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Honestly i think it is ridiculous to say that it is only the linesman's fault. the truth is Croatia outplayed Italy simple and lets give them the respect they deserve for that.

BUT!!!!! I have said it on this forum for over a year now Giovanne Trapatoni is a coward

1> Trapatoni resembles a politician. Starts his career in Hungary with Fiore Del Piero Totti and Inzaghi in the line up with a 3 man defence and now has retreated and retreated on his word until his side now plays with 4 defenders 4 defencive midfielder 1 attcking midfielder and one solitary centre forward. Typical politician. Promises alot and delivers so little when it reall counts

2> What kind of a [email protected] plays for two years with a 3 man defence and then decides to play the most important month of his life with 4 men in defence? To accomodate probably the most inform Italian player in the defence namely Panucci? really....then tell me y can't he play left wing back then? Or in the back three as he does at Roma with Maldini ta left wing back?

3> What kind of a jack @RSSE plays with two strikers and one playmaker for two years and then decides to play the most important month of his life with 1 striker and one attacking from midfield? What is he trying to prove?

4> I can see this from Miles away and Trapatoni can't. Vieri is not Ronaldo or Shevchenko. You cannot play him by himself up front without any help and expect him to get the ball and simply do something with it. Vieri cannot help Italy if as soon as any Italian player gets the ball the organized defences of the 2002 world cup know the ball is abt to fall at Vieri's feet. Just mark out Vieri and the game becomes static as we saw again Croatia. Because Vieri is the only forward option for Totti.

5> I hope those that constantly push this "Trust the coach B.S." now acknowledge the peez of SH!T that Trapatoni is. He wants to be the star. He wants people to say.....oh.....this is Trapatoni's signature on the team. WHY THE PHUCK ELSE would Doni get another game for Italy ever after his hilarious showing in the first game? Y is there no Montella Del Piero or Inzaghi? All that is needed is for one other person even if it is pathetic Del Piero to play along side Vieri to distract the team. Its juts phuckin pathetic.

Is Trapatoni an ass? Read the following and assess for yourselves.

Angelo Di Livio on when trailing 1-2 in a world cup finals game.....

Giovanne Trapatoni is not the man to lead Italy

SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!! He is an ass. How the hell cud he do that to Baggio, where is Ambrosini? Where is Vieri's strike partner. How the phuck can u use 3 backs for over 2 years and then sudden;y switch to 4.

COWARD!!! Now that it really counts its the same Cesare Maldini bullSH!T

I remember games like ROmania when Italy just came in all guns blazing and blew the phoaking doors down.

hahahaah we miss the good old days of Zoff.
 

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Tazz

this is why i respect u more than all of these other twats puttogether

u aint blaming us or the lineman. plain and simple italia sucked today, deserved to lose...and trap well what a *****, didnt even get DP or Montella to warm up
esp after the **** game totti had.....zanetti was pure crap he did **** all, bench his pathetic ass

bet ambro is laughing now as is fiore

trap is a moron...luckily the only team i love more than italia profited from it

CROATIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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TAZZ said:
Honestly i think it is ridiculous to say that it is only the linesman's fault. the truth is Croatia outplayed Italy simple and lets give them the respect they deserve for that.

Who are you kidding TAZZ? The linesman was up to something. Listen up, I'm Portuguese and it's in my best interest that Italy loses 'cause Portugal may come in 2nd in their group and would have to play the first place team in Italy's group.

So I am honest in my assessment of the game: the ref was obviously up to something. 2 unbelievably dubious calls! Not 1 but 2! Any other ref in the world would have let a 50/50 situation where he wasn't sure slide. Atleast let it slide the second time 'round. But to disallow 2 GOOD GOALS?

SOMETHINGS UP! I would not be even the slightest bit surprised if something becomes of this. FIFA will investigate this due to Italian pressure after or during the WC and the chit will hit the fan!

I STILL CAN"T BELIEVE IT!!!! What a farce!

Forca Italia!
 

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Tazz,

Trap has been successful at all levels so he has earned some degree of support and I do not think of his changes as cowardice as much as just plain old Italian conservatism ... which bites us in the butt again and again.

When will Italy get a coach who realizes that the best defense is a good offense? Our record of protecting 1-0 leads in the WC is pathetic, less than 50% I think.

We need to realize that only a two goal lead is sufficient to change to a totally defensive posture. This one goal and defend act is old and passe.

As you say, the mistakes are in the player selection. Seeing DiLivio as the first option off the bench each game is sickening. Our midfield could be so much better with the players left home. Ambrosini's absence is so pronounced. To hear Trap talk about starting Gatusso, for crying out loud.

Also your points about Vierri as the lone forward is correct. Vierri does not have the speed or dribbling skill to create on his own. He is great at finishing but he has a hard time advancing the ball into the box on his own.

Where is Montella? That is all I can say in despair.
 

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TAZZ said:
...BUT!!!!! I have said it on this forum for over a year now Giovanne Trapatoni is a coward...
hahahaah we miss the good old days of Zoff.
Bladi bladi blah blah...Figures you'd crawl out of the woodwork and spew forth your usual tired s hite. Itally scored three goals to two, ergo a victory under normal circumstances, ergo Trap has forged a winning team. Name me a coach, A who has never lost a game, and B who can assurel the quality of the refs...

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TAZZ said:
...BUT!!!!! I have said it on this forum for over a year now Giovanne Trapatoni is a coward...
hahahaah we miss the good old days of Zoff.
Bladi bladi blah blah...Figures you'd crawl out of the woodwork and spew forth your usual tired s hite. Itally scored three goals to two, ergo a victory under normal circumstances, ergo Trap has forged a winning team. Name me a coach, A who has never lost a game, and B who can assurel the quality of the refs...

Predictable dolt-oid
 

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Hey ppl dont curse traps .........plz..........i think we should curse him if italia doesnt qualify!!!.........:angel: ........i think he will start against mexico with 2 strikers and totti(he has 2:mad: ).....................vieri-inzaghi(montella)
 

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I'm not one of Trappatoni's biggest fans (I think his selection both of the team and the tactics are madness) but on the game with Croatia Italy scored 3 goals and conceded 2. Thats a win in my books. Italy has a tradition of winning without playing good.

The referees screwed Italy. Trappatoni has his responsibilities for his team playing badly, but his team still won and I'm never going to blame a coach who won a game. Simple as that.

PS. The three man defence was scrapped so Maldini fits in the line up. It would be a crime leaving Panucci out and Maldini cant cut it as a wing back anymore. He can barely cut it as a left back.
 

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The back line was OK...whether 3 or 4....until Nesta got out. Materazzi froze at crucial moments and he missed some important clearence. As for Trap, I thought he would sub Inzaghi is earlier, but perhaps Vieri scored and was delayed. At the end, the linesman played a big part in the outcome of the score. Croatia played with a good spirit.

Its normal to dig up old stuff when the team is in a loss. Tazz is still a huge fan, I think.

Cheers!
 

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The truth is Trap has to wake up, sure we got screwed up by the ref and shall have won. But we played really poor.

1. Why playing with only Vieri on top? We have the best attack in the world with Montella, Inzaghi, Vieri, DP etc.

2. He favorize some players, why always Di Livio in as first sub? Also Doni shouldn't be playing from start he's not been good at all.

3. Defence problem. Without Nesta as central defender i dunno what to think. Materazzi wasn't good. Also i would be better not playing with a 4 man defence. Is Trap up to bench Maldini? He's another "former" star, but still untouchable.

I've realized he's not better then Zoff or Maldini, Tazz don't mention Zoff he was a useless Sh!t coach too with his defencive tactics that costed us the gold.
 

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After 20 minutes I was shouting that we needed Del Piero. Apart from his assist, Doni didn't too much. Totti had to play in his own position and we needed a second striker. But I wanted especially DP because we needed a creative player and a free-kick specialist. Free-kicks can always be a bonus. And yesterday we had a lot of free-kicks. That were all spoilt chances
 

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Whats your problem? :confused: Cant the fans discuss about Italy?

Get lost and go brag about your cheap win elsewhere.
 

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trap is a *****........i bet the italian media wont even get on his ass today because all they are thinking about is the two disallowed goals (which should have counted again lol)

remember two days before the game trap said inzaghi would start for sure and that doni would sit because he was the most mediocre player on the team?????.........3 defence is perfect for italy because tommasi and di biagio (zanetti yesterday) are defensive so inturth you defend in 5 and let your wingers run wild (panucci and zambrotta)....these games have affirmed zambrottas status as a top player..........but the worst thing i have ever seen is while trailing 2-1 trap is thinking of putting on di livio.........
 

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I respect personality of Trappatoni a lot. And I really can't call such a respected person in the whole world crowd. He is a real legend of the world soccer, who won absolutely everything at the club level.
Still, nothing is lost, and we must hope, hope that we beat Mexico. I would really like to see faces of those who blame Trap if we win WC...What would you say:"I love him, he is just great"...
Oh come on , people, emotions-the biggest enemies of any person(sometimes). So try to hide them(also sometimes).
 

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De Zerbi said:
but the worst thing i have ever seen is while trailing 2-1 trap is thinking of putting on di livio.........

Not many worse decisions can be made than that.
TAZZ I agree with some of the things you say but still, we can go to the next round and I have trust in our coach. After the world cup we can really criticise or praise him. :D
 

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The referee and linesmen sucked, Trap leaves DP and Montella on the bench the whole game , when we really needed goals, Pippo plays 15 or so minutes, Totti is playing out of position, BUT we also have to thank that INTER GOON MATERAZZI for causing BOTH goals . Nice job pal !!!!
 

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Tazz, Trapatoni cant play for the players. Zanetti was playing sh!tty. When he played at Roma with Tomassi he used to intercept and ditrsibute the balls very well. Yesterday he was almost invisible, and whatever he tried to do, he didnt succeed. Tomassi was running around like a head less chicken. Totti was so overly arrogant that he blew away three good free kick chances for Italy in the first half. One of them being right outside the penalty area.

Maldini couldnt deffend to save his life, far less close down the Croatians right side. And these are not the tactical mistakes Trap made, these are the faults the players made. They would have made these mistakes no matter where they had been placed on the field.

I do admit that Doni was played once again out of position, and he didnt know what to do. Vieri was alone on top, and seemed even worse then Batistuta did for Roma this season. And these are the tactical mistakes Trap made, but like I said he can not play for the players.

But, all this would not have mattered if Materazzi had not acted like a boy scout on a camping trip, hell even a 36 years old Costacurta with his both legs broken could have done a better job then Materazzi did yesterday. He was absolutely pathetic in almost every attempt he made to kick away the ball. It was like he was missing on the ball on purpose, like it was his objective to see how many balls he could miss on.

Those controversial calls is something I do not even want to talk about, because I know if the players had not made elementary mistakes, Italy would never have needed those goals in the first place.

Trap didnt loose the game for Italy, the players did, and Materazzi more then anyone else. There are very few occasions where a player can make such a negative impact on a game, this was definitley one of those cases. Materazzi was absymal. He had no job being on the field.

Trap can not play for the players, he made mistakes, I'll admit it, he was a coward, I'll admit it, but it was the players who lost the game, because it was the players who underperformed and made elementary mistakes.
 

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...Trap didnt loose the game for Italy, the players did...
Trap can not play for the players...it was the players who underperformed and made elementary mistakes.
Right on, Drac, maybe this sweet and simple truth won't be lost on even Tazz, the pompous know-it-all
 
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