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Who is the Nordic's 2nd best side?

  • AIK Solna (SWE)

    Votes: 4 18.2%
  • SK Brann Bergen (NOR)

    Votes: 4 18.2%
  • Brøndby IF (DEN)

    Votes: 2 9.1%
  • Haka Valkaekoski (FIN)

    Votes: 1 4.5%
  • Stabæk IF (NOR)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Helsingborg (SWE)

    Votes: 3 13.6%
  • Silkeborg (DEN)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • HJK Helsinki (FIN)

    Votes: 1 4.5%
  • Viking Stavanger (NOR)

    Votes: 1 4.5%
  • FC Kobenhavn (DEN)

    Votes: 2 9.1%
  • Halmstad (SWE)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Tromsø IL (NOR)

    Votes: 1 4.5%
  • AaB Aalborg (DEN)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • IFK Göteborg (SWE)

    Votes: 3 13.6%
  • Molde FK (NOR)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • MFF (SWE)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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I thought that with all of Scandinavia's leagues now into action, that we make a poll to see who everyone thinks Scandinavia's 2nd best best team is (Rosenborg being the best :doh: :D ). Recent performances & results over the past few years have both been considered :)
 

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It was a tough call? Who's Norway's second best team? Molde or Brann? Swedens best team? HIF or AIK? Denmarks best team? Brøndby, Silkeborg or FCK?

In all history IFK and Brøndby are the best, even alongside Rosenborg. I also consider Brøndby to be the easily the best danish team today, so they are really high up. Both because of economy, finance, and results. In Sweden it is almost impossible to tell, but I give to win to AIK by an inch, as HIF might not be able to live up to the expectations after losing so many good players the last years. In the end I gave my vote to Brann, because of the great results this winter against the best danish and swedish sides, because of what is to come, and because of the great quality of their squad. The big minus, is if they need to sell players, but I hope they can keep them the rest of the season.

So right now;
1. Rosenborg
2. Brann
3. AIK
4. Brøndby (so low because they didn't manage to qualify for the champions league)
5. Molde
6. Helsingborg
7. FCK
8. Silkeborg
 

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I'm still doing my research & having a look at what others have to say before i made a decision :D :) so i don't :embarass: myself with any incorrect statements.

BTW liked the Joke in the Confederations Cup forum :cool: :dielaugh:. It took me a few reading before i got the whole joke :nervous: :eek:, but it was worth it :)

The other joke in Marie's topic was very good also :cool: :happy:. Thankfully it only took me one reading to get that one :D :sigh:

BTW Haven't Brann been on the end of some floggings from quite a few Tippeliga teams, most recently a 7-1 defeat from Stabaek, and 9-0 &....... 10-0!!!! :eekani: :tongue: defeats from Rosenborg a few years ago! :D :wth:. Please explain :confused:

[Edited by Andreas Speck on 27-04-2001 at 14:46]
 

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Some of the results from last season. Rosenborg - Brann - 4-4, Brann - Rosenborg - 1-1, Molde - Brann - 1-3, Viking - Brann - 2-6, Brann - Tromsø IL 2-0 (I have left out a lot of good wins, these were the first I could remember)

Remember that in the next two matches after their loss to Stabæk, Brann scored altogether 10 goals in two matches against Haugesund and Viking.

The big losses against RBK are many years ago, where none of the current Brann players played. The issue at hand is the side that is the second best right now. Right now it is Brann. Historically it is IFK and Brøndby.
 

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Valid point Orange, but Viking, Stabaek & Tromso have all had a few big wins over Good teams in the past 2 seasons (Stabaek wiped the floor with just about everyone last season :cool: :tongue: :happy: :proud: ).

I voted for Viking because they have performed consistently well recently & over the past few seasons :cool: :D :smileani:. The recorded an impressive double over Tromso (2-5A & 2-1H, & Tromso drew & beat RBK last yr 1-1 & 2-0 ). Viking themselves beat RBK 1-2A.

Tromso hammered Brann 5-0 in 1999 (still recent enough IMO) & Molde beat them Home & Away. However Brann did the double against RBK that year :cool:.

Viking have also had better results in Europe. In 1999/2000 they beat Sporting Lisbon in the first round of the UEFA Cup easily & only went out to Werder Bremem (who are Cup Specialists) on the Away goals rule after drawing 0-0 in Norway & 2-2 in Germany :depress: :sigh:.

I don't know what it is with Brann but i just have a bad vibe about them. I guess i won't get converted until i see them play week in week out, along with the other Tippeliga teams (which wont happen :sob: :depress: :moan: :( ). And Brann were lucky to even qualify for the UEFA cup after scraping past some "no-name" team in the qualifying round :wth:

As for the other teams, well i am still not convinced by AIK either :doh:. They had a poor year last year considering their finances & this year has not started too well either :tongue: :howler: :rollani:. I don't know much about HIF except they were not very impressive in the CL and just put 10 men behind the ball after the first 3 rounds. Halmstad are the most impressive team IMO. Won 2 of the last 3 championships, knocked Benfica out of the 1st round of the UEFA cup and pushed 1860Munchen all the way before losing 5-4 on agg. They have also recorded an impressive 3-0 defeat of Parma a few years ago (but lost the return leg 4-0 :eekani: :nasty: ). And their 5-0 defeat of Elfsborg last round shows they are still a quality team.

As for Denmark, well i cannot argue against Brondby as the best team. They have a UEFA cup semi final spot to show for that and until recently have dominated the Superliga. However, i don't think they are quite as strong as they were pre-champions league 1998/1999 when they seemed to be mroe of an attacking force with Christensen & Rasmussen & were stronger in midfield & defence with the likes of Ole Bjur, Alan Ravn & Soren Colding . Now they have Graulund (spelling?? ) & Bagger in attack who are apparently nowhere near as good. And i think FCK haev always been up there with Brondby. Any danes or anyone else tell me if i am wrong cause i am only going on what i have read & the little i have seen :embarass: :nervous: :D

So My rankings right now are
1) Rosenborg
2) Viking
3) Brondby
4) Brann
5) Halmstad
6) Stabaek
7) AIK
8) FC Kobenhavn
 

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Just some quick stats;

2000, Brann 2nd, Viking 3rd, Molde 7th

In 1999 Viking were only 8th if you count that far back :)
Molde was 2nd, Brann was 3rd.

98; Molde 2nd, Viking 4th, Brann 6th
97; Brann 2nd, Molde 4th, Viking 8th

Brann also beat Tromsø 2-0 in one of the matches last season.

Brann was in the quarterfinal of the Cup Winners cup a few years ago, beating PSV on thier way there.

Molde had a great run in the Champions League.

Viking's Sporting result is not that impressive if you ask me, Sporting was good at the time, but not Champions League class :)

These are the positions the last 4 years;

Brann 2+6+3+2 = 13
Molde 4+2+2+7 = 15
Stabæk 5+3+5+5 = 18
Viking 8+4+8+3 = 23
Lillestrøm 10+8+4+6 = 28
Tromsø 12+11+6+4 = 33

Best performance by another team;
97; Strømsgodset nr 3
98; Bodø/Glimt nr 5
99; Odd Grenland nr 7
00; Odd Grenland nr 8

[Edited by Orange on 02-05-2001 at 14:43]
 

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First of all.Great tactics by you Andreas by not including Djurgården.We all know how objectvie this poll would have been at this forum then..:rollani:

Maybe I should be a little embarassed by my choice of vote,I don´t know.I voted for Helsingborg since I thought they were the best Swedish team in this poll and since I haven´t seen any Norwegian teams they were my only choice :doh:
 

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Helsingborg is good choice in my opinion, they have been in the top in Sweden many years in a row, they won the league, played in the Champions League etc etc Their recent loss of players worried me, but their start in the Allsvenskan hasn't been too bad :)
 

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I think this is quite impossible to discuss as I suppose you have as difficult a time getting Danish league football as I have getting Norwegian.
I watch some Allsvenskan highlights though as I get Sweden 1+2 and TV4, and I must admit I think the standart is pretty low.

Recently- Denmark has sucked big time in Europe and thus I suppose you have some valid claims as far as strenght goes (on that account) seing Danish teams pretty far down in the rankings made so far.

One argument in favour of Danish clubs could be the amount of Swedish, Norwegian NT players here (or top players at least) in addition to a growing number of talented Africans and obviously some (at least) good Danish players :).

Brøndby IF: Mattias Jonson, Magnus Svensson, Krister Nordin.

FCK: Staale Solbakken, Todi Jönsson (Iceland, class act).

AaB: Frank Strandli, Tore Andre Dahlum, Anders Andersson, Kleber Särenpää.

These are the most prominent I could think of right now, and it indicates that Danish clubs have more buying power than the majority of their Scandinavian counterparts (bar Rosenborg ofcourse).

Right now it's very difficult to say which team is the best in Denmark, but inside the next couple of years- I think FCK will overtake the others, as they have the biggest potential followed only by Brøndby.

My favourite team Silkeborg hasn't got the same oppportunities as they're from a smalltown (relatively) while the big teams are from Copenhagen.

One note- Have any of you Swedes followed the "Ørestads Cup" (reserve team's tournament)? The Swedish teams are getting NUKED :).

Btw. I voted for Brøndby as the 2.nd team based on domestic/international results over the last 10 years.

Using that as a measuring stick there can be no doubt, although IFK's cup can't be forgotten (but that was in the eighties right ?).

Ciao.
 

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I just saw the stats on Brann Bergen (how can they have 5 votes btw. ?), and thought I would counter with Brøndby's (although I really dislike them :yuck: ).

Last 10 seasons (starting with 90/91): 1,7,3,3,2,1,1,1,2,2.
Add to that the second best Scandinavian record in Europe for the time (Rosenborg obviously miles ahead).

I rest my case.... :).

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I voted for Branm because I think they have the best team right now, when I brought up the results from the past years, I did so to prove Andreas wrong when he compared the various Norwegian teams recent record in Norway. Brann has been the second best team the last few years, they have been the team with most exciting players, and they are without a shadow of a doubt the team in Norway with most potential.

Obviously Brøndby has had great results in Denmark, but if we are to consider Rosenborg as out of this poll, a first place in Denmark and a second place in Norway would be the same thing, Brann has been second several times.

Subjectively I would also like to add that I have never seen a scandinavian team play better or more entertaining football than Brann did when they reached the quarterfinal of the CWC a few years ago. Brøndby in my mind, hasn't been good in Europe since the middle of the nineties, climaxing with their loss against Hamburg last season.

While Brøndby seem to be haunted by danish people claiming that they are playing poor football, it is quite the opposite in Norway, as everyone knows that no one put on a better show than Brann(and their spectators) in each and every match.

Right now Brann has totally wiped the last danish teams thay have met off the field, and coach Thordarson has a squad of both young(mainly) and older players that mix well together. It seems as if the team has gotten a shaky start to the season, but this happens every year, and they will come back stronger. We will see in this seasons Champions League if Brann has the quality needed to get to there and prove me right with excellent football.

[Edited by Orange on 02-05-2001 at 14:04]
 

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I am quite surprised that 2 Swedish teams & HJK all have more votes than all the Norwegian teams (except Brann of course):wth: :confused: :moan:. Even though i took Historical records into consideration for this poll, i think that more weighting should be given to current performances :doh: :hopefull:. Hence the reason teams like Midtjylland are not in this poll :)

IF we look at performances this season (2000/2001) and last season (1999/2000) in Europe, the Norwegian teams are superior

1999-2000 UCL

Norway
* Rosenborg (2nd group phase, direct qualification)
* Molde (1st group phase, beat Olympiakos, qualified from 2nd qualifying round)

Sweden
*AIK (1st group phase, no wins, 1 draw, qualified from 3rd qualifying round)

Denmark
no representatives in CL. Aalborg lost in 3rd qualifying round to Kiev (i think? ), Brondby lost 6-4 on agg to Boavista, who were pumped by RBK 5-0 agg in the group phase)

Finland
No representatives in the CL (Haka lost 7-1 agg to mighty :dielaugh: Rangers :rollani: ;) )

1999-2000 UEFA cup
Norway
* Viking (2nd round, lost on away goals rule to Werder Bremen, won 18-0 agg in qual rnd)
* Stabaek (1st round, lost 2-1 agg to Deportivo)
* Bodo / Glmit (1st round, lost 6-1 agg to Bremen)

Sweden
* Helsingborg (2nd round. lost 4-1 agg to Parma, scraped thru rnd 1 by 4-2 on penalties to lowly Karpaty Lyiv)
* IFK Goteborg (2nd Round, lost to Roma 3-0 agg, scraped thru rnd 1, 2-1 agg against Lech (POL)

Denmark
* AB (1st rnd, lost 3-1 agg to Grasshopper (SWI) )
* AaB (1st Rnd. lost 3-1 agg to Udinese )
* Brondby (1st rnd, lost 5-4 agg to Amica (POL)
* Lyngby (1st rnd, lost 5-1 agg to Lok Moscow )

[/i] Finland [/i]
* HJK, (1st rnd, lost 6-1 agg to Lyon )

2000-2001 UCL
Norway
* Rosenborg (1st group phase. 3rd place, 3rd rnd UEFA cup, lost to finalists Alaves 4-2 agg)

Sweden
* Helsingborgs IF (1st phase, 4th place, 1 win, 2 draws, played with 10 men behing the ball & still got hammered 6-1 by RBK. Lucky win against the Hapless Inter Milan and :eek: drew 0-0 with BATE of Belarus :dielaugh: )

Denmark
* No representatives (Brondby failed again :doh:, this time 2-0 agg against Hamburg in Qual Rnd 3, and Brondby were the seeded team :wth: )

Finland
No representatives (Haka lost 1-0 agg to Inter (Slovakia) in Qual rnd 2 )

2000-2001 UEFA Cup

Norway
* Lillestrom (2nd round, lost to finalists Alaves 5-3 agg, beat Dynamo Moscow 4-3 agg in Rnd 1)
* Molde (1st rnd, lost 2-1 agg to Rayo Vallecano )
* SK Brann (1st rnd, lost 7-6 agg to Basel (SWI) :(

Sweden
* Halmstad (2nd rnd, lost 5-4 agg to TSV 1860 Munich )
* AIK (1st Rnd, lost to Herfolge 2-1 agg in extra time :dielaugh: )
* Orgryte (1st rnd, 4-1 agg to Rapid Wien (AUT)
* Norkopping (1st rnd, 4-3 agg to Sloban Liberec (CZE)

Denmark
* Viborg (1st rnd, lost 2-2 agg on AWAY goals to Rayo Vallecano)
* Herfolge (2nd rnd, lost 6-1 agg to AEK Athens )
* Brondby (1st rnd, lost 2-1 agg to lowly Osijek of Croatia :dielaugh: )
* AB (1st rnd, lost 5-0 agg to Slavia Praha )

[Edited by Andreas Speck on 02-05-2001 at 15:03]
 

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One argument in favour of Danish clubs could be the amount of Swedish, Norwegian NT players here (or top players at least) in addition to a growing number of talented Africans and obviously some (at least) good Danish players :).FCK: Staale Solbakken, AaB: Frank Strandli, Tore Andre Dahlum.
I will agree to Solbakken being a star in the Norwegian league when he played there, but he has never had success outside scandinavia. As for Strandli, Dahlum and Lars Bohinen, Lyngby they are bot big stars anymore. All three were some of our biggest stars 10 years ago. Dahlum as topscorer, Strandli as promising, and Bohinen as a our star player. Since then(apart from Dahlums reasonably good year(s) in Rosenborg, they have done nothing right. Strandli is getting fat and was never good enough for Panathinaikos, Dahlum has been a mediocre player in most clubs he has been in and was a gigantic failure in Belgium, Bohinen almost didn't play a match for Derby the last two season, and the reason why he didn't return to Norwegian football was that the topclubs didn't want him.

Thomas Myhre, class act goalkeeper, FCK has big money and has loaned Everton's reserve goalkeeper out this season. Not bad, and alongside Solbakken you have two good Norwegian players. But a club in Norway can do the same thing, Lyn has Hassan El Fakiri of Monaco and Runar Berg of Venezia on loan, and Lyn isn't exactly Norway's biggest club.

Conclusion; I am not too impressed by the norwegian players you mentioned, but I would be very surprised if the danish league doesn't have a lot of good players, but so does the Norwegian league, so your argument doesn't stand.
 

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Fantastic work Andreas, but I am certain that Finland had a representative in qualification round 2 of the CL.

Brann was easily the best team against Basel and even had a comfortable lead at one point. How they managed to lose that one is a mystery to me(some red cards or something), but it will all be forgotten if they do good this season.

And again, thank you Andreas for your splendid work :)

PS the reason why I wrote two posts in a row was to highlight Andreas' achievment :smielani:

I also added Lillestrøm, and the best league performance the last 4 years by teams not in this poll from Norway in my previous post.
 

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I was considering adding Lillestrom to the poll as they were 3rd a few years ago (lost 2nd place on the last day to Molde ) and have been consistent in Eliteserien for a while. I guess all the doubt surrounding their pre-season form & loss of players as well as the fact that there is more Norwegian teams compared to any of the other nations in this poll made me leave them out :oops: :embarass: :doh:


And thanks for the compliment :happy: :proud:

Finland did have a rep. I was too lazy to search, but i will now and add it as soon as possible :)

[Edited by Andreas Speck on 02-05-2001 at 15:03]
 

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Eeh... where is MFF??? :rolleyes:
Ok, DIF aren't worth to be at the last, but MFF are!!!
I don't have time now to tell about everything they've won, but they are good enough. Just wait and see...

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She is pissed.Good job Andreas :rollani:...I really hope she doesn´t have PMS right now because then I will leave Xtratime for the day :D

WATCH OUT FOR THE FREAKING MFF FAN,ANDREAS!!!!
 

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Yes i know about all of MFF's achievements Solehri, i cluding the European cup final they made in 1978/79, only to lose 1-0 to Nottingham Forest.

However it was a little hard for me to include a Newly promoted team when there were so many other good ones :sigh:

Perhaps i will make a revised poll like this in September and i'm sure MFF will be there then :)

Apart from that, all i can say is 'Sorry'!! :heart: :nervous: :)
 

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We can't live on 20-25 year old memories, we have to live with the current results. And MFF hasn't been too impressive the last few years. They might be leading the league now, but that doesn't prove a thing. Of course should MFF finish with a top three place this year, we can start discussing it again. (nothing will be decided by September Andreas, you have to wait until the end of october)
 

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Hey Andreas!!! :scream:

Where the hell is Häcken in this poll?!I think they have earned to be in this poll :D
 
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