[Ze da Fiel]

F#$% off! only joking!!
One question?
to Alexx, Aquila, Natalya and Kafka.
WHo's the best brazilian to play for Lazio?
Amarildo , Djair....which other ones played for you guys?


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GAVIOES DA FIEL
Pelo Corinthians, com muito amor...ate o fim.
LHP - THE WORLD IS OURS!!!

 

[Alexx]

You didn't really ask for a future bound answer (Amarildo 89/90, just too early for me to judge, Djair, hmm ?), but anyway, I repeat me thinking Ze Roberto would be a fantastic buy for Lazio. I know you disagree, Ze, but I would put Ze Roberto before Rivaldo. Of course I admire Rivaldo for the outstanding class he has, but for that kind of money + a keyplayer sell, I'm not with that project.

Only know about one other brazilian Laziale

BATISTA (83/85)
(João Batista Da Silva; born Porto Alegre; midfielder). However, Ze, the guy came via Internacional & Gremio from p. and had to move to Avellino. Maybe he played with austrian forward Schoko Schachner there...)

That leads me to the first World Cup I was really following, the (for us) famous 1978 one. First round group was us, Brazil, Sweden & Spain. And guess who finished first in the table: Austria (despite losing 0x1 to Brazil). Later we trashed germany 3x2 and how good that was, Hans Krankl gave them the creeps...

Aquila, after that game our quite spectacular forward Hans Krankl was bought by Barcelona and was topscorer in Spain at once. I'm telling this for building up what I repeat over and over again, it just gives me so much pleasure. I guess you will like it too, Aquila

After a european Cup Final against german team Düsseldorf and scoring the winner for Barcelona, Hans Krankl told the press of the world:

"As long as I play, the germans will get what they need: goals, goals, goals...!"






[This message has been edited by Alexx (edited 26-04-2000).]

 

[Ze da Fiel]

I understand your point Alexx. Ze Roberto is a very tactical player.....very good for the squad. Attacks and defend, can dribble and knows "his way" on the pitch!
Also, hteir is this guy called Rodrigo Fabbri, who started with Ze Roberto, but after he went to Flamengo his football dissapeared. He's playd for Brazil, and today is lost in Majjorca i think. It be good for Lazio to get him.....after all with that Italian name it be easy to get him a EU passport....and he is brilliant! ANd plays in the same position as Rivaldo

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GAVIOES DA FIEL
Pelo Corinthians, com muito amor...ate o fim.
LHP - THE WORLD IS OURS!!!

 

[nasty nick]

none,both of them was big flops in lazio.
but if you had give me the question about the best brasilan player in roma i would say aldair or falcao.

 

[Ze da Fiel]

Thanks nasty nick,
What can you tell me about Renato GAucho's spell in ROma back in 88? I was living in Engalnd at the time....so could not get good info. I know he did not have a good time in ROme...what else did he do overtheir?
That guy is the biggest playboy of brazilian football ever!

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GAVIOES DA FIEL
Pelo Corinthians, com muito amor...ate o fim.
LHP - THE WORLD IS OURS!!!

 

[aquila]

Alexx, I have liked that very much
I have to sweep off the dust from my sticker albums I used to collect as a kid but in the end I've only found out what Alexx has already brilliantly explained.
If I remember well, Amarildo was a very religious guy, he used to present opponents with Bibles.
As for Renato Gaùcho, one word sums up his stay at R*** : Failure. And that's all.

SESF : South European Section of Fiel

 

[Alexx]

MESF

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[nasty nick]

like you said ze,renato was a big playboy and didn't play good in trainings.
he was a great player,but the coach didn't like him and he returned home to brazil after just one season.
who is socrates brother?
is it rai?

 

[Ze da Fiel]

yes nasty nick.....it is Rai.
He played brilliantly for Sao Paulo in the start of the 90's ..totally amazing, but for Brazil he was always a flop In the WC 94 he was a shame to the #10 legacy of the brazilian team
Did you see the Rio final of 95 Fluminense 3x2 Flamengo, Renato scored a goal with his belly on the last minute to give the title to Fluminense, on Flamengo's centennial year?? What a game....if you guys like emotion try getting that game!
Also Renato is a big Flamengo supporter despite taking their title with the belly in 95. He played for Gremio were he started.

Alexx might know this...Toyota Cup final 83...were Renato made the German left back, remind him that Garrincha's magic still existed.Gremio 2x 1 Hamburg....Renato ran wings round that Hamburg left back!
Pity that he only played 7 minutes of World Cup football..against Argentina in that tragic day on the Delle Alpi
What a WC to forget

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GAVIOES DA FIEL
Pelo Corinthians, com muito amor...ate o fim.
LHP - THE WORLD IS OURS!!!

 

[nasty nick]

i heard about a guy named ronaldao who played in wc 1994,he was old,but didnt play anything.
do you know him?

 

[Kafka]

Ze, I know evrybody in Brazil wants to forget the 90 WC, but why on earth didn't Romario get to play then. He was by far the best Brazilian striker that year but Muller played the whole tournament instead.

 

[Ze da Fiel]

KAfka,
Romario was injured, and Bebeto did not play because oof politics between Careca and Lazaroni (what a stupid manager)...CAreca was big friends with Muller, as tehy played together in Sao Paulo, then he wanted Muller to partener him, when Bebeto was clearly the best player!
Same thing to what happend to Edmundo in 98...but this time Bebeto was the bad guy.

Nasty,
Ronaldao is a big defender, he plays for POnte Preta today. He played in the glory years of Sao Paulo in the start of the 90's and was a late call for the WC, like Aldair was due to many injuries that the swuad had. Actually Marcio Santos and Aldair were NOT in the original list to the WC in 94!
Ronaldao has also played in Santos and Japan!
Another thing,....Ronaldinho is called Ronaldinho beacause of Ronaldao....both of them were Ronaldo's then one turned into "inho" and the other into "ao"!

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GAVIOES DA FIEL
Pelo Corinthians, com muito amor...ate o fim.
LHP - THE WORLD IS OURS!!!

 

[Kafka]

Are you sure about Romario being injured, because I was in Italy at the time and I remember how the Brazilian fans were really upset that Romario didn't get to play. I saw the match against Sweden, in which Careca scored twice and the fans still chanted "Romario" for the whole second half. Could they have been unaware of Romario's injury?

Also I'm pretty sure he played in one game, against Scotland I think. I've never liked Bebeto much but against Argentina playing with Careca and Muller for the whole game was just insane. I think Bebeto played fifteen minutes in the whole tournament.

 

[pool_till_I_die]

Yeah cos when Ronaldo played in the olympics (when Brazil were beaten by Nigeria and an inspired Kanu) they called him Ronaldhino. Then when he played for Barce he was Ronaldo again. I got very confused.
Also why was Pele called Pele and not Edson, I think there was another player called Edson but just need it clarrifying. Also could you give me some info on the guy.

 

[Alexx]

Natalya, I'm not really sure if I would say Lazio forum pi***esme off these days (by the way, Ze, no wonder that word starts with a p like p. )

But I'm very much with you in terms of thinking it's geting boring there. Topics come again and again in circles, plus Mattias and Emir (Emir just again yesterday) make a mistake by giving the "strictly Lazio" rule. A forum has to do with people and therefore with socialising, making friends, giving information on life in different countries, etc .

We do it here and that's exactly the reason why this forum exploded with energy.

By the way, Natalya, Kafka, Aquila (and the next generation) how did you connect ?

I remember quite some time ago when I first had contact with Ze, we actually had a very fierce fight in the Lazio forum. Like ten posts full of turbo anger...

Then we made friends and when he opened this forum, I tried to help him building it with posting news and stuff and then with trying to kick socialising.

Amo was there from the beginning as well, contributing serious football information and questions to Ze.

What about you, what was your ticket to the sheer pleasures of being here

CESF



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[Natalya]

Ok, so this is mainly to Alexx, Aquila, Kafka and includes Amo...is anyone else getting pis*ed off by the current state of the Lazio forum?? I remember when it used to informative and nice to post, with us lot, Svennis, Matt and Emir, but now...it is a state!!!!

Sorry just went there and got annoyed!People are so rude there now!

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WESF

 

[Natalya]

Well Alexx the credit for my contributions (?) here all go to you...we were having a friendly topic in the Lazio forum, you, Amo and me, when you told me that I thought that was getting out of hand I should visit the Brazilian forum...so I did!

So Ze, you know who is to blame for me being here, and I'd ban him!!



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WESF

 

[Ze da Fiel]

Alexx,
I mean that fight on the Lazio forum got out of hane cause people did not understand me at the time! I was already chating with Glen in the Inter forum, and I don't think he agreed with me (but he would if hte knew what i Was talking about), then we had a discussion in the Lazio forum which turned into a fight
Anyway, I did tell Glen back then, that in The World cup Corinthians were going to win (like they did ) and that Corinthians had the best midfield of the world...which we did Probabaly will still have, although Rincon would be better than Edu..although Edu is still brilliant...but need to mature his football! He din't accept that....but I was right , cause we prooved it on the pitch!

Amoroso, why did you tell Natalya to come to take a look at the Brazilian forum? Nothing against you Natalya we need a feminine opinion here..you and Kat

Pool,
Pele was his nickname since young. In Brazil we only call players one names, or thei nicknames It's part of the footballing culture......not even Portugal does that!
Vampeta......is the mixuture of Vampira with the Beast.... Vampiro and Capeta....turned into Vampeta just to give you and example. But thebest nickname is a boy in Vitoria..his name is Alan Delon!

Kafka,
Romario was injured, but was returning back to form. He had ligaments problems in PSV, and in the WC agasint the Scotland he could not even run properly That thing with Careca and Muller was all politics, like 98WC and what Luxemburgo is doing now....Marcelinho and Romario should definitly play in this team...but he is an arrogant twat!

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GAVIOES DA FIEL
Pelo Corinthians, com muito amor...ate o fim.
LHP - THE WORLD IS OURS!!!

 

[Kafka]

Also one thing I don't like currently in the Lazio forum is that whenever someone just hints at there being something wrong with our team a couple of the guys (you know who) go **%¤%"¤$$****[email protected]@***** ****@]£*£*****£@[£[£$*****[email protected]£@#!*****/¤"!&*****¤!&****!(¤!)¤!

And then come five more topics called "To all the fake-fans" and "Are you a real fan?"

To me, that's boring...

I don't even know how I got into THIS forum! I wasn't invited or anything, guess I just crashed in.

NESF

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[Alexx]

Ze, I don't know how many fights you had in the Lazio forum but our's was a different one...

I don't remember the exact orgin, but you told Laziali something like "if you want to win trophies finally, you have to upload on brazilian players, because brazilian players are the only ones worth something"

Maybe the discussion at the stage I jumped in was already a bit heated, but I basically told you to shut up ( ) and more I did not need, because you told me that I'm the one who should f*'''* shut up because austrian footballers are a complete failure and so on and so on

As I realized that you backed up the curse with great football knowledge and you also knew Hans Krankl (the one with the "as long as I play..., Aquila ), I thought, OK the guy has to be respected after all and I closed the fight.

And then I asked you for tips on brazilian games via e-mail, for that prediction game (the lame guy just did not reopen yet). The rest is history. I am now the proud CESF