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Manchester United have retained their position as the world's wealthiest football club but Arsenal have overtaken Liverpool in the rich list.

United's turnover of £175million in 2002/3 keeps them ahead of Italian giants Juventus and AC Milan, as well as Real Madrid, in the Deloitte and Touche study of revenue coming into clubs.

Liverpool, though, have fallen out of the top five from fifth place a year ago and are now in eighth overall with £104.4million, just behind Arsenal (£104.6million), whose position will be strengthened when they move to a new stadium in 2006.

Celtic make it into 18th place with an annual income of £60.8million but there is no place for Rangers who dropped out of the top 20 two years ago.

Despite their terrible financial problems, Leeds are rated among the top 20 clubs in the world in terms of income and are in 16th place with revenues of £64million during 2002/3.

Dan Jones, director of the sports business group at Deloitte, said: "We look at turnover, all the money coming in from day-to-day football business operations - the best publicly available measure of financial muscle.

"We don't consider outgoings or what someone might pay to buy the club. We use turnover because if a club has large revenues, and manages them well, the club will become rich. The well-publicised financial difficulties of some of these clubs are not caused by lack of revenue."

English and Italian clubs dominate the rich list, making up 12 of the top 20 and Premiership clubs generate far more matchday income than their European rivals from gate receipts, corporate hospitality and matchday food and merchandise sales.

The big Italian clubs owe their dominance to the fact they negotiate their own TV rights deals - Juventus and AC Milan have the largest broadcasting incomes in world football - but perform poorly in terms of matchday income, which accounts for 40% of Manchester United's total revenue and is more than three times their closest Italian rival.

Jones believes leading football clubs will continue to rake in huge income from television despite a slight slump in the market.

He added: "Broadcast income is the largest single source for most of the clubs and despite the widespread speculation of a collapse in media values, we think this is unlikely."

The list also shows that United are the richest team of any sport in the world - next in line are baseball's New York Yankees with revenue of £170million.

American football team Tampa Bay Buccaneers, headed by the Glazer family who also hold a growing stake in Manchester United, generated income of £102million.

Deloitte Football Rich List, published in conjunction with FootballBusiness International

Position - (previous year) - Club - income in sterling - (income in euros)

1 (1) Manchester United 175.8 (251.4)

2 (2) Juventus 152.7 (218.3)

3 (4) AC Milan 140 (200.2)

4 (6) Real Madrid 134.7 (192.6)

5 (3) Bayern Munich 113.8 (162.7)

6 (12) Inter Milan 113.6 (162.4)

7 (8) Arsenal 104.6 (149.6)

8 (5) Liverpool 104.4 (149.4)

9 (13) Newcastle 97.1 (138.9)

10 (7) Chelsea 93.6 (133.8)

11 (10) Roma 92.6 (132.4)

12 (15) Borussia Dortmund 86.7 (124.0)

13 (9) Barcelona 86.3 (123.4)

14 (n/a) Schalke 04 82.9 (118.6)

15 (16) Tottenham 66.9 (95.6)

16 (11) Leeds 64.3 (92.0)

17 (14) Lazio 62.2 (88.9)

18 (17) Celtic 60.8 (87.0)

19 (20) Olympique Lyonnais 58.9 (84.3)

20 (n/a) Valencia 56.3 (80.5).

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All that ****ing money and we can't play £10 for Robben.

If the board keeps being so tight-assed, we will never sign a decent player ever. Look what happened to Ronaldinhio and now Robben!!
 

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All that ****ing money and we can't play £10 for Robben.

If the board keeps being so tight-assed, we will never sign a decent player ever. Look what happened to Ronaldinhio and now Robben!!
People moan when we pay too much, now people are moaning because we don't pay £12m for Robben.

Personally I think our offer was fair enough (£8m) and if PSV didn't want to accept that then we'll look at other options. No great loss.
 

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Turnover means very little but it's nice to see we beat the opposition off the pitch as well as on it. ;) :groan:

Arsenal are bound to go up in the Rankings when they get that new stadium built.
 

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Manchester United have retained their position as the world's wealthiest football club but Arsenal have overtaken Liverpool in the rich list.

United's turnover of £175million in 2002/3 keeps them ahead of Italian giants Juventus and AC Milan, as well as Real Madrid, in the Deloitte and Touche study of revenue coming into clubs.

Liverpool, though, have fallen out of the top five from fifth place a year ago and are now in eighth overall with £104.4million, just behind Arsenal (£104.6million), whose position will be strengthened when they move to a new stadium in 2006.

Celtic make it into 18th place with an annual income of £60.8million but there is no place for Rangers who dropped out of the top 20 two years ago.

Despite their terrible financial problems, Leeds are rated among the top 20 clubs in the world in terms of income and are in 16th place with revenues of £64million during 2002/3.

Dan Jones, director of the sports business group at Deloitte, said: "We look at turnover, all the money coming in from day-to-day football business operations - the best publicly available measure of financial muscle.

"We don't consider outgoings or what someone might pay to buy the club. We use turnover because if a club has large revenues, and manages them well, the club will become rich. The well-publicised financial difficulties of some of these clubs are not caused by lack of revenue."

English and Italian clubs dominate the rich list, making up 12 of the top 20 and Premiership clubs generate far more matchday income than their European rivals from gate receipts, corporate hospitality and matchday food and merchandise sales.

The big Italian clubs owe their dominance to the fact they negotiate their own TV rights deals - Juventus and AC Milan have the largest broadcasting incomes in world football - but perform poorly in terms of matchday income, which accounts for 40% of Manchester United's total revenue and is more than three times their closest Italian rival.

Jones believes leading football clubs will continue to rake in huge income from television despite a slight slump in the market.

He added: "Broadcast income is the largest single source for most of the clubs and despite the widespread speculation of a collapse in media values, we think this is unlikely."

The list also shows that United are the richest team of any sport in the world - next in line are baseball's New York Yankees with revenue of £170million.

American football team Tampa Bay Buccaneers, headed by the Glazer family who also hold a growing stake in Manchester United, generated income of £102million.

Deloitte Football Rich List, published in conjunction with FootballBusiness International

Position - (previous year) - Club - income in sterling - (income in euros)

1 (1) Manchester United 175.8 (251.4)

2 (2) Juventus 152.7 (218.3)

3 (4) AC Milan 140 (200.2)

4 (6) Real Madrid 134.7 (192.6)

5 (3) Bayern Munich 113.8 (162.7)

6 (12) Inter Milan 113.6 (162.4)

7 (8) Arsenal 104.6 (149.6)

8 (5) Liverpool 104.4 (149.4)

9 (13) Newcastle 97.1 (138.9)

10 (7) Chelsea 93.6 (133.8)

11 (10) Roma 92.6 (132.4)

12 (15) Borussia Dortmund 86.7 (124.0)

13 (9) Barcelona 86.3 (123.4)

14 (n/a) Schalke 04 82.9 (118.6)

15 (16) Tottenham 66.9 (95.6)

16 (11) Leeds 64.3 (92.0)

17 (14) Lazio 62.2 (88.9)

18 (17) Celtic 60.8 (87.0)

19 (20) Olympique Lyonnais 58.9 (84.3)

20 (n/a) Valencia 56.3 (80.5).

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All that ****ing money and we can't play £10 for Robben.

If the board keeps being so tight-assed, we will never sign a decent player ever. Look what happened to Ronaldinhio and now Robben!!
all that money and you CANT win the EPL this year

all that money and arsenal has a better aggregate then you in the CL

want me to go on?
 
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making himself look stupid, despite nothing he's said being anything other than the truth??
 

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Everyone knows more money doesnt buy trophys. Lots of money does. No one supporting a club on that list should be able to gloat about having less money yet getting better results. Ask the Wolves what they would do with 50% of Arsenal's income and Im sure they can get 75% of a better return. :D
 

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all that money and you CANT win the EPL this year

all that money and arsenal has a better aggregate then you in the CL

want me to go on?
Yup but the figures are for the year 2002/2003 during which time we won the League.;)

The difference between Arsenal and United is huge and though their new stadium will add perhaps an additional $18-20 million revenue at most,it will still not be enough to see them break into the top 4, which are ahead of the rest by some margin.
 

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I would prefer to win a title this year or at least playing better- instead of being at the top of the list of the most rich clubs. :yuck:
 

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Being known as the richest club does this really count for much?It does'nt seem so.
 

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Yup but the figures are for the year 2002/2003 during which time we won the League.;)

The difference between Arsenal and United is huge and though their new stadium will add perhaps an additional $18-20 million revenue at most,it will still not be enough to see them break into the top 4, which are ahead of the rest by some margin.
you are joking,Shaf we will be far richer than that,a sell out crowd at Ashburton Grove will give us an extra £2m per game,so that's £38m just in the EPL ,add to the extra CL and cup games we will probably be looking at around £53m.

course we may not sell all tickets so i'll take off £10m to be generous,seeing as we have 70,000 on our waiting list that is generous. ;)

that will give us £43m extra plus our total of £104m already,this will put us on £147m ,putting us comfortably in 3rd place. :D

so we will be comfortably in 3rd and probably in 2nd in turnover,this won't mean we will be any richer for a while because we have our bank loans to pay off,but we will still have far more transfermoney than we have had for the last three seasons so we are well placed. ;)
 

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The presence of so many English teams among the top 20 clearly suggest that the tremendous fan base and passion that each team generates helps to fill the stadias in every games while in places like Germany and Italy and even Spain,you get half empty stadiums even during some European nights.

I mean I had to break my right arm to get a ticket for a United-Olympiakos game and that too when United were cruising in their group.The revenues of teams like Tottenham and Leeds are mainly generated from the game attendance and all this is only good news for the League itself.
 

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Yup but the figures are for the year 2002/2003 during which time we won the League.;)

The difference between Arsenal and United is huge and though their new stadium will add perhaps an additional $18-20 million revenue at most,it will still not be enough to see them break into the top 4, which are ahead of the rest by some margin.
excuse me then, my mistake. however you are still the richest club this year, and you win nothing. :eek:

arsenal hasnt got the stadium built yet, so right now, we are poor :sob:
 

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Don't buy into that article. Man United still doesn't have any money.

I find that the attempts of financial firms to measure football clubs as a laughable exercise. Here's a list of richest clubs that obviously does not include some of the largest money earning aspects of the game (i.e. off site merchandising and commercial sponsorships), it in fact subtly admits that it does not take into account all factors, yet it still is brash enough to name the richest club.

And then there's the question of, "What does it mean to be richest anyway?"

Italian clubs have "big daddy" owners who don't care if their club operates at a loss and they would gladly shell out an extra 20 million or so to bring some player they fancy to their team.

Spain has clubs like Real Madrid and Barcelona that are non-profit, non-listed social clubs and therefore have no onus to make money for anyone. They exist solely for themselves.

Then you have an English club Man U, very much the definition of a modern franchise. It's publicly listed with a board of stockholders. It may, or may not, make the most money, but still it has to answer to stockholders and worst of all, Man U has to issue dividends. So by far, Man U has the highest expense of any of the clubs. This is why Man U never has any money to spend.

So what does it mean then to make 250 mil when you have to pay 200 mil to expenses and stockholders? Isn't it then better to make 125 mil but only have to pay 25 mil to expenses? Or isn't it even better to make 150 mil, pay out 200 mil, but have an owner willing to pump in another 100 mil every time you use up all your money?

There's just way too much going on financially with regard to football clubs so I wish people would stop trying to quantify it using established accounting principles because face it, most big european clubs defy established accounting principles anyway.
 

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How would you know? :rolleyes:
what makes YOU an expert, and not a firm that spends time and money to investigate this.

And commercial sponsorships must be included. Its what separates the top clubs from the lesser ones. Otherwise all would rely on ticket sales.

Also, this is a ranking of incomes. Not wealth. There is a difference yet the same clubs would be on the list in about the same order.
 
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