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Do you think this list shows the true football ranking in europe?

Club wise that is we all know Spain s Nat Team is not top.

Spain – 7
England – 6
Germany – 6
France – 5
Italy – 5
Netherlands – 5
Portugal – 3
Ukraine – 3
Austria – 2
Greece – 2
Romania – 1
Russia – 1
Serbia & Montenegro – 1
Switzerland – 1
Turkey – 1
 

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does that mean that the Dutch League is of equal quality to the Italian ? :D
 

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Alter Ego said:
Spain – 7
England – 6
Germany – 6
France – 5
Italy – 5
Netherlands – 5
Portugal – 3
Ukraine – 3
Austria – 2
Greece – 2
Romania – 1
Russia – 1
Serbia & Montenegro – 1
Switzerland – 1
Turkey – 1
It's obvious why you posted this... but is it a good representation uhm to a degree nothing that suprises me to much maybe the fact that Russia only has one team left.
 

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Ukraine 3 Scotland 0

Sounds about right.
 

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I'd like to know which is the 5th Italian team.

That said, it's better 3 teams in the Champions League and 1 club in the UEFA Cup than 2 in CL and 5 in the UEFA Cup. Of course, no offense to Spanish league which I respect and consider on the same level of the Italian and English leagues.
 

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Spain – 7
Real Madrid C.F (UEFA Champions League)
FC Barcelona (UEFA Champions League)
Valencia C.F (UEFA Cup)
Villareal C.F (UEFA Cup)
Althletico de Bilbao (UEFA Cup)
Sevilla (UEFA Cup)
Real Zaragoza (UEFA Cup)

England – 6
Manchester Utd. (UEFA Champions League)
Arsenal FC (UEFA Champions League)
Chelsea FC (UEFA Champions League)
Liverpool FC (UEFA Champions League)
Middlesborough (UEFA Cup)
Newcastle Utd. (UEFA Cup)

Germany – 6
Bayern Munchen (UEFA Champions League)
Werder Bremen (UEFA Champions League)
Bayer Leverkusen (UEFA Champions League)
Vfb. Stuttgart (UEFA Cup)
Aachen (UEFA Cup)
Schalke 04 (UEFA Cup)

France – 5
Olympique Lyon (UEFA Champions League)
AS Monaco (UEFA Champions League)
Lille (UEFA Cup)
Auxerre (UEFA Cup)
Sochaux (UEFA Cup)

Italy – 4
AC Milan (UEFA Champions League)
Juventus FC (UEFA Champions League)
Internazionale Milan (UEFA Champions League)
AC Parma (UEFA Cup)

Netherlands – 5
PSV Eindhoven (UEFA Champions League)
AFC Ajax (UEFA Cup)
Feyenoord (UEFA Cup)
SC Heerenveen (UEFA Cup)
Alkmaar (UEFA Cup)

Portugal – 3
FC Porto (UEFA Champions League)
Benfica (UEFA Cup)
Sporting Lisbon (UEFA Cup)

Ukraine – 3
Dynamo Kiev (UEFA Cup)
Shakhtar Donetsk (UEFA Cup)
Dnipro (UEFA Cup)

Austria – 2
Austria Vienna (UEFA Cup)
GAK (UEFA Cup)

Greece – 2
Olympiakos Piraeus(UEFA Cup)
Panathinaikos (UEFA Cup)

Romania – 1
Steaua Bucharest (UEFA Cup)

Russia – 1
CSKA Moskva (UEFA Cup)

Serbia & Montenegro – 1
Partizan Belgrade (UEFA Cup)

Switzerland – 1
FC Basel (UEFA Cup)

Turkey – 1
Fenerbahçe (UEFA Cup)
 

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Yeah unfortunately Spain has 2 left in the CL.

Uefa Cup no one cares for in Italy, so the CL is what counts and Italy has mroe than Spain here.
 

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The list shows how important the UEFA Cup is for spanish teams. I congratulate those teams for doing well there, but don't mix that with the Champion's League.
 

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Deano said:
Yeah unfortunately Spain has 2 left in the CL.

Uefa Cup no one cares for in Italy, so the CL is what counts and Italy has mroe than Spain here.
and england has more then both
 

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Exactly and well doen to them doing so.

My main point here also is that you cant say who has the best league just from the teams they have in the CL or the UEFA Cup. The only thing I will say is that Im extremely disappointed that Udinese had a oor start to the season because that form was for the UEFA Cup 1st round also. In the last 2 and a half months they have been the best team in Serie A and would have been nice for them to be in the UEFA Cup but as I said, Italians teams dont care for that comp anymore.
 

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Deano said:
Uefa Cup no one cares for in Italy, so the CL is what counts and Italy has mroe than Spain here.

Seriously, I think the whole numbers count for the quality of league itself. A good league is always about balance of powers between top teams and mid table teams. Spain maybe has less teams qualified for CL, but it doesn't mean that their whole teams which participating in European competition in head-to-head are worse than other countries. In other words, for example, if you put all the best 7 La Liga Teams against 7 Serie A teams and have them playing against each other, it is likely that Spanish teams will edge Italian teams head-to-head because the combined result of both CL and UEFA Cup showed it that way.

That's just my opinion. Anyone can disagree though.
 

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That's just my opinion. Anyone can disagree though.
Infact I disagree... Parma are the only Italian club in the UEFA Cup but they are relegation material right now in serie A and no way better than Udinese even if Udinese have beem eliminated by Panionios in the 1st round of UEFA Cup.
 

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This has been a bad year for the spanish top clubs, they usualy have 4 in the 2nd round. Still you can see that the spannish mid teams are of better quality than any other country.
 

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Do we have other topics in XT than who is the best league?? Very difficult to come to a conclusion about that.

Each one will pick their league, as its the one they know better.
 

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I seriously doubt the Romanian league is better than the Turkish one too :pp
I doubt it too, but the list doesn´t say that. The list says Romania 1 - Turkey 1...but I don´t think this is a measure of the level of the leagues.
 

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ToniSamp said:
Infact I disagree... Parma are the only Italian club in the UEFA Cup but they are relegation material right now in serie A and no way better than Udinese even if Udinese have beem eliminated by Panionios in the 1st round of UEFA Cup.

Well, you're right about it.
 
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