[pool_till_I_die]

ok can we have a happy medium here.......if a guy is playing badly it does not mean:
a) he is crap
b) he is a waste of money, or
c) we should hunt them out of Madrid with pointed sticks.

and if he is playing well then to compare him to players such as ZZ is soo very unfair. As Mark J Williams has said (a snooker player) 'I don't want to be known as the next Alex Higgings but as the first Mark Williams'. At the end of the day Guti is an amazing prospect but ZZ has sustained dominance for over 5 years in Italy and won the World cup and Euro Championships with France. I don't think that temprement is that importnat though as we all know that ZZ is prone to the odd kick or stamp.

 

[man_an]

Yugo King, why is it that you have a problem w/ every single player... Saviola is weak, guti is **** etc etc
A wise old man once said to me: It's better to keep your mouth shut and let everybody think you're a fool than to open it loud and remove all doubts.

 

[The Merengue]

boy,i didnt mean to start a religious debate with that post.
labas,i respect you,i really do,but it'd be better to keep your opinions on such sensitive matters to yourself.i too view some other religions as crap,but that doesnt mean i gotta trash talk them.good to see you're so well educated on our religion,and frankly,cant see how you could have studied it so much w/out converting.cant imagine some1 would learn about Islam so much,and not see it as the right path to take.but maybe you dont care too much bout religion anyway.any religion.
bact to the topic.well,maybe did overreact.but i never said
he's as good as zidane already.i said he can be.you guys gotta admit there's some similarity in their style of play.they have a similar technique.whether guti can kick on is another matter.personally,i'm against comparisons too.

 

[hala]

Hehehe... "an apology to Guti"...

I have been among the Guti disbelievers and I won't 'apologise' to him for that yet. Nobody ever denied his talent, I have had (and still have) doubts about his brains/priorities/concentration. He has been playing well lately, good for him and, most important, good for Real Madrid. For the moment he deserves, not only to be in the squad but also to be an uncontested started. He LOOKS to finally realise that this is his (maybe last) chance and that he's got to grab it.

But I will only 'apologise' to him after he's had (at last!) a good SEASON, not after only 3-4 good games. This is too early for me!

 

[Guest]

Hey!! The Merengue I am from Bangladesh too but living in UAE. Well Anelka i guees u have to greet a muslim by the phrase ASSALAMU ALAIKUM not SALAM ALAIKUM , if i am not mistaken

Well nice to see that Labas is learning some Islamic Phrases,May God Bless U with me

mushfiq i too live in the UAE.

and labas The Merengue is right.if you dont care abouth religions.then dont care but it is a very ill-manneres and ill-civilized thing to rash them in public.

 

[man_an]

Hey, whatever happened to the freedom of speech?

 

[labas]

Hey come on guys, all I was trying to do is start a good ol' religious debate I see none of you Muslims know enough about your religion, or mine for that matter, in order to argue with me about it Too bad, but I find Merengue's comment quite funny, because as i see it, if you would study more closely Islam, perhaps read some western books on it, you'd see it's just an idea of a smart person living in the VII century in Arabia What Muhhamad did, was a necessity at the time for the Arabs, he was smart enough to lead them, that's all. Like all religions, it's an opium for the people, not any longer though...

 

[hala]

Like all religions, it's an opium for the people

Hahaha... you've been reading Karl Marx lately labas? I see you're quoting him.

 

[labas]

No way hala! This one is straight from my reperuar I have studied so far only two religions - Islam and christianism and have so far come to that conclusion. Never knew Marx said that! Am i to be the next Marx? Will I have my own sity in some country? hahaha

 

[hala]

Hahaha... and how did you come up with the word 'opium'? You use it a lot in your 'repertoire'?

Maybe you WERE Karl Marx in a past life

 

[pool_till_I_die]

the new Karl Marx.......cool, i'll be Engels, the guy who gets no credit but supports Marx financially when he is bummed (hang on I think that maybe I have got the bad deal here).

As a matter of interest what do you guys think of Marx? Is he:

a) a communist wanker
b) a contradicting @rse
c) an intelligent guy who was way ahead of his time and with Durkheim and Engels produced the birth of Sociology.

Also I think that there is a tie between Marx and religion as he said that it was used by the Bourgoise to inflict false consciousness. An example would be how the Christian religion was used (and still is to a certain extent) to keep the power in the elite (i.e. white men). It also deflects blame to religous reasons, for example it is a Christian belief that people who are borned disabled are being punnished by God for a bad previous life, this means that there would be no funds to go to the disabled as they were not seen as worthy to get it.

However Durkheims study of Suicide is the most quoted on the terms of religion, very interesting findings.

 

[labas]

Do I really use it that often? Anyway in polish it's a common word for the drug, I dunno if it's even correct in english, I just translate it hehe, I'm sure, that if I was anyone in a past life, it was Kamil Cavour:happy:

 

[Bhavz]

A very interesting religious debate.
Just out of curiosity, May I ask what religion you do follow, Labas? I'm a Hindu and I agree with your comments about the major religions of the world.

 

[The Merengue]

i dont see anything interesting bout it.everone's saying what he likes w/out any substance(me too).just not our thing i guess.hey labas,why do you assume we dont khnow enough bout our religion to argue with you.maybe we dont,but how do you know.and are you an atheist?
raul,i think i have heard about the bahai faith.saw a documentary bout on the national geographic channel last year.and bhanz,labas' views i can understand,coz he doesnt seem to give a **** bout any religion.but what do you mean you share his views on other major religions. you think hinduism is practical?

 

[Bhavz]

It's Bhavz actually but anyway about your question. I agree with Labas about that Christianity is very similar to Islam and that Buddhism and Hinduism are more to do with how people act and behave. People's actions lead to them facing the consequences in their next life. I do also think Hinduism is practical because I am able to get on with life like anybody else and still be a proper Hindu. I hear about my muslim friends having to pray 5 times a day and do all sorts of rituals in order to be considered a Muslim. And about Christians, I don't know one person that follows their religion properly yet they call themselves Christians. I'm not saying this about every one but the ones I know are like that.

 

[labas]

hehe, well I dunno how good your knowledge on Islam is, I do know that Aamir's is pretty weak Anyway Christianism is nowadays indeed a religion, that you are associated with, but not a faithful. I am a Christian, but I don't believe in Christ anyway. The reasons are many, Western civilization has gotten much further in Europe, and there's no longer the need for a fake God, something still alive in Arabia and the East.

 

[The Merengue]

so you are an atheist.your beloved west is not as far ahead as you think actually.why else would george w. bush use his recent discovery of religious commitment to win votes in the us elections?of course,in my opinion,that doesnt make them aadvanced.i am a firm believer in Allah,and my faith is unshakeable.
bhavz,i'm sorry i got your name wrong, mate.well,you've got the right to respect your religion,and it's not for me to argue,but i can defend(?) my religion.i think you have been misled.considering yourself to be of a particular religion is a state of mind.its not a contract.the most important thing is faith.and i'm safe in the knowledge that i've never for a second doubted Allah.and we dont have to say our prayers 5 times a day to be a muslim.hey,you people may call me a bad muslim,but what do i care bout you?its up to me to sort out my relationship with Allah.i dont say my prayer 5 times a day,although at stages i have,and i commit a lot of sins.but i still consider myself a good muslim,and its not sth i just tell myself.i really do feel that.
and as far as practicality goes,i dont wanna take a shot at hinduism,but where is the practicality in praying to a statue made by your own hands,or believing in another life?

 

[Bhavz]

I suggest that you read my reply properly before you start making accusations. Since when did I call you a bad muslim and when did I diss your religion. I merely stated the rituals my friends do. And next time do your research before you start bad-mouthing my religion:fero:. About practicality, who said we have to pray with two hands in front of a statue. We can pray how we like. That's what I mean by Hinduism being practical. Comments like these are just typical of ignorant people.
Anyway talk about your religion. What is so practical in girls having to cover their body head to toe with clothing or wearing a shawl every time they go out?
And about the other life. We believe in this 'cause we don't believe in Hell. We believe that gradually we'll get promoted into life in heaven depending on our actions in our previous life.

Basically what I'm saying is that we aren't forced to do things that we have to do just 'cause Allah might punish us. Our religion is about living life as a good person and that's it.

 

[labas]

Leave it be Merengue What's the difference in believing a prayer 5 times a day will salvage you, and praying to a statue? None whatsoever, just a tradition. I am not an atheist, I believe in something, certainly not God I do though believe in life after death...

 

[The Merengue]

ok labas.but i wanna reconcile with bhavz.listen mate,i never said YOU dissed my religion,what i meant by you was everyone in general.a misunderstanding on your pt.
i'm sorry bout what i said bout your religion,i really shouldnt have.a moment of madness.pl dont consider me a racist.i 've got may hindus as friends.well,i actually see very few girls covering themselves up headt to toe.its coz this is a rule that has been enforced only in the extremist islamic countries.like afghanistan,and i'm totally anti that.hindus dont have to do that,but your extremists like bal thackeray objected to a fashion show few yrs back,so there must be a law in your religion too that restricts women's exposure.this is a common flaw in both our religions.as far as hell and after life goes,i dont know,u blieve what u want and i blieve what i want.
THIS IS THE LAST TIME I POST BOUT THIS RELIGIOUS THINGY.
RaulG,i have heard of the bahai faith,although not mmuch.there was a d'mentary bout it on the nat geog channel last year.
bhavz,good win for india 2day over kenya.chill mate.lets start all over.talk soccer.real kicked valencia's ass last year,how did you like that?