good -- goaltender Oliver Kahn might be the best in the world -- but they are not stone cold locks.

Thus, if the Americans can beat Germany, what should be your reaction if they in fact don't? Should you look at the bright side and say, "Well, they got further than we thought they could"? Should you look on the alternative bright side and say, "Well, they can build off this for '06?"

Or are you ready to put the national team to the real test -- namely, being torqued off that they didn't go even further and get to face down Italy, Spain or those infuriating South Koreans.

In other words, are you ready for Step The Twelfth?

The answer to that question will explain the true maturity level of the American soccer fan. It was easy to hate the team when it threw itself down the gurgler in France. It's easy for the Argentines and French and Portuguese to hate their teams today because they couldn't get out of the knockout round. It may be easy for the Germans to turn on their boys if they don't get past the Americans because, well, they're still the Americans.

But is it safe to get cranky if your boys go down instead? Are you ready to take the 12th step? Can you escape the grip of creeping soccer mom-hood and say, "No, sometimes it's not OK just to do your best, damn it. Now sit back down, put your seat belt on, or we're not going to Tandoori Bell!"?

The question needs to be asked, because if you can't get past Step The Twelfth, you can never reach The Final Step -- Overturning Cars, Taking Off Your Clothes In Front Of News Cameras and Arguing Half-Drunkenly With Police Horses In The Victory Celebration.

It's OK if you can't, of course. Like therapy, fandom takes a long time to properly develop. But it will be a setback that causes at least four more years of couch time. Look, we never said this would be easy ... except for the people who are getting all their sleep.

Ray Ratto is a columnist for the San Francisco Chronicle and a regular contributor to ESPN.com
 

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Humorous anecdote seen on TV last night in L.A......

Out of O'Reilly's, on Wilshire Blvd. among other quick bits with fans.............comes Eric Braeden
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Victor....The Young and The Restless daytime TV soap opera?
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Dude PLAYED Pro soccer, so he knows his stuff.....said USA is not surprising, we are much better than others credit us.....and germany SHOULD be a little careful and worried of our speed and counterattack quickness.
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I dig that guy.
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Not for his soap, but for my childhood fave, "The Rat Patrol", when he went by Hans Gudegast, his real name.
LMAO
I am TV and footie and sports trivia King.
LOL

....tho I did crash out of a "Win Ben Stein's Money" audition.....
ROFL

Go Turkey tonight!!!!!!!!!!
I am in me white adidas Turkey away kit, LOL
peace brothers and sisters of the BB

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Bruce has done a masterful job, thus far; and US Soccer learned its lesson from the farce that was France 1998.

What has impressed me more than anythhing, is the fact that this team was prepared both on and off the pitch. The on the field stuff is self evident, but the off the field, behind the sceen stuff is just now coming to the surface.

... arranging pre WC tournament matches with Italy, Ireland and Germany ... potential 2nd round opponents; someone was looking ahead.

... playing Holland ... they played Portugal and Ireland in UEFA WC tournament ... How do we matchup? ... compare & contrast?

... Not to mention the games vs. S. Korea and Mexico.

I think the success of this team has alot to do with US soccer (football) finaly growing up, coming of age ... come prepared, or don't come at all.

The goal was 2010 !!! Are WE early?

GERMANY ... WE ARE PREPARED!!!
 

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Just wanted to say that the team that wins this match will have a considerably easier opponent than they might have imagined.

Both Spain and Korea played almost 120 minutes. Both have MAJOR yellow card problems (which could mean a suspension in the semi-final).. and they will both likely play a bitter match against each other..

Germany gets most of its players back. The winner of Germany-USA will go to the final I think, just like the winner of Brazil-England will win the final.


This is our chance guys.. don't think ahead to 2006 or 2010. Too many strange things can happen. Lets win this now!
 

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At least one German player has class!

Germany goalkeeper Oliver Kahn looks at the U.S. team and sees characteristics of his own.

"They will be a very unpleasant rival," he said. "They fight a lot, like us, and they are very patriotic guys who give everything for their country. We have to be very careful."
 

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I haven't seen a single comment by the Germans indicating that they think it'll be an easy match. I highly doubt they'll come out underestimating us like Portugal did.

That said, I think we have a chance of winning. Not a very good chance, but if Bruce makes the right moves and we can get an early goal like we did against Mexico, who knows? We could see a US-Korea semifinal (I'm counting on Spain to choke and Korea to play well again). How incredible would that be? I doubt a single person in the entire world would have thought that possible.
 
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