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need a thread for this big topic:

Vierri's disallowed goal on offside - no one on TV or posting can even agree on which italian player was supposed to have been offside. If it is that f'n close how in the world could the ref make such a call? Even with slo mo replay no one can even tell which player he is referring to. In that reduced space that call is insane.
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I would be overcome by garlic breath !!!!>>

Try to have just a little bit of class. I know it's hard, but try. Loser.
A couple of points from a Croata fan:

1) it was an all around great game

2) There was no offsides. It was a pretty horendous call.

3) I think Inzaghi pulled the jersey, therefore, a good call.

Now....I think people aren't realistic when they say it shold be a 2-2 or 3-2 game. The fct is, we on't knowhow the game would end up if the offsides goal was allowed. Itly could have won 3-0, or lost 3-1. It's like when you get in an accident. You think, if only I left 2 minutes earlier or later, I wouldn't have been at tgat spot at that time. If the goal was allowed, it would have changed the entire structure of the game. Don't get me wrong, I understand why you guys are pissed. If it was allowed, Italy would have probably gone into there defensive style like they did after the 56th minute header by Vieri. Croatia pobably would have reacted the same way by pressuring them. Italy should hae kept going towards th Croatian net. They obviously had times where they broke down the Croatian defense. Instead, they gave Croatia the opportunity to break down their own.

Now, about the second call. I don' know what station you watched it on, but ESPN didn't have a clear angle. The only good angle was from a distnt and o me, it looked like a pull on Simic's jersey. However, it reminds me of the Norway-Brazil game in '98. Norway was awarded a PK because a Brazilian pulled on a jersey. All replas could not pik it up, so everyone called it a bad call. Norway went on to win. Te next dy, a new ngle surfaced that cleary showed what the ref called. Who knows. Maybe another angle will surface.

All in all. A great game. Bit all my nails off I ws so nervous. I still expect Italy to come in firt and make it to the finals. Italy will come out on a vengeance against Mexico, just like Croati did toay because of the Mexico game. Best of luck to Italy. Think about it. We may even meet again in the knockout stages.
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The only bad calls were in the first where Italy and Croatia deserved a yellow card each. Also whistling the end of the first half when we had a dangerous free kick, and not repaying us that injustice by running the game a full minute into overtime while Italy was attacking.

In my view, I've just spent 50 minutes watching the replays, the calls were good!

CALL ONE :

At first I thought it was bad and we were lucky, but upon viewing it again, I changed my mind, rightfully so.
Vieri wasn't offside when the ball was played originally, but his head was when Doni got the touch on it. You can see it clearly on the replay, and the linesman saw it best. The NZ broadcasters looked at it 3 times, and 4 experts agreed it was a good call. Also, Vieri is big, all the linesman saw was his big frame infront of R. Kovac, not by much, but a rule is a rule.

GOOD CALL !!

One of the best in the WC so far.


CALL TWO :

The ball is played in, Inzaghi pulls Simic so hard, it sends him flying 2 meters. He pulls his arm by the shirt sleeve, and flings him 360 degrees to land on his ass. That's a foul in anyone's book, maybe some would have disregarded it, but it was certainly a foul. A blatantly obvious one at that.

GOOD CALL !!

Italy were not cheated, only outplayed and outscored.
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tough calls

the first i am not sure of and is probably 50/50 but hey we got it and i am happy

second one pippo pulled down simic and then he even missed the ball, if it had been a goal the passer should be credited but pippo clearly pushed simic down


Lav
If Italy had not made those basic mistakes in deffence and Materazzi not been really absymal in his attempts to clear the ball, Italy would not have needed those two goals.

Especially Rapaics goal was really pathetic to see, not because the goal was awful, but because Materazzi was just standing there waiting for Rapaic to finish. He should have kicked away the ball the first time Rapaic kicked it into the air. That was some of the worse deffending I have seen by an Italian player ever.

Pietro Vierchowood and Ricardo Ferri could deffend better then that even as 40+ years olds. :rolleyes:
The defence was pathetic, that I can agree with. To have disallowed two perfectly valid goals, I will never be able to stomach it. I've watched replays of these and I fail to see why the goals have been disallowed.

Croatia had a very good game and I take nothing away from them. But it still upsets me that the goals were disallowed.
CALL ONE :

At first I thought it was bad and we were lucky, but upon viewing it again, I changed my mind, rightfully so.
Vieri wasn't offside when the ball was played originally, but his head was when Doni got the touch on it. You can see it clearly on the replay, and the linesman saw it best. The NZ broadcasters looked at it 3 times, and 4 experts agreed it was a good call. Also, Vieri is big, all the linesman saw was his big frame infront of R. Kovac, not by much, but a rule is a rule.


r u a retard...yes u are!..ive downlaoded this on MPEG and im viewing it a million times and vieri is clearerly onisde when doni flicked the ball on..i think ur NZ pals need some specs...and btw call2....who pulled 1st..simic..thus it should have been apenalty....inzaghi pulled back because simic was the first offender
hahaha i'm not even really concerned with the calls cos if Italy are the team I want to believe they are those calls would have been irrelavant.

But u obviously don't understand teh off side rule.

Vieri was not offside because Zambrotta was not offside when the ball was played but by the time the ball had reached Zambrotta, Zambrotta was well behind Croatia's last line of defence

And his cross was yes...forward and Vieri was indeed behind Croatia's last line of defence.

BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When two players are both behind the last line of defence and the player(VIERI IN THIS CASE) is behind the player doing the pasisng (ZAMBROTTA) in this case it is not seen as an offside.

The last line of defence for Croatia was not BETWEEN VIERI and Zambrotta in a forward pass. But Zambrotta's pass was forward to a fellow player(Vieri) who was behind him(Zambrotta) also behind the last line of defence (of Croatia) when the ball was released

It is not offside by any stretch of the imagination of anyone who understands the concepts of offside.

Go to FIFA's web site buddy and read up on offside rules.

U'll find that i am right.

Vieri has every right to protest...but in my opinion he should concentrate on the goals he missed with careless shots
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Originally posted by Ero
CALL ONE :

At first I thought it was bad and we were lucky, but upon viewing it again, I changed my mind, rightfully so.
Vieri wasn't offside when the ball was played originally, but his head was when Doni got the touch on it. You can see it clearly on the replay, and the linesman saw it best. The NZ broadcasters looked at it 3 times, and 4 experts agreed it was a good call. Also, Vieri is big, all the linesman saw was his big frame infront of R. Kovac, not by much, but a rule is a rule.

GOOD CALL !!

One of the best in the WC so far.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Oh please, don't insult our intelligence.
You're making yourself look like a fool.
Experts from NZ. HAHHAAAHHHA. Don't make us laugh!!

It's like having 2 strikers run free towards goal. The one with the ball passing it behind to the other striker to slot it in. Would he be off-side when he obviously would be in front of the defenders of the other team?? Ridiculous!!
Italy Consider Referee Complaint

- Raffaele Ranucci, the head of Italy's World Cup delegation, says that the Italian football federation is considering a complaint to Fifa about the two disallowed goals in Italy's 2-1 defeat to Croatia.

Christian Vieri and Filippo Inzaghi both had strikes ruled out for offside and a foul respectively.

"Everything we can do, we will do," said Ranucci.
instead of blaming the ref and linesman why don't you just blame your team and coach!! Croatia played better and we had the better chances in the game but we did have luck aswell. I admit the first disallowed goal should have stood but I haven't seen it again. Italy scored soon after anyway and the simple fact is, you let a lead slip. I haven't seen the Italian defence **** themeselves like that in a long time and I must say that Materazzi has no place in that team. Some of you have come out and said that Croatia were better and that is that. Doesn't matter though, Italy will recover and will go close to winning the tournament.

BTW......Why isn't Montella playing?:rolleyes:
The linesman is not to blame my friends. Graham Poll, the main ref, who is English, did not overrule the calls and he knew they were legitimate goals, I can bet my balls any other referee who is not English would have. The Poms hate the Italians, it's well known, simple as that. That's why Italy lost.

But what are ya gonna do :D
Vieri's goal was onside and it was a fcuk up by the linesman though it was close and seeing it slow motion makes it easier to spot. The last disallowed goal? No fcukin way. Inzaghi pulled down Croatia's last defender who was in front of him at the time, he grabbed his shirt and spun him around, and played a major factor in causing Pletikosa to miss the ball. Watch the repaly's. That was a good call by the linesman.

Italy is still one of the best teams in the world and should beat Mexico handily.
The ref made bad descicions, but in a WC he should have a good enough linesmans to go with, to than overall. I can tell you that it has nothing to do with an English/Italian rivalry, as there is not one.
The only bad decision that was made was the offside ruled against Vieri. That's it. Even the most respected soccer analyst here in Australia i.e Johnny Warren said that Inzaghi fouled Simic.

With all the whinging i've read...some even saying that Croatia didnt deserve to win, i hope Italy doesnt beat Mexico and gets eliminated...oh man, i'd love to read/hear the excuses then. :rolleyes:
We are not making exuses and if you beat us in a clean 2-1, yeah we would be upset by you won the match and we would congratulate you on that. The fact that 1 was 100% a goal and the 2nd was 80% sure, we deserved at least a draw and if Inzaghi's goal did count and Totti's free-kick went in like it very nearly did it could of been 4-2. Even a draw would of satisfied us as Vieri's was definitely a goal.
This match as well as a few others have raised an interesting question.

Why don't we have the replay decide when the decision is so difficult. They do that in America and they do that in Cricket these days.

When a linesman makes such a bad mistake, they should be expelled for the rest of the tournament just like a player who won't play again when he has a really really bad game.
interesting thought....Placebo would be whining about rematch then....
Italia said:
interesting thought....Placebo would be whining about rematch then....
deep down i would love for Croatia to play Italy in the semi finals!!! In 4 matches we have won 2 and drawn 2 against Italy...bring in it :D
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