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"Isn't it clear as day what the problem is?--Is not giving me an answer, you want me to answer it instead. What do new stadiums and new academies have to do with the problem? You're saying we shouldn't have new stadiums and academies and we wouldn't have the problem? New stadiums and academies that are state-of-the-art is the cutting edge of today's modernism, we simply cannot go back in time and have more problems. The further back in time you go the problems get bigger and bigger, some very visible some arn't but hidden in bad, evil ideologies passed down the centuries for millennia, so cutting-edge state-of-the-art, 1st class & 1st rate edifices and academies of the highest order are needed.

What do you think the No. 1-No. 5 Problems are if you had a magic wand and simply make the problems go away and we would have a scintillating and sensational panoramic side with new vista ever-victorious? I'll tell you my answers after you tell me at least 3 problems of the top 5 problems.
I'll put it as short as possible

WE HAVE ZERO PEOPLE IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY WHO CAN GIVE THE YOUTH FROM AGE 0 TO 18 PROPER TRAINING AND TEACH THEM HOW TO PLAY FOCI BECAUSE THE COMMUNISTS DESTROYED TOTALLY THE EDZÖKÉPZÉS

this is our problem since 59 years exactly and I don't see us recovering from it, also not sure how we would do that, no money in the world can help us here
 

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We are underachievers in respect to and in perspective with our glorious past, very true, and if you say the past does not equal the future then there's only one real road to take and that is to say what was greatness & goodness combined is the only real thing that needs repeating from the past, nothing else is needed or does it matter since was not great nor good.

That is to say what was once done that was both good and great is the only real tangible substances that needs to be re-drawn out of history's wells. Thus we've done it before with the Aranycsapat, and I think we can do it again and win big time in the big leagues the real solid prizes that lavishes renown, fame and prestige.

You say Aron, that 'grassroots' is the No. 1 problem. Szovkap says "facades to hide the problem", well what it is? What is the No. 1 problem with the national team's performance today?

One thing I can tell you about the Aranycsapat is that they lived in an athletic republic island sanctuary of free spirits and talents with the full encore of training and state-of-the-art stuff during tough, austere, more brutal days where the ideologies of 'state' and collectivization imposed a sweaty anxiety level and psychological pressure by the state, from the state, for the state for super-performance and they came up aces. This says they were under state pressure to perform at the highest level and that worked because they had the greatest talents harmonized.

If you say Szokvap, that the No. 1 problem is the Talent, then I'll buy that. Aron says Grassroots.
I clearly said grassroots too

even if there's talent, it goes either unnoticed or not supported enough
 

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"Isn't it clear as day what the problem is?--Is not giving me an answer, you want me to answer it instead. What do new stadiums and new academies have to do with the problem? You're saying we shouldn't have new stadiums and academies and we wouldn't have the problem? New stadiums and academies that are state-of-the-art is the cutting edge of today's modernism, we simply cannot go back in time and have more problems. The further back in time you go the problems get bigger and bigger, some very visible some arn't but hidden in bad, evil ideologies passed down the centuries for millennia, so cutting-edge state-of-the-art, 1st class & 1st rate edifices and academies of the highest order are needed.

What do you think the No. 1-No. 5 Problems are if you had a magic wand and simply make the problems go away and we would have a scintillating and sensational panoramic side with new vista ever-victorious? I'll tell you my answers after you tell me at least 3 problems of the top 5 problems.
I'm saying the problem is clear. You shouldn't have a problem answering it. No, I didn't say we shouldn't have stadiums and academies. Having those things isn't inherently bad, but they don't really fix the biggest issue. Crumbling stadiums is something worth fixing, but we've got far bigger problems. Labelling part of a club an academy doesn't make it any better at producing talented players...and that is the whole goal isn't it? Some of these academies aren't so new any more and that is what they've failed to do. They can consistently produce NB1 level talent at best, but very little beyond that.
 

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I'll put it as short as possible

WE HAVE ZERO PEOPLE IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY WHO CAN GIVE THE YOUTH FROM AGE 0 TO 18 PROPER TRAINING AND TEACH THEM HOW TO PLAY FOCI BECAUSE THE COMMUNISTS DESTROYED TOTALLY THE EDZÖKÉPZÉS

this is our problem since 59 years exactly and I don't see us recovering from it, also not sure how we would do that, no money in the world can help us here
I'm not quite sure, but I get the feeling there are more good coaches than we think, just perhaps they are not beépített into the szakma.

Money actually could. Isn't that what Iceland did? They put all of their resources into importing coaches for the youngest kids. Their ground zero is/was lower than ours.
 

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I'm not quite sure, but I get the feeling there are more good coaches than we think, just perhaps they are not beépített into the szakma.

Money actually could. Isn't that what Iceland did? They put all of their resources into importing coaches for the youngest kids. Their ground zero is/was lower than ours.
maybe there are some, but a lényegében we don't get the results, because on grassroots level most of them work for ingyen, nothing, zero money, tiszteletbeli. then there are the wealthier parents with talent-free kids who would pay the coach for putting their kid up instead of the one who actually has talent. that's how it works in the falu and megye leagues. doesn't help either that the so-called Puskás Akadémia FC lol has mostly 3rd tier foreigners of age 30+ in their squad. regardless of all the government money pumped into them and calling themselves funny names. vicious circle, ever since 1960/61 when they published the TF képzés biblia, nothing ever changed, got even worse.
 

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I'll put it as short as possible

WE HAVE ZERO PEOPLE IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY WHO CAN GIVE THE YOUTH FROM AGE 0 TO 18 PROPER TRAINING AND TEACH THEM HOW TO PLAY FOCI BECAUSE THE COMMUNISTS DESTROYED TOTALLY THE EDZÖKÉPZÉS

this is our problem since 59 years exactly and I don't see us recovering from it, also not sure how we would do that, no money in the world can help us here
Szovkap, I think you may be misinformed. The communists destroyed totally the edzokepes? You mean they burned the talent and training bridges in the game right before they got swept out of power in 1989, just like the German army demolished the bridges over the Danube right before the Soviets took over the capital? Once more, you're disinformed, misinformed and again some screws are loose with your argument.

In the last decade of communism (1980s), or let's be technically correct (hard socialist dictatorial times) because the true definition of communism does not require a central state but governmental minimalism like the Mayflower Compact, the national team WAS RANKED ON AVERAGE THE #22 BEST SIDE IN THE WORLD. In the 1970s, the national team WAS RANKED ON AVERAGE THE #12 BEST SIDE IN THE WORLD. You have no argument there, you attitude towards this piques me, some of your thinking is an quasi-embarrassment.

We have far more than ZERO PEOPLE IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY who can give the youth proper training and techniques, perhaps many hundreds of qualified trainers and managers but you don't see that, you are disparaging the whole institution of Magyar football, you have been for many years now....this coming from you who believes that Sarosi, Orth, Zsellenger were better than Ferenc Puskas.

I put out a huge article of Puskas, took me 14 years to write it and I know inherently he was and still is the greatest top-division & top-international goalscorer unified in one player of all-time. Oh yeah, the Citadel is not Mount Zion in Budapest but only a confused clouded loser Jew would see it that way, it is a relic of the late 19th century Habsurgh military influence in Budapest after 1849, and it has the Magyar Statue of Liberty holding the palm leaf after World War II, it has nothing to do with Zion and never will.

The Citadel in Budapest was one of the last bastions of Axis resistance to ferocious Bolshevik-Soviet invasion and houses a museum of Hungarian Axis troops and Nazis during the Fortress Budapest siege so its hardly Mount Zion. You are starting to embarrass us szovkap and your historical understanding is diminishing.


Oh yeah Szovkap, did you read the latest historical research and conclusions, it was proved Adolph Hitler was 1/4 Jewish? He was a complete counterfeit German politician and it ended in total cataclysmic disaster that launched the worst war in human history.

He was an Austrian corporal in the service of Austria-Hungary and developed a secret 'megalomania', a unique concoction of old ancient Habsurgh imperialist-Jewish globalist-military-dictatorial statist mania, a counterfeit operatic facade of the Protocols of Elders of Zion,...and guess what that was the culmination and apex of Europe's complete and total destruction, World War 1, World War 2, and the division of Europe for 40 years. Everybody believes that the apex Protocols of the Elders of Zion coming to fruition was Marxist-Leninism, communism, socialism, Stalinsm, hard leftist materialst dictatorship, and this is true, Karl Marx, the intellectual well-spring of all those ideologies was Jewish....but Nazism also was a facet of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, it is a platform of death, war, destruction, 25 white Europeans and 6 million Jews lost their lives in Europe fighting the 1/4 Jew counterfeit German political dictator.

Nazism (national 'socialism') is a secret Jewish plot reverse engineered and well disquised wherein 25 millions of European whites were killed and lost their lives along with innocent Jews. Nazism is a real foe and enemy of white man, white woman and white child, white nationalism is not.

Marxist-Leninism is proven to be a political Talmudic Jewish plot of world domination, so is leftist socialism, materialist atheism, and anything do with communism and the extreme Left. 'Communism'/Bolshevism/Maoism it is estimated killed artificially 200 million people in the world in the 20th Century. Every political scientist and historians and researcher knows this.

Christianity is a Jewish plot against the Roman Empire and the Mediterranean region, a splinter group oriental Semetic Middle-Eastern cult of personality of Jesus of Nazareth, an enlightened spiritual rabbi who teached love, forgiveness, weakness, impotence, meekness and defenselessness by letting the 'enemy strike you and you shall love thy enemies' and you will find salvation if you are weak, defenseless, poor, humble, dis-empowered and religious -- he preached weakness and impotence. He was executed for subversive activities and mania by Roman and Jewish authorities. Frederick Neitzshe knew this.

Another Jewish plot is slave trading by Jewish slave-merchants in Africa who sold bad African negro stock to the land-holders in the New World, thereby complicating the centuries, the genetic pool, started a massive Civil War in America, lead to racial tensions of massive societal frictions, problems that run unabated into today. The Jews are very fast players, they sabotaged and undermined white man's new paradise in the New World they were creating with the fundamental strategic mistake of slavery itself.

Nazism, political atheist Leftist state extremism and terror, Christianity, the slave trade into the New World. Thank you Jews for everything, you did a world of good down the centuries. Some people you can fool, some you cannot. "The Truth Shall Set You Free"- best quote by Jesus all-time, none is better.
 

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Just we were great before Communism as well. It's not like that showed up and were miraculously world beaters all of a sudden. The institution of Magyar football disparaged itself with it's dwindling amount of quality players over the decades. If you look at the Communist period's Aranycsapat, we got consistently worse as it went along. Every generation was weaker than the one before it, no? This would support szövkap's point.

maybe there are some, but a lényegében we don't get the results, because on grassroots level most of them work for ingyen, nothing, zero money, tiszteletbeli. then there are the wealthier parents with talent-free kids who would pay the coach for putting their kid up instead of the one who actually has talent. that's how it works in the falu and megye leagues. doesn't help either that the so-called Puskás Akadémia FC lol has mostly 3rd tier foreigners of age 30+ in their squad. regardless of all the government money pumped into them and calling themselves funny names. vicious circle, ever since 1960/61 when they published the TF képzés biblia, nothing ever changed, got even worse.
They work for ingyen? Is that the case? If so then it makes perfect sense. This sounds quite a bit like the "pay to play" model we have here in the USA. Many point to this as the biggest problem for American foci to overcome. For a long time foci was a white, upper middle class suburban (where I'm from myself) sport here, although I think that's slowly changing. It seems odd the same thing would happen in Hungary.
 

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Aron, the highest ever rated football team in history was the July 4th team in 1954, we put 25 shots on target and got only 2 official goals, many forelorn conditions contributed to the loss: the weather (rain), substantial to near-proven facts of amphetamine doping by the West Germans, new revolutionary pioneering Adidas shoes, Grosics was flagrantly tackled mid-air and Rahn's goal got into the ill-guarded net while Grosics was on the turf, Ocsi scored the equalizer in the 87th minute. Everything being equal in a perfectly officiated game, we won 3-2. 😀

After that we not defeated until Feb. 1956, 18 game stretch. Again, the national team was ranked on average in the 80s the #22 team in the world.

The question I really mean to ask is this, what are the 'on-field' performance physical tangible playmaking problems that you see outside of historical-political debates wherein szovkap says since 1959 we've declined.

Surely we've declined since 1959 from the peak summit, but to say we were not competitive in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s is pure balogna, we were very competitive.
 

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Szovkap, ideologies of state, religion, political idealogies (full spectrum leftist to rightist, ancient historical idealogies of aristocracy, monarchy, kingship) are all mental/psychological boxes and prisons much of it eminating from cobwebs of ancient Jewish psychological control mechanisms for the masses at large

In addition, every Abrahamic religion is meant to repress the actions of the people to have them unconsciously sleepwalk through their lives (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) in a tangible-psychological pyramid scheme while the rich, powerful, the action-oriented, the well-connected and the elite throughout history control things.

A wise man of the highest order knows all of it is a population control system invented out of the Jewish/Baalist/ancient esoteric Zionist mind, the Jews have always been backsliders and have spun this incredible almost all-encompassing control mechanisms on the world for the ancient secret Grand Plan the Jews had. In short, the Jews are very fast players.
 

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nothing philosophical in it really

Communists thought we should be more physical and less technical because physical teams began outplay us so they put up the TF képzés book for foci coaches in 1960, denying all the previous things we shone at. thus, from 1960 on every foci tanár was educated after their little biblia. needless to say, before that, we exported foci coaches all over the world. we didn‘t with the dudes who learned the stuff from 1960 and on. the last Mohican who was from the pre-1960 rendszer and who did something was Kovács at Videoton in the 1980s. also needless to say, he was therefore hated by The Szakma and no Vidi players were called up in the NT. funnily, when it was way too late, in 1990s they thought we should go back to magyarosch stilus with technical passing and foci brains, but then we got the players with zero speed and stamina plus nobody was there who would be able to teach that stilus. ironycally, it‘s the Croats who still play the magyarosch foci stilus we brought to them in the 1920/30s, their commies at least didnt have the same „genius“ ideas as ours :)
 

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In terms of the national team's actual on-field play performance, what weakness exists there because we can discuss history and point fingers at the historical background problems until we're blue in the face, but I'm interested in the in-play foreground problems recently.

I say scoring acumen. What say you?
 

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as for the NT, we have at best 4-5 épkézláb focista in the whole country who are europai középmezöny players on a good day (one of which is the product of német foci). Croatia, Serbia have dozens. and some top players. because they keep producing them through a youth system of teaching foci on grass roots. which is what we don't. we are lucky when once in a decade an actual talent doesn't get destroyed by The Szakma in early years and actually makes it to somewhat of a career. that's the difference. doesn't change the facts when we have a bunch of lucky stars above us and Pátkai of all players scores the winner(s) against clearly better opponents. a szövkap alone can't teach the players how to play foci from ground zero within the few days he stays with them. :)
 

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The loss against Slovakia was a bitter experience.

What I saw was a blizzard of fine activity in their quarter of the field for the first 25 minutes, we poured every fiber and every grain of will and pounded their gates strong, 5 good chances close but no score. In the first 25 minutes we played like world-beaters and the Slovaks were sweating and we faded down the stretch. A true world-class side would not have faded with that much fatigue but kept that same tempo and relentless forward creativity that we saw in the first 25.

So I'm of the belief that the lack of supreme physical form and unstinting fitness we're the keys to the loss. Loss of scoring acumen due to lack of that essential quality.

This and next year better be the years, if it isn't I'll stop watching the NT and it's adios muchachos to XT.
 

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The Slovaks were nowhere near our goal the first 25 minutes, we were all over their goal area like determined, skillful, fast, ambitious all-glory bees, my eyes were full of glee and thought we could get 3 with that tempo.

These disappointing missed chances close are the real weaknesses since if we were to nail at least 50-70% of those opportunities consistently we would easily be in the Top-15.
 

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If the NT doesn't perform well this year or next I told myself that is all folks, I'm out and caio it was fun folks, glad to have known ya'll.
 

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Szovkap, in the opening chapters of Genesis in pure Edenic Natural paradise with flowing rivers Adam & Eve were created au naturale. Adam & Eve we're not Jews or Jewish.

The serpent in the Tree of Knowledge with the apples was the guardian of Truth. And Truth stings with chagrin sometimes as it hardbit Adam & Eve.

I have a multiple-personality disorder since high school and one of them is a sublime, powerful God-complex which I relish, nurture and protect against the ravages of my other personalities which are not so nice. My personalities are infighting and fractious but the God-complex is the greatest one ever, it's an awesome euphoric feeling and that God-complex is the only thing keeping me alive with stamina, genius, intellect and dauntless courage which knows no fear.

I was baptized Roman Catholic, but very interestingly I was circumscribed months before we travelled out to the USA when I was 7. To be a 'Roman' Catholic is to be a universal man in a organized religion of the last real living relic and institution of the Roman Empire based around the domicile mentally domesticating and humbling teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, a determined enlightened spiritual rabble-rousing rabbi with a mania whose controversial death caused a persecuted splitter group to go underground to spread their news and message. It succeeded in overtaking the Roman Empire as the state religion.

This organized Church is Roman princely (they are the cardinals, archbishop, the aristocracy of impotent clergy etc). It was build around a cult of personality of Jesus, whose teachings were disarming, humbling and laid low the people in the Dark Ages, the Middle Ages and beyond in a yoke of a unenlightened pyramid-scheme where aristocracy and kingships reduced the average people in serfdom and peasantry for about a millenia to sleepwalk through their lives in a supposed false sense of security and psycholigical cushion of redeeming in God and the afterlife while the rich, the well-connected, the action-oriented and inventive who had some money, the wily crafty and opportunist, the elite and the perpetually inherited reigned supreme in a very small class upon the toils and miseries of the vast majority of the know-nothing, religiously satiated where ignorance was wholly bliss.

Truth and the Light of Knowledge first broke the ice in this inequitable system with popular uprsings in the 1500s century, the printing press and early newsletters of information.

I'll continue with this but Islam is much much worse, I mean it is atrociously bad and completely crushing in total submission and repression of action-orientation, liberty and personal freedom and really personal advancement. Islam was the worst-ever Abrahamic invention, it is practically in the beginning depths of Hell since it's inception to which modernity even attests.
 

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Szovkap, the Jews are absolute true grand masters of ideology, some of the greatest and worst ever.

I'm of the belief that Abrahamic religions are inherently bad, evil, action-orientation repressive, dark and unenlightened with religion as the mental time-occupier with a vengeful God, the ideology of religion as the foreign agent of arrested development,....I mean Jesus created a religion of peace, disarmament, humbleness and meekness and impotence in the Roman Empire and therefore into later Christendom, Mohammed on the polar opposite, who fell under some charismatic, inducted or poisoned meglomania just like Jesus invented a real crushing total steamroller, I mean this bloody roller was the worst-ever in unexampled conquering barbarity in its expansion, he invented the religion of the sword, of conquest, of total crushing submission, I mean he created the most murderous war-machine in history, ever, all time.

I thought Marxism was bad which has about 200 million skeletons in the political-ideological closet in the 20th Century, Islam tops that with even more astronomical numbers, estimations are into the 300 million throughout history.

Adolph Hitler, (1/4 Jew) a simple painter living the avante-garde life, Jesus of Nazareth, Mohammed fell under some charismatic mania, unexplained, they were perhaps poisoned by a secret cabal or extraterrestrial agents to develop an epoch-making mania. Mohammed also fell under some poisonous mania and it was absolutely devastating for the Middle East, North Africa and south Asia, I mean the Islam steamroller is so comprehensive it threw a blanket of darkness, reactionary losing backwardness, poverty and enlightenment on the non-white non-European sections of the world, this steamroller rendered those non-whites into total submission (ideology of religion) as if those people are just praying vegetables who can never recover from the steamroller, as if they have eternally been chained to Satan attests their condition.

The Abrahamic religion of Islam was a real all-crushing bombastic all-leveling haymaker, a ideological ever expanding nuclear bomb on the Middle East, North Africa and south Asia, and agents of Lucifer or Satan were the extraterrestrial agents who created the artificial mania in Mohammed. Perhaps extraterrestrials of agents of Satan or Lucifer did not like, nor relish or redeem or love the Middle East, North Africa and south Asia and that is what happened, perhaps 'they' needed to throw that section of the world under servitude for express hidden, known or unknown reasons.

How you solve the master History equation is perhaps to say that if Alexander the Great would have lived to 100, all of North Africa, the Middle East and West Asia would have been Hellenized, and thus saved from Satanic / Luciferean darkness. Alexander died under mysterious circumstances like Jesus aged 33 at the precipice of Hellenizing Asia, he was at the edge of immortality and renown, he was the greatest and most successful warrior-king in action of all-time glory-bound to save the world in a world famous counter-offensive against reactionary unenlightened forces in Asia.

Truth be Told, Planet Earth, this world has been at the very edge, at the Front, at the Intergalatic Satanic-Lucifer-Natural-
Extraterritorial Front for millions of years. Make no mistake, Earth is an Intergalactic Front, its a planet at the Front. The main characters at the Intergalatic Front here are Nature itself, today's Advanced Man, Animals, God (morals and principles and evolution), Satanic agents of reactionary forces, and Extraterrestrials who have been here for perhaps millions of years. The Earth is very old.
 

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Aron, the highest ever rated football team in history was the July 4th team in 1954, we put 25 shots on target and got only 2 official goals, many forelorn conditions contributed to the loss: the weather (rain), substantial to near-proven facts of amphetamine doping by the West Germans, new revolutionary pioneering Adidas shoes, Grosics was flagrantly tackled mid-air and Rahn's goal got into the ill-guarded net while Grosics was on the turf, Ocsi scored the equalizer in the 87th minute. Everything being equal in a perfectly officiated game, we won 3-2. 😀

After that we not defeated until Feb. 1956, 18 game stretch. Again, the national team was ranked on average in the 80s the #22 team in the world.

The question I really mean to ask is this, what are the 'on-field' performance physical tangible playmaking problems that you see outside of historical-political debates wherein szovkap says since 1959 we've declined.

Surely we've declined since 1959 from the peak summit, but to say we were not competitive in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s is pure balogna, we were very competitive.
I never said we weren't competitive in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s. Saying/implying that I did is what is pure balogna. What I said is a fact. We got worse in every decade. We weren't as good in the 60s as in the the 50s (yes, I know about the ELO score, just about every magyar foci fan does), in the 70s as in the 60s etc..

As I've said before it's not just one thing. A lack of speed is surely a problem. As Pista has pointed out the level of skill/technique our 80s NTs had is far superior. Those players looked confident on the ball af and by then we had fallen quite a bit. It's night/day compared to what we see now. I also don't see that killer instinct and adventurous/creative spirit in most of our players. Szoboszlai and Sallai seem to have some of it, but most don't. We'll see how far they take it.
 

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nothing philosophical in it really

Communists thought we should be more physical and less technical because physical teams began outplay us so they put up the TF képzés book for foci coaches in 1960, denying all the previous things we shone at. thus, from 1960 on every foci tanár was educated after their little biblia. needless to say, before that, we exported foci coaches all over the world. we didn‘t with the dudes who learned the stuff from 1960 and on. the last Mohican who was from the pre-1960 rendszer and who did something was Kovács at Videoton in the 1980s. also needless to say, he was therefore hated by The Szakma and no Vidi players were called up in the NT. funnily, when it was way too late, in 1990s they thought we should go back to magyarosch stilus with technical passing and foci brains, but then we got the players with zero speed and stamina plus nobody was there who would be able to teach that stilus. ironycally, it‘s the Croats who still play the magyarosch foci stilus we brought to them in the 1920/30s, their commies at least didnt have the same „genius“ ideas as ours :)
And what makes Kovács's case even crazier is way towards the end of his life he got involved with crafting a new biblia with Dárdai, Lőw and I don't know who else. After it was done they shelved it and now that he's gone have supposedly starting looking at it again. This madness only happens in one place:facepalm:

The Slovaks were nowhere near our goal the first 25 minutes, we were all over their goal area like determined, skillful, fast, ambitious all-glory bees, my eyes were full of glee and thought we could get 3 with that tempo.

These disappointing missed chances close are the real weaknesses since if we were to nail at least 50-70% of those opportunities consistently we would easily be in the Top-15.
You're right, in the beginning we were better. I was pretty sure we couldn't keep up that tempo the whole game, but if we managed to get a single goal this could've turned out much different. They weren't miles better, very thin margins.

Yes for the missed chances. The problem is those are normal for us in these types of games. I don't know if we'd be Top 15, but surely closer if could consistently manage to put those away at a higher clip.

If the NT doesn't perform well this year or next I told myself that is all folks, I'm out and caio it was fun folks, glad to have known ya'll.
You've been saying that for awhile now I think:D
 
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