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I still can't figure out why the exposion of her tit for two seconds (with a nipple cover too) has caused such an outrage and such a river of lawsuits? I mean, I read the Grammy's were trasnmitted with a small time delay to prevent other such episodes from occuring. I can't really understand such reactions from a public that is used to seeing far more explicit stuff daily on TV. Ariel the Mermade showed about the same portion of breast in the Disney movie.

What's the big deal? I'm quite curious about it.
 

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I think it's down to American's being the biggest prudes on the planet (although not all American's obviously because they are also the biggest consumers of pornography!)
 

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spot on, annax!

By teh way, anyone has a video link to it? :D I have seen some pics, but not a video ...
Well it's not like you see an awful lot more on that video since it is a one-second-shot only ;)
 

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The american view on nudity is a bit hypocritical, mostly to do with it's moralist attitude.

But this is NOTHING. Here is a pic of the first "Booth babe" in the electronic entertainment expo back in the early previous century: http://www.gamespy.com/asp/image.asp?/top10/may03/e31903/09.jpg

This is what a reporter had to say about it:

This fantastical event of future forecast and general mirth was marred only by the deplorable display of uncouth behavior this reporter witnessed during the exhibition’s closing morrow. The Canterberry Corporation -- a whiz-bang fly-by-night outfit shoecladded together vaunted British boy genius, Edward Canterberry -- hired a comely chop-locked maiden of questionable chasteness to gallivant a-top their display counter, wantonly flashing her bared ankles to the hoots and hollers of a small mob of wretched rapscallions. This sinful display of skin for the amusement of the masses shocked every true gentlemen in attendance. "Did thou lose your bearings whilst traversing to the location of an adjoining laundry facility, madam?" a particularly offended fellow bellowed from his up-stage coffers.
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I think it's down to American's being the biggest prudes on the planet
I agree, you hit the nail on the head. America is a land of curious extremes. I could only shake my head when reading about the fallout from showing a nipple.
 

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"Americans are prudes, Americans are hypocritical." The sad truth is that Americans, in matters of the public good, public order, and what offends it and what is needed to preserve it, versus matters of the private life, are far more complex than Europeans, who have become simpletonian in both their ability to observe and even more in their ability to analyse. IOW Europeans have become, in the span of a generation or less, suicidal idiots.

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There hasn't been a river of lawsuits, just one and it was dropped.

I fail to see the big deal as well, but I also fail to see why the fact that Americans consume porn has anything to do with it, they don't do it on free tv:confused:

I think that the reason is that the Super Bowl is watched by families, mostly fathers with their sons and that is, in America, a most uncomfortable place for fathers :rolleyes: It was not expected. Ironically, had this happen at the grammys, i don't think it would have been unexpected and everyone would be laughing.

I watched it with my son and we both laughed, he is ten.

I also think that notion that Americans are prudes is overstated, had this happened in Venzuelan Tv, someone would had been arrested, but you go to the beach and see more action,
 

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Garrincha, half the topics introduced here are peripherally about politics at best. I think the place should be renamed Politics/Current Events.

Fangul, people in one area of the world are more complex than in another? You lost me.
 

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fangul said:
"Americans are prudes, Americans are hypocritical." The sad truth is that Americans, in matters of the public good, public order, and what offends it and what is needed to preserve it, versus matters of the private life, are far more complex than Europeans, who have become simpletonian in both their ability to observe and even more in their ability to analyse. IOW Europeans have become, in the span of a generation or less, suicidal idiots.

Cheers, all
and yet Europeans are compulsively obsessed with everything we do, i.e., this thread. What possible business is it of anyone else what Americans think about Superbowl half-time entertainment?

Why don't we talk about something important, like the French custom of marrying dead people. Now that's a political issue if I ever saw one. :eek:

(AP) Dressed in a demure black suit, a 35-year-old Frenchwoman married her dead boyfriend Tuesday, an exchange of vows that required authorization from President Jacques Chirac.

Under French law, Christelle Demichel became both bride and widow in the ceremony, which was performed at Nice City Hall on the French Riviera. The groom, a former policeman identified as Eric, was killed by a drunk driver in September 2002.

Demichel told LCI television she understood "it could seem shocking to marry someone who is dead," but her feelings for him had not dimmed. His body was not present for the ceremony.
 

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Fobal klub said:
nope, WMM : weapon of mass masturbation:rollani:
Good god. If you have to masturbate to a video of a 36-year old boob, you've got problems.
 

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Since I can speak as both, an American and a European, perhaps I can offer some insight on some general differences between both cultures.

First biggest difference between the two is a desire over control of content American have over the European counterpart. Americans expect to be forewarned of the content they expect. Contrary to popular belief from our European friends is the notion that Americans are automatically offended by nudity. Simply not so in regards to the overwhelming majority. However, Americans hate being surprised - or better, they hate having the control of choice taken away from them. Most don't care that their children saw a breast, but more so that the choice to control the content their children are exposed to was taken from their control.

As for the second difference, it's no secret that Europeans are a lot more cavalier about nudity. I believe this to be the case because Europeans don't automatically link nudity to sex. Europeans are a lot more apt to distinguish the two than Americans. Thus, the nude content are always grouped with sexual content in rating systems.

Are Americans puritans by comparison to Europeans? Absolutely. But this is hardly the reason the general public is in uproar. Sure, there are the puritans who are using the scene as that proverbial straw that finally plunged our country into degenerateville - but those are few and far between, though they do scream the loudest. The average American nearly wants to be forewarned, so that they can be the one's in control of what is exposed to their children. None of the parents I spoke with had a problem with their kids seeing a breast - they had a problem with the fact that the network took that option away from them.
 

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For the very religious, the incident was offensive because they equate nudity with sex, and any thoughts about sex that are not limited to the spouse and that are for gratification are caused by lust, in their opinion. Lust is a sin, and therfore nudity outside the bedroom is bad.

Others have simply been brought up to believe that nudity outside the bedroom is bad. They like to talk about morality and decency, and theories about how the sight of nudity corrupts children, but when you press them for explanations you won't be able to get more than that out of them.

As Tinto said, however, this is the land of extremes, and so for every person that had a problem with it, there was another person who had no problem at all with it.

What is the political nature of this? Well, there isn't any, unless you count the House and Senate hearings about indencency that are starting today.
 

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Interesting take on the situation Pila. Americans: Consumers to the core. ;)

I don't say you're wrong, but I don't see Americans getting upset about control being taken away from them about violence being shown on television, or control in lots of other walks of life.
 

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and yet Europeans are compulsively obsessed with everything we do, i.e., this thread. What possible business is it of anyone else what Americans think about Superbowl half-time entertainment?
It is about as much their business as it is ours what religious symbols are and are not allowed to be displayed in French schools...
 

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Tim said:
For the very religious, the incident was offensive because they equate nudity with sex, and any thoughts about sex that are not limited to the spouse and that are for gratification are caused by lust, in their opinion. Lust is a sin, and therfore nudity outside the bedroom is bad.

Others have simply been brought up to believe that nudity outside the bedroom is bad. They like to talk about morality and decency, and theories about how the sight of nudity corrupts children, but when you press them for explanations you won't be able to get more than that out of them.

As Tinto said, however, this is the land of extremes, and so for every person that had a problem with it, there was another person who had no problem at all with it.

What is the political nature of this? Well, there isn't any, unless you count the House and Senate hearings about indencency that are starting today.
As I've said, I believe that Americans don't distinguish the two (Sex and Nudity) very well, but int his particular case, there was no mistaken that in fact, it was a case of both. It wasn't just nudity - it was the entire act.
 

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Tim Tinto do you really think anyone here worries about the half-time entertainment at Euro2004? I can assure you we don't.
 
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