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Heroe.....I just sent a PM to Styg so that he may make the changes we need here in the next couple of days, this your thread should a sticky one real soon. Ya' hear ???? :cap:
 

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Heroe.....I just sent a PM to Styg so that he may make the changes we need here in the next couple of days, this your thread should a sticky one real soon. Ya' hear ???? :cap:

Que bueno compañero.
 

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Which is better
The talent or career?

The best "deep-lying playmaker" in history chilean footbal, been David Pizarro (career) or Jose Luis Sierra (talent)?
 

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Pizarro AUN esta vigente, por lo tanto pienso que el cubrira ambas areas del futbol.

Since Pizarro continues playing, in a career MUCH longer than that of Sierra, I believe Pizarro will more than cover both the talent and span you are talking about.
 

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Dale Heroearaucano. Mas noticias ?????
Nothing, a month ago, I was very sure that Vidal was left-handed, even some media consignaban so, but apparently Vidal is ambidextrous but originally he used right foot. :wallbang:
 

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Los tenemos por todo el mundo y jugando muy bien.
 

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Los tenemos por todo el mundo y jugando muy bien.
Charles Aranguiz también salió elegido como el mejor jugador de la liga gaucha en el estado de campo grande del Sur, donde los mejores equipos son Internacional de Porto Alegre y Gremio. Este torneo históricamente ha sido tomado muy enserio por estos equipos. En Brasil los torneos estaduales tiene mucho reconocimiento y valor.

Charles salió elegido el mejor jugador de aquel torneo y sólo lleva una temporada en Brasil.

Fuente:
http://www.emol.com/noticias/deportes/2014/04/14/655374/charles-aranguiz-fue-elegido-el-mejor-jugador-del-torneo-gaucho-de-brasil.html
 

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Jaime Pizarro, best player of Chile 1987-1992, champion of Copa Libertadores de América.
Polifuncional: DM , Left wing back, box to box, distributor of play and great goalscorer of long distance.
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Chile is like the 4th-7th best South American team ever... After Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay. (Along with Paraguay, Peru and Colombia).
Wonder so many players with "Historical Level"
Bet all Brazilian players are Universal Level until the likes of Edmundo, Marcelinho Carioca and Paulo Nunes.
 

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You can learn a lot of Chile history by contacting Heroearaucano. He does'nt hang in here.
 

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Time to ADD Alexis to the LIST if nothing else.....120 CAPS with the National Team . La ROJA de todos :laugh:

Claudio se tranco en las 119 veces que ha jugado en la Seleccion.
 

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Top 5: Iván Zamorano encabeza el ránking de los chilenos más célebres de la historia del Inter de Milán
 

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Heroearaucao, I have a lot of respect for you, so, if you could help, I would really appreciate it.

I'm doing some research about 1950's WC. And I have serius problems about finding the right position and quality for some players.

Yout did in the All Time Chile Squad thread from Dearman a rank of chilean players, simillar to this one. I needed help with 3 players.

Miguel Busquets, Osvaldo Sáez and Paco Molina.

Miguel Busquets: in your list he's showed as a defender, CB. In general I find him listed as a midfielder.
In 1950 he was a starter in all games. I assumed he was really a MF.
I don't know exactly Chile's system, but usually everybody played in 2-3-5 or WM.
Manuel Álvarez is a RB, so prablably Chile played in a WM with him on the right. Arturo Farías was problably the CB.
Against USA, Machuca was a starter, suggesting he was a LB. Busquets would be a DM in that system, no? Maybe in the shape of Zakariás, almost a stopper, but, still a DM.
In the first two games Roldán was the starter instead of Machuca. I thought that Busquets could be the LB in this case, since you put Roldán as a DM, even though Roldán is a lateral izquierdo in Wikipedia.
But than another number made me think: Busquets had 15 goals in his career. A big number for a LB. Wich suggested he was indeed a DM.

Osvaldo Sáez: he didn't even showed up in your list. Seemed to me that he was a creative midfielder. Fought for a spot with Carvallo, maybe. But I was thinking of him and Carvallo as a creative AM (an inside forward),and the Chile's NT reports of 1950 made me think Carvallo was used more like a half back. Interesting. Anyway, the thing is that he was way more used to play for the NT than Carvallo, who was a legend (that team of Catolica in 49 was magical). Why so? Because of the position? Carvallo a HB and Saez more an inside forward? Wiki speaks of Sáez as a "volante ofensivo". I think that's more an IF than a HB, no?

Paco Molina wasn't in 50 WC but was an interesting player too. He was a HB in your list and a read an interview where he said that he asked one of his managers to put him ahead on the field, and the managerd denied it, because he was a really good playmaker. When I read the interview I tought that he was a inside forward also, because was almost impossible for my mind to see a HB being the top scorer of the 1953 south american championship. He did seven goals in six games! But makes sense, the inside forward was practically a striker, play as a HB was more reasonable analysing what he said.

Oh, another one. Raimundo Infante. He was quite "low" in your strikers list. He's the second greatest scorer from Católica and I read stories about him, saying that he didn't even like soccer, and retired soon after 1956, he wasn't ever 30 years old, to study architecture. Do you really thing he's down there?

Anyway, can you and everybody else here help me, please? :)

Thanks for the attention!

PS: you changed the position and the status of Atilio Cremaschi from your list the Chile's all time list. Why's that?
 

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Heroearaucao, I have a lot of respect for you, so, if you could help, I would really appreciate it.

I'm doing some research about 1950's WC. And I have serius problems about finding the right position and quality for some players.

Yout did in the All Time Chile Squad thread from Dearman a rank of chilean players, simillar to this one. I needed help with 3 players.

Miguel Busquets, Osvaldo Sáez and Paco Molina.

Miguel Busquets: in your list he's showed as a defender, CB. In general I find him listed as a midfielder.
In 1950 he was a starter in all games. I assumed he was really a MF.
I don't know exactly Chile's system, but usually everybody played in 2-3-5 or WM.
Manuel Álvarez is a RB, so prablably Chile played in a WM with him on the right. Arturo Farías was problably the CB.
Against USA, Machuca was a starter, suggesting he was a LB. Busquets would be a DM in that system, no? Maybe in the shape of Zakariás, almost a stopper, but, still a DM.
In the first two games Roldán was the starter instead of Machuca. I thought that Busquets could be the LB in this case, since you put Roldán as a DM, even though Roldán is a lateral izquierdo in Wikipedia.
But than another number made me think: Busquets had 15 goals in his career. A big number for a LB. Wich suggested he was indeed a DM.

Osvaldo Sáez: he didn't even showed up in your list. Seemed to me that he was a creative midfielder. Fought for a spot with Carvallo, maybe. But I was thinking of him and Carvallo as a creative AM (an inside forward),and the Chile's NT reports of 1950 made me think Carvallo was used more like a half back. Interesting. Anyway, the thing is that he was way more used to play for the NT than Carvallo, who was a legend (that team of Catolica in 49 was magical). Why so? Because of the position? Carvallo a HB and Saez more an inside forward? Wiki speaks of Sáez as a "volante ofensivo". I think that's more an IF than a HB, no?

Paco Molina wasn't in 50 WC but was an interesting player too. He was a HB in your list and a read an interview where he said that he asked one of his managers to put him ahead on the field, and the managerd denied it, because he was a really good playmaker. When I read the interview I tought that he was a inside forward also, because was almost impossible for my mind to see a HB being the top scorer of the 1953 south american championship. He did seven goals in six games! But makes sense, the inside forward was practically a striker, play as a HB was more reasonable analysing what he said.

Oh, another one. Raimundo Infante. He was quite "low" in your strikers list. He's the second greatest scorer from Católica and I read stories about him, saying that he didn't even like soccer, and retired soon after 1956, he wasn't ever 30 years old, to study architecture. Do you really thing he's down there?

Anyway, can you and everybody else here help me, please? :)

Thanks for the attention!

PS: you changed the position and the status of Atilio Cremaschi from your list the Chile's all time list. Why's that?
My friend, M. Busquets was side half in the South American Championship of 1945, and he was one of the two Chilean halfbacks in 1950 WC.
In 1951 Universidad of Chile Busquets was CB. This player had very good technique, distance distribution, coverage and shot, perfectly could be a fullback or libero today. Anyway, I'll move it to the classification as Exit Midfielder.

Fernando Roldán was polyfunctional, in the 1950 WC was CB, but in the Universidad Católica, was fullback on line of three. Even in the match against England, Fernando Roldán played as fullback and totally annulled to Stanley Matthews.

Regarding Osvaldo Sáez, I realize that you are absolutely right and I will enter my list.
Now, Carvallo was central halfs very similar to the exit midfielders distributor of play, but with a more offensive character (not so buscats). That style of player is the direct antecedent of the classic creative midfielder. In Chile they used shirt number 8, in Argentina (with a different process) they occupied shirt number 10.

While I write the answer to your messages, I solve the problem of the positions. You will understand that it is a difficult subject, because we are using concepts from different eras and styles. .

Recapitulating, to arrive at the notion of the classic creation flyer, we went through two tracks, the way from the Central Half or the route of the Left Insider.-

In the first path of the Centre half we have Carvallo.
In the second path of lefty insider we have Sáez and Paco Molina.

This conversation with you, makes me move the pieces, it might be better to place a Carvallo in the category of exit midfielder and Sáez and Molina as creative midfielders. Of all the forms, the three players can be cataloged like predecessors in the position of the classics South Americans Number 10s.

Regarding Infante, although he is a big player in the history of Chilean soccer, he made fewer goals than Ivo Basay, and the "hueso" had a very good professional career in France and Mexico. In less time, he was also Necaxa's second top scorer in one of the good times of the club.
 

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Here a PD: You know that? the family Carvallo, Fernando Riera, Raimundo Infante and Manuel Pellegrini were university students, prepared, from the catholic school and almost all engineers? Even with Salah (also a professional) they share the same style of play that gave the first identity to Chilean football. The cradle of Chile's style of play was the Catholic University of 50s.
 

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Equipo ideal de Chile escogido por la Revista Estadio en 1974.

En el recuento se extrañan a Elías Figueroa, Carlos Reinoso y Rubén Marcos.

No nombra a Alberto Quintano ni a Francisco Valdés, que sin duda, hasta el día de hoy trascienden.

Tampoco nombra a David Arellano, ni Ulises Poirier, considerando quizás que ya estaban fallecidos.

 
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