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What's the story and history behind your clubs greatest rivalries?

Arsenal's ( :thmbup: ) rivalry with Tottenham Hotspur ( :thmbdown: ) began in 1913, when Woolwich Arsenal moved from South London to North London at a ground some may know as "Highbury" ( :proud: ). Spurs weren't particularly fond of the move because they viewed it as us moving in on their turf, and in a way we were since White Hart Lane isn't all that far from Highbury.

What really kick-started it was our promotion back to the First Division in 1919 (we haven't been relegated since 1913, either). We finished fifth and weren't supposed to be promoted again, but through some very dodgy dealings by then owner Henry Norris (if it weren't for him Chelsea wouldn't have existed!) the FA chose to promote Arsenal as well as Burnley and Wolves, and to relegate Spurs to the second division. Since then they've hated us with a passion and we've hated them with a passion, and I suppose us clinching two league titles at White Hart Lane and signing their captain on a bosman hasn't endeared us toward them much :D
 

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Maybe i'm completely wrong but premiership derbies just don't measure up to the derbies in the Lower Leagues. They seem quite passionless affairs these days. We get all the media hype, all the T.V build up, but the match iteself and the atmosphere generated from the fans never seems to quite match the occassion. It's a shame but i guess this is all down to day trippers and the commercialisation of the sport as a whole.

This is based on my personal experience, which is vast ;) :pp and this is not to say i have never experienced a good atmosphere in a premiership ground, i have, but during derby days, the event is often billed much higher than the reality.

Tonight for example, United are facing the Gunners, hardly a derby but it certainly means just as much as one at the moment. You'd expect to hear a brilliant atmosphere and see top quality football, the reality is the game will be scrappy and disjointed, due to the players going in rough and being more concerned with settling old scores than playing football. The Highbury faithful will be their normal morose selves and may even drop their books for five mins to shout a little. It's not quite what you'd expect from a EPL top of the league clash. Lets hope the football is as good as we saw from Chelsea and Arsenal, not too long ago.
 
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Lower League derbies really are "local derbies". I mean how can Man Utd supporters hate City? Especially when the city of Manchester stadium is at least 200 mies away. What has City ever done to them?
 

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*ahem* judging by your sarcastic reply i guess you don't believe The premiership clubs are lacking a little bit of passion during these "fierce derby days"? I have certainly found this to be the case, and i'm not talking about the Manchester teams.
 

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What really kick-started it was our promotion back to the First Division in 1919 (we haven't been relegated since 1913, either). We finished fifth and weren't supposed to be promoted again, but through some very dodgy dealings by then owner Henry Norris (if it weren't for him Chelsea wouldn't have existed!) the FA chose to promote Arsenal as well as Burnley and Wolves, and to relegate Spurs to the second division.
man if i were a spurs fan i will be pissed :D
 

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Fred Elliot said:
when you said 'that lot down the road' I thought you were talking about Arsenal and their championship credentials;)
Yeah, right down the Seven Sisters ... that would explain a lot.
 

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Russell said:
Maybe i'm completely wrong but premiership derbies just don't measure up to the derbies in the Lower Leagues. They seem quite passionless affairs these days. We get all the media hype, all the T.V build up, but the match iteself and the atmosphere generated from the fans never seems to quite match the occassion. It's a shame but i guess this is all down to day trippers and the commercialisation of the sport as a whole.

This is based on my personal experience, which is vast ;) :pp and this is not to say i have never experienced a good atmosphere in a premiership ground, i have, but during derby days, the event is often billed much higher than the reality.

Tonight for example, United are facing the Gunners, hardly a derby but it certainly means just as much as one at the moment. You'd expect to hear a brilliant atmosphere and see top quality football, the reality is the game will be scrappy and disjointed, due to the players going in rough and being more concerned with settling old scores than playing football. The Highbury faithful will be their normal morose selves and may even drop their books for five mins to shout a little. It's not quite what you'd expect from a EPL top of the league clash. Lets hope the football is as good as we saw from Chelsea and Arsenal, not too long ago.
Ruselll,

The last 2 man Utd games that i saw were simply brill..... against the Gooners last night and against Chelsea the week before. For entertainment value, the EPL has had the best games in 2005 :thumbsup: :shades:
 
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