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This is another one of those stories that makes you shake your head and wonder about how the world really works.

The panel was disbanded last month by the Security Council - with the U.S.'s agreement.

Their crime? They did too good a job. The panel released a report indicating that Al-Quaeda today is as well financed and dangerous as it was on September 10 2001. The charities that funnelled funds to Al-Quaeda? They've just changed their names and it's biz as usual.

But what really sealed the panel's fate was the revelation that many Al-Queada cash sources are co-owned by otherwise legitimate business interests all over the world. The British Chairman of the panel, Michael Chandler, didn't flinch from recommending that these relationships be vigorously investigated. That made important people uncomfortable. The panel was disbanded, and is to be replaced by a "more professional" body.

I can only imagine how relatives of terrorism victims might feel reading such a story.
 

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Gives a whole new meaning to the words "more professional", don't it?
 

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Nope. The decision is already a month old, mainstream media gave it a pass. It was only when some of the panel members spoke out that it got some play. I heard an interview with one of the panel members on CBC radio that was very interesting.

It probably didn't help their chances of survival that one of the groups they identified as not doing enough was the Bush Administration.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4102-2004Feb1.html
 

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wanna know a cool story
ok this is complicated so try to follow ;)

1. iran is designated as a state that sponsors terrorism
2. it is illegal to do buisness with a state that sponsors terrorism, if the firm is a U.S. Firm
3. there is a loophole that says off shore subsiduaries of U.S. firms can do business with states that sponsor terrorism
4. Certain U.S. firms exploit this loophole
5. Halliburton is one such firm
6. Halliburton has a firm in the cayman's they have a big sign on the door, however no one works at the subsidary, and all mail to the subsiduary is fowarded to Texas to Halliburton headquaters
7. Halliburton does buisness in Iran and Syria, thorugh a non existant subsiduary to the tune of 40 million dollars.
8. U.S. citizens with 401(K) plans that have it invested in mutual funds and etc, actually own quite a bit of Halliburton
9. Halliburton spends the money from U.S. citizens it raises as stock capital in Iran, on oil fields which are owned by the goverment of iran, which of course the U.S. designated a terrorist state.

aint it intresting that not only do unkonwing U.S. citizens have thier retirment funds invested in companys breaking all ethical and moral rules, but also the law (as it states that the subsiduary must be totally independent in their work in the "terrorist states") in countrys which fund terrorism, which in turn makes 9/11

and the grand daddy of it all.....our VICE PRESIDENT was CEO of Halliburton when they expanded their oil operations into IRAN, while this law was in effect, and also its the same DICK CHENEY who awarded HALLIBURTON a no bid contract in IRAQ, the same DICK CHENEY who encourages bush to threathen IRAN and SYRIA with claims they are making WMD's. So that perhaps his firm can expand its buisness there by reciving another NO BID CONTRACT to rebuild a country that it lobbied the govt to invade.

oh and btw, Halliburton recently shafted the U.S. Govt by over 6 million dollars in kickbacks it gave to its benefactors.....
 

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It goes to show that one can't be audacious with politicians, bravado doesn't allow it.

BTW, going strictly by Tinto's linked report - it doesn't sound as if the UN gave up on the idea itself, just disbanded this committee, pissed off too many egos, endangered too many interests, not enough "Teeth." They're are putting together one with more "teeth." Can't imagine a committee with more "teeth" lasting any longer than this one, though.
 

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That's funny. They're putting together one with more teeth, when it was the bite of this one that damaged the egos. Lotsaluck sorting that out.

Lav - your story illustrates just the kind of thing that resulted in the disbanding of this panel. ;) The members were stupid enough to think they should actually put political expediency aside.

Like I said, the average joe might derive some wry amusement from a story like this, but if you lost a relative in 911, I doubt you'd see anything to be amused about.
 

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That's funny. They're putting together one with more teeth, when it was the bite of this one that damaged the egos. Lotsaluck sorting that out.

Lav - your story illustrates just the kind of thing that resulted in the disbanding of this panel. ;) The members were stupid enough to think they should actually put political expediency aside.

Like I said, the average joe might derive some wry amusement from a story like this, but if you lost a relative in 911, I doubt you'd see anything to be amused about.
It was one of those "It seemed like a good idea at the time" things, like ordering a complete bunk inspection only to realize that "complete" meant looking under YOUR mattress too. So you disband the inspection team, put another one together, but this time take the time to make sure the inspection team understands what "complete" really means.
 

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Lav said:
wanna know a cool story
ok this is complicated so try to follow ;)

1. iran is designated as a state that sponsors terrorism
2. it is illegal to do buisness with a state that sponsors terrorism, if the firm is a U.S. Firm
3. there is a loophole that says off shore subsiduaries of U.S. firms can do business with states that sponsor terrorism
4. Certain U.S. firms exploit this loophole
5. Halliburton is one such firm
6. Halliburton has a firm in the cayman's they have a big sign on the door, however no one works at the subsidary, and all mail to the subsiduary is fowarded to Texas to Halliburton headquaters
7. Halliburton does buisness in Iran and Syria, thorugh a non existant subsiduary to the tune of 40 million dollars.
8. U.S. citizens with 401(K) plans that have it invested in mutual funds and etc, actually own quite a bit of Halliburton
9. Halliburton spends the money from U.S. citizens it raises as stock capital in Iran, on oil fields which are owned by the goverment of iran, which of course the U.S. designated a terrorist state.

aint it intresting that not only do unkonwing U.S. citizens have thier retirment funds invested in companys breaking all ethical and moral rules, but also the law (as it states that the subsiduary must be totally independent in their work in the "terrorist states") in countrys which fund terrorism, which in turn makes 9/11

and the grand daddy of it all.....our VICE PRESIDENT was CEO of Halliburton when they expanded their oil operations into IRAN, while this law was in effect, and also its the same DICK CHENEY who awarded HALLIBURTON a no bid contract in IRAQ, the same DICK CHENEY who encourages bush to threathen IRAN and SYRIA with claims they are making WMD's. So that perhaps his firm can expand its buisness there by reciving another NO BID CONTRACT to rebuild a country that it lobbied the govt to invade.

oh and btw, Halliburton recently shafted the U.S. Govt by over 6 million dollars in kickbacks it gave to its benefactors.....
Not a problem Lav. Transnational corporations. They're the salt of the earth, in all ways, and there's no reason to regulate transnational capital what so ever. Would be the scourge of the earth if it ever was to happen. All development would stop.

Needless to say- what Haliburton does is absolutely legal.
 

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BORING.

I've been arguing against unrestricted transnational movement of capital since before you discovered how talking tedious jibberish inflated your biscione.

Doesn't mean I'm against the market in any way at all. If anything I'm the proponent of fair trade between the two of us. How's that for a surprise?
 

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Not a problem Lav. Transnational corporations. They're the salt of the earth, in all ways, and there's no reason to regulate transnational capital what so ever. Would be the scourge of the earth if it ever was to happen. All development would stop.

Needless to say- what Haliburton does is absolutely legal.
umm glen

under US law it is illegal, they exploit a loophole but in a way which is illegal.

and what i am saying is that by doing so these guys are funding the terrorism which the bush administration has taken such a stand on. i just pointed out hypocrisy, of it all. The mighty administration standing up to terrorism but giving no bid contracts to firms that invest in countries that sponsor and funnel money to the terrorism we are trying to stop

if u cant see that then I guess u aint half the psuedo-intellectual pila claims u pretend to be :tongue:
 

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Part of the money for terrorism also comes from Saudi Arabia, but you never hear about that...
 

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Well you do hear about it, but apparently not on US TV. Here in the true North strong and free ;) the CBC keeps us informed through it's "Passionate Eye".

Not to mention that Saudi Arabia is another vital US ally that the Bush administration frequently turns a blind eye to...
 

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Andrija PFC said:
Well you do hear about it, but apparently not on US TV. Here in the true North strong and free ;) the CBC keeps us informed through it's "Passionate Eye".

Not to mention that Saudi Arabia is another vital US ally that the Bush administration frequently turns a blind eye to...

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Tim said:
Part of the money for terrorism also comes from Saudi Arabia, but you never hear about that...
"Part" of the money?:D Good one.
 
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