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incredible story and well worth a read

would post just the link but just encase the link expires, I`ve pasted the story

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This is a true story that I was told by my father. It has inspired athletes, film makers, children, and sports fans around the world—but most of all it inspired a nation.

In 1942 during the height of World War II, the German army steam rolled across Europe. War was waged on many fronts. France, Britain, Northern Africa were all close to falling to German rule. But Hitler wanted to prove he was the greatest military general of all time, so he focused attentions towards Russia.

As the Nazi forces swept through Eastern Europe on their conquest they eventually came to the Ukraine. Wermacht forces crushed any resistance, while the Luftwaffe bombed from above. The Germans rolled into the city of Kiev with little or no resistance.

All the citizens were rounded up and forced to listen to the German military decree themselves their new rulers. It was here that Major General Eberhardt decided that the population were too great to police and he decided on a plan to placate the people of Kiev.

His idea was to stage a football match between a German team and Ukranian Champions Dynamo Kiev. During the occupation, the Kiev team had been rounded up by a soccer mad Wermacht officer and he had decided to spare their lives when all other citizens of a certain public stature were being executed.

During this first match things did not go as Eberhardt had planned. And despite not having trained for many months because of the war the Ukranians skill shone through. Kiev led 1-0 at half time, and received a half time speech from Eberhardt telling them they would be executed if they did not lose. Kiev went out to the second half and buoyed by a stadium full of Ukranians they went on to win 4-1.

Nobody was executed but news of this defeat had reached Eberhardt's superiors. They insisted on a re-match. The Kiev players were banned from training and their rations reduced. And five days later they took to the field against a stronger Nazi select team.

Kiev again were threatened with execution, but they paid it no heed and recorded a resounding 6-0 victory.

Under extreme pressure, Eberhardt brought in a professional team from Hungary; MSG Wal. As they were Nazi sympathisers they had continued their professional training throughout the war. They were brought to Kiev to restore Nazi pride and to put the Kiev team where they belonged.

This was a malnourished untrained Kiev team's third match in seven days. And this time it was against a professional outfit. Undaunted by what faced them, Kiev won 5-1 and then 3-2 five days later.

The Kiev players knew they had to win every match because their lives depended on it. They knew that the arrogant Wermacht officers would want to win the match and not make martyrs of the players. So this time unbeaten German team Flakelf were brought in to restore pride.

On August 6th 1942, Dynamo Kiev took to the field against the unbeaten Luftwaffe team of Flakelf. The match was played in front of a stadium of entirely German soldiers. No Ukranians were allowed to even be near the stadium on the day.

The Dynamo Kiev players were warned before the match. Lose and they would be spared. Win and face execution.

Kiev won 3-2.

As the winning goal went in, members of the SS in parts of the stadium began taking pot shots at the Kiev players. After the game Kiev waited in the dressing room accepting their fate.

But Eberhardt did not come in. Instead a Gestapo officer informed them they would be given one more chance to lose. A match had been arranged for four days time against another German team, Rukh.

Kiev went into this match knowing it would be their last. Win or lose. National pride was at stake and they knew that they could inspire the Ukranian people to face this occupation with their heads held high.

Dynamo Kiev played the match of their lives. They won 8-0.

After the match they were rounded up by the Gestapo. Some were tortured. Some were executed. Some were sent to concentration camps. None survived.

Kiev had inspired when others would have wilted.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/55771-the-death-match-dynamo-kiev-vs-the-nazis-a-brief-history
 

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amazing story.
 

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There seem too be many mistakes in that piece if I have to trust this program of the game. God knows what is the truth and what is propaganda!

For example none survived is surely impressive, but wrong, infact some survived.
 

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this story is mostly a made up Soviet propaganda. there has been Western documentaries about this issue.

Dinamo Kiev was not threatened with execution nor were they executed or tortured after the matches (although several of them obviously didn't survive WWII and German occupation). They simply played a bunch of friendlies with German teams. After WWII and the creation of the Death match myth, many of the players were forced to live in anonymity for the rest of their lives to fit it with Stalinist propaganda lies. It's sad that even now, after all these decades, after the real story has been found out & confirmed by independent historians, somebody still takes this myth at face value.
 

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After the match they were rounded up by the Gestapo. Some were tortured. Some were executed. Some were sent to concentration camps. None survived.
I have problems with this closing sentence especially because this is pure bullshit, nobody rounded up anybody. Several of the players were indeed sent to prison camps months later, tortured and killed but it had no proven connection with the match but with the accusation of being a NKVD member. Linking the deaths of those footballers and the matches played with the Germans is pure speculation made several years after the event for propaganda reasons. Most of the players who played survived the war and suffered no consequences. Their fates and memories were researched after the end of the Cold War and the real story came into light behind the propaganda: there never was a Death Match.
 

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here`s another link which goes into a bit more detail and I think more accurate
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I like this part

The second half was almost an anti-climax. The Flakelf players seemed to be terrified of the Ukrainian fans and were far less physical. Each side scored twice. Towards the end of the match, with FC Start in an almost unbeatable position at 5-3, Klimenko, a defender, got the ball, beat the entire German rearguard and walked around the German goalkeeper. Then, instead of letting it cross the goal line, he turned around and kicked the ball back towards the centre circle.

http://www.hyperhistory.org/index.php?option=displaypage&Itemid=714&op=page
 

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I knew this story and there is probably a lot of legend exagerating the things.

Anyways, History of Football forum? ;)


And 2nd, Hungary were not Nazi Sympathizers. But let's not get into politics.
They were just Hitler sympathizers then? :tongue: But yeah let´s not get into politics hehe.
 

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I have problems with this closing sentence especially because this is pure bullshit, nobody rounded up anybody. Several of the players were indeed sent to prison camps months later, tortured and killed but it had no proven connection with the match but with the accusation of being a NKVD member. Linking the deaths of those footballers and the matches played with the Germans is pure speculation made several years after the event for propaganda reasons. Most of the players who played survived the war and suffered no consequences. Their fates and memories were researched after the end of the Cold War and the real story came into light behind the propaganda: there never was a Death Match.
Sure. In fact Germany never invaded the Soviet Union and never killed millions of its inhabitants. That's just Soviet propaganda. But hey...let's not discuss politics here. :smileani:
 

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Sure. In fact Germany never invaded the Soviet Union and never killed millions of its inhabitants. That's just Soviet propaganda. But hey...let's not discuss politics here. :smileani:
yes, of course I was posting this only because I'm a well-known nazi symphatizer & communist hater

not because this thread is a ridiculous repetition of decades old Soviet fairy tale created for patriotic propaganda purposes

seriously you only have to type 1942 Death Match into Google and on the first page you get several links referring to the up-to-date, historically researched accounts of the story:

Propaganda and Soviet sport have long been partners. One of football’s most notorious myths is that of the “Match of Death” in 1942 between German occupiers and Dynamo players. The latter, allegedly informed at the interval that they would be shot if victorious, nevertheless prevailed 5–3 and, according to the Soviet-era legend, were summarily executed. The facts, exposed over time by local historians and by novelist Anatoli Kuznetsov in "Babi Yar", and published in definitive form in Andy Dougan’s "Dynamo: Defending the Honour of Kiev" (Fourth Estate, 2001), tell a different tale. Dynamo footballers played several matches as a team named “Start,” regularly defeating opponents when not working at a Kiev bakery. In the so-called Death Match, they did beat a German side, but there were no reprisals. James Riordan (“The Match of Death: Kiev, 9 August 1942,” Soccer & Society [spring 2003]: 87–93) writes: “[A]mid the carnage and dreadful inhumanity of war, bitter foes played football. They played fairly and with respect for each other. They shook hands and then went off to resume the war” (90).


Dynamo Kyiv, 1942
Tragically, the Dynamo players who did survive the war were treated as pariahs for having played against and allegedly cooperated with the German occupiers. Some, however—certainly the Jewish goalkeeper, Abram Gorinstein—were killed at Babi Yar, among some 45,000 murdered at the ravine outside Kiev. And Ukrainians as a whole bore the brunt of losses in the European conflict, suffering between 12 million and 15 million fatalities. As historian Vladimir Mayevsky remarks in the DVD collection History of Soccer: The Beautiful Game, “People died, and let the land be soft for them.
http://www.theglobalgame.com/blog/2004/12/in-the-end-they-opted-for-christmas-orange/

Here's another article, this is about photographic evidence directly conflicting with the Soviet legend (in fact it seems to suggest that one of Start's players actually played for a German team):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/mar/11/europeanfootball.sport1

but feel free to do what you always do and don't let the facts get into the way of your fight in the name of your perverted, deformed ideals of justice :thumbsup:
 

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yes, of course I was posting this only because I'm a well-known nazi symphatizer & communist hater
False. I don't think you are well-known for anything.

seriously you only have to type 1942 Death Match into Google and on the first page you get several links referring to the up-to-date, historically researched accounts of the story:
Why should we trust more in those links as opposed to those posted earlier?

but feel free to do what you always do and don't let the facts get into the way on your fight in the name of your perverted, deformed ideals of justice :thumbsup:
I don't remember ever having written anything about my "ideals of justice" but I am sure you must have your ways to know everything...have you googled it or you found it in wikipedia?
 

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the article mentioned it `inspired` film makers around the world......so was there any movie made about this? Don`t recall any
 

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In 1942 during the height of World War II, the German army steam rolled across Europe. War was waged on many fronts. France, Britain, Northern Africa were all close to falling to German rule.
Actually in 1942 neither Britain nor France were close to falling under German rule as the former was pretty much safe while the latter already conquered. Now, I know we are not to discuss history if it's not history of football but since the article makes such a basic mistake, I find it hard to believe the rest of it.
 

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Why should we trust more in those links as opposed to those posted earlier?
same reason why you probaly wouldn't trust German researches made in early 40's about Aryan race being naturally more healthy and athletic than the Jews - it is based on a nationalist-patriotic propaganda by a totalitarian regime

There has been a very clear conclusion of independent western historcial researches about the "Death Match" after the end of Cold War: the official Soviet legend has very little basis in reality. There is no other result, no conflicting researches.

I have not read the books about this match so I'm not an expert or anything but I've seen an in-depth documentary which I suppose was mainly based on Dougan's book.
 

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I won't make any more posts in this thread

It's a nice story so if you want to believe it really happened then fine by me :)

After all posting threads based entirely on political propaganda stories created by a mass-murdering regime isn't directly in violation of XT rules, at least I haven't seen it mentioned there
 
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