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Striker Dilemma

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I think everybody would agree that the names for all positions except the striking position is pretty much certain, namely Cacerés as a CB, Hleb as a CM/winger and Alvés as a RB. For the striking position however we seem to have a bit of an issue on our hands.

Eto'o is leaving, that is certain and there is no point in denying it so we will need to sign a replacement of the highest level.

The names in the press seems to be the following:

- Adebayor

For some reason we are linked with this player who even the Arsenal fans themselves don't seem to rate despite his good season. We all know as well the record for Arsenal players leaving and personally I'm struggling to think of even one that was succesful.

He has recently stated that he will stay at Arsenal so that means he is unlikely to join.

- Berbatov

His price and the fact that the board seems to prefer other players makes him an unlikely acquisition.

- Ibrahimovic

One of the favourite of the boards but it's rumoured that he has been offered a Mega-contract consisting of €12million anually which is "outside the market" so to speak and this would make it difficult.

- Villa

He was rumoured a while back but it seems to have faded mostly because the board thinks he's better suited to a counter-attacking team rather than a dominating one. Make of that what you will. His relatively small size rules him out and it's not even discarded that he might stay at Valencia yet.

- Benzema

Last but not least.

The favourite of the fans and the board. Is young but has it all. Strength, technique, dribbling skill, shooting, finishing, off the ball movement and so on. You name it and he probably has it.

The main problem however is the players insistence on staying another season what with the new contract which makes him the best paid player in Ligue 1 and the fact that Lyon has no intention of selling unless a monster club-breaking offer comes in.

Personally, Benzema is my favourite but even I think it would be best for him to stay on another season if he is uncertain that could't handle the pressure of playing at a top club, let alone one which desperately needs to win now. It takes a lot more than just skill and even physique if you want to make it here. He will need sizable balls to to withstand the tremendous pressure of a club which will even boo it's own players if they are unhappy. You need to be absolutely sure and confident in your self IMO, there can be room for no doubts.

The reason this is a dilemma is because we WILL sign a new striker but know one seems to have a clue of who that might be yet.

I haven't included the likes of Guiza, Cruz, Crespo and so on because they would only be backup-up at best if they arrived and with Henry staying this option looks unlikely.

Another potential problem we have on our hands is if Ronaldo leaves Manchester. Not only would it seriously fortify Madrid but it would almost certainly mean United would skip past us and sign Benzema and Alvés in front of our noses. If this scenario came true it would be a nightmare and we would essentially be screwed. All we can do ATM is hoping this doesn't happen because it's a lose-lose situation.

So what do you think/should happen for the striking position?

And no Eto'o staying etc. Only come up with suggestions which are grounded in reality please.
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jani
Ramallets said:
loves to see his own name in the papers
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Exactly! I mean come on, why does he talk so much?

Even now he's "advising" Milan to wait, publicly? Whats the use?

:wallbang:
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Ramallets
jani said:
Exactly! I mean come on, why does he talk so much?

Even now he's "advising" Milan to wait, publicly? Whats the use?

:wallbang:
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The funny thing is that he talks about issues as if he was sitting at the negotiating table for example with Arsenal and Barça and the Adebayor talks. What a moron. :D

Hopefully you'll sign Adebayor in the end. Now it looks that Eto'o will not allow himself to be pushed out of the club. He's planning to show up in Barcelona when the pre-season starts. :hopeful:
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Gallliani said that there is only 1 player Milan are interested in - Adebayor. Then Bronzetti came out & said signing Adebayor is 50/50 & he'll probably join Barcelona (source - both SkySports)

Something is going on...
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Ramallets
Youngie said:
Gallliani said that there is only 1 player Milan are interested in - Adebayor. Then Bronzetti came out & said signing Adebayor is 50/50 & he'll probably join Barcelona (source - both SkySports)

Something is going on...
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The usual mind games from Galliani. He even claim that he has a letter where Adebayor says he wants to join Milan. Very smart of Galliani to show that letter for Wenger. Tapping up players anyone? :pp

Ingla and Txiki you fools, drop out from this negotiaton immediately.
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It's a pretty funny situation where none of the fans of Arsenal, Milan or us seems to want him. The boards on the other hand...

I wonder what they see that we don't?
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Leckan said:
It's a pretty funny situation where none of the fans of Arsenal, Milan or us seems to want him. The boards on the other hand...

I wonder what they see that we don't?
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I wouldn't mind him for cheap but 27M is taking the p*ss.
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alphaomega
Vedran-10 said:
I didn't come up with the saying so I wouldn't know why the medium lie isn't there.

But nevermind the saying now, you really shouldn't put so much stock into statistics. Those are just numbers that can easily deceive you. For example, if Adebayor scores more goals than Tevez, that doesn't mean he brings more to Arsenal than Tevez does to United. I don't know if you watched United last season, but Tevez played as midfielder sometimes. He would actually come back to his own half to collect the ball from his defenders. I don't know how many attackers you've seen do that. Tevez is used all over the pitch and his contribution is immense, you can't measure it by goals alone. And the sheer physical strength and aggressiveness that guy brings to his side is really something. I admire Tevez on all levels, not to mention his scoring abilities, which he displayed by scoring some very important goals that brought crucial points.
In this case, discussing how to asses someone or something's effect, sports and business have nothing in common. In business you're forced to judge something by numbers, because that's what business is - numbers. In sports, however, you can just watch the game and see what the player does, rather than trust a bunch of numbers that don't mean anything when the game is over.

I've seen Ade miss shitloads of great chances. He's nowhere near being a clinical striker. For every goal he scores, he wastes another two sitters. That's not so hot in my book. Tevez, for one, would do better, and I know that because I've watched him play lots of times and I know what he's capable of, besides scoring. I haven't seen any qualities that Ade brings to his team, besides goals. There's no other contribution from him.

And your statement labeling Ade a better striker than Tevez just can't be serious. The only reason why Tevez doesn't score more goals is because he is often, as I already mentioned earlier, used in other positions (though not nominally) which makes it a little harder to score. Ade, on the other hand, has no other job than to score, and he really doesn't excel there.
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Etoo falls back to the midfield and helps build up play and his at the end
to execute so I don't think Tevez is doing the extraordinary.
Ronaldo a winger and still outscores Tevez so how do you explain that
Sorry I don't know what Tevez is capable off and whether he attained his capability. Ade must have missed chances but that does reduce his
contribution to Arsenal finishing 3rd and few points to united than the
year before. if you don't know what qualities that Ade brings to his team
then you didn't watch Arsenal games or you deliberately don't want to
see, if youhave not seen you better watch and will get to
understand his contribution. Ade misses which striker on this planet doesn't miss chances ?
What are the purpose of numbers in sports if they have to be discounted ?
Look Barca and Milan are fighting to sign Ade who you deem useless
while nobody is interested in a loaned out Tevez which means you know more than the administrators of both Barca and Milan or they see qualities in Ade that a novice like you don't see.
Sorry , I will take Ade anyday anytime over an overhyped Argie midget.
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alphaomega
Mohamed said:
Funny, that's the period he was asked to play as the lone forward because Eduardo broke his leg in February. ;)

Whenever we played 4-4-2 Ade was almost always a beast of a player.
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You are wasting your time explaining to them, that an unhyped player
can be good.
I will repeat if Ade was from europe or from or one of the south American
soccer power houses he would be deemed as one of the best after scoring more than 30 goals last season. It beats my imagination how someone would say Tevez was better than Ade last season when the
stats say otherwise.
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Ramos
So who's going to be your number 9 next season? Henry or Adebayor? I thought that would certain be Thierry, but now when you're getting Togo player, it seems like he will be that CF in your team. Again unhappy, out of position, pathetic Henry, haa :)
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La Porque
Whats that, Adebayor had a barron spell when he was played as lone striker as opposed to a front two.

Given the system were likely to play next season thats bloody fantastic.:pp
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Politician
People are just dumb, Ade is a young powerful skillful striker approaching his peak. Arsenal fans are just blaming him for not being Bergkamp or Henry circa 8 years ago.
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Youngie said:
I wouldn't mind him for cheap but 27M is taking the p*ss.
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To say the least.

Praying steadfastly that this laughing stock of a shite deal doesn't go through.
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crayven
Tevez >>> Adebayor.

Actually Kun >>> Adebayor too. And Bojan >>> Adebayor soon to be.

Prove me wrong.
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Remi
If Txiki pays 27mil for adebayor it will be a ****ing disaster. Not only will you buy a mediocre striker who leaves every two years to african nations, but you will give the scum the money with which to buy Villa.
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FC Barcelona9
Adebayor To Arsenal: Sell Me To Milan
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crayven said:
Tevez >>> Adebayor.
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How so? Because Tevez is from Argentina? :rollani:

I've yet to see Tevez have a season like he did in Brasil, in England he's been very good but still not the "oh my God" Tevez I saw in Brasil. To say that he had a better season than Ade is laughable. Arsenal were 5 points clear until some thug ended Eduardo's season, a large part of our incredible start was definitely Adebayor. You are not voted into the PFA team of the season in a league that boasts world-class strikers if you're not a great player.

I've seen Ade week-in, week-out since he arrived here and I can tell you his improvement has been remarkable. He's not at his peak yet because his finishing needs some improvement, but he'll bring plenty of other qualities to compensate for that. His finishing itself has improved a great deal in the last 12 months, you don't score 30 goals if you're a useless finisher. He can finish, just not as much as he should, but that will come with a little time.

Funny how Fernando Torres scored the same amount of league goals as Adebayor (24), misses plenty of chances himself, but everyone is on his bandwagon? :confused:
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VBI
Unlike a lot of people here, I think Ade is really quite good. He has improved a LOT visibly since his first few games for Arsenal when he couldn't hit a barn wall if he was inside a barn. But he's not 27M good, nor is he better than Eto'o. Or Henry for that matter. But it's all conjecture at this point, we'll need to see who goes in the attack before we truly know what needs to be fixed.
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I also don't think Ade is worth 27M right now, but I think he will be in 1-2 years time.
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El Mundo says that two of his Arsenal teammates, who prefer to keep their names secret (how convenient), have received a text message from Adebayor saying "I already see myself in Barcelona". They say that since Adebayor learned of Barcelona's interest a couple of weeks ago he made it clear to Arsenal that he wanted to become part of 'the Barcelona family'.

Excuse me while I just lean over and vomit. The Barcelona family? What a crock of sh1t. I'd rather be in Josef Fritzl family.
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Kopriva
alphaomega said:
Etoo falls back to the midfield and helps build up play and his at the end
to execute so I don't think Tevez is doing the extraordinary.
Ronaldo a winger and still outscores Tevez so how do you explain that
Sorry I don't know what Tevez is capable off and whether he attained his capability. Ade must have missed chances but that does reduce his
contribution to Arsenal finishing 3rd and few points to united than the
year before. if you don't know what qualities that Ade brings to his team
then you didn't watch Arsenal games or you deliberately don't want to
see, if youhave not seen you better watch and will get to
understand his contribution. Ade misses which striker on this planet doesn't miss chances ?
What are the purpose of numbers in sports if they have to be discounted ?
Look Barca and Milan are fighting to sign Ade who you deem useless
while nobody is interested in a loaned out Tevez which means you know more than the administrators of both Barca and Milan or they see qualities in Ade that a novice like you don't see.
Sorry , I will take Ade anyday anytime over an overhyped Argie midget.
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Well, Ronaldo outscores Tevez because a) he takes all the penalties, b) he takes almost every free kick, c) generally plays more minutes, d) he is a better player. Why compare him to Ronaldo anyways? Clearly Ronaldo is much better than both of them combined, it was an unnecessary comparison.

So we're in agreement then. You don't know Tevez's qualities and I don't know Ade's. What I do know is that I watched Arsenal and found Adebayor to be nothing special.

You know alpha, it would be very good for all concerned if you just dropped the irrational remarks and actually replied with some sound arguments (not just in this case, but in general). I say that Adebayor misses too many chances for my liking, and you reply asking me what striker doesn't miss... I never said strikers don't miss, as you very well know (if you don't, then you have a problem because there's the matter of being able to participate in a normal discussion). I don't know why you reply with these types of statements that waste both your time and mine. Adebayor misses a lot of chances, as even M4 stated (he said Ade doesn't finish as he should, which comes down to the same point). I didn't think I'd have to explain this.

As for the numbers, they have no purpose as far as I'm concerned. If I want to judge a team or a player, I will watch their game. I could care less about the post-match stats.

Tevez is a United player. If I'm not mistaken, they bought him from the Hammers. And it's not very easy to sign a player that United wants to keep. Maybe clubs are targeting him because he is happy there and SAF has a role in the team for him. He can't complain, IMO. He plays quite often, wins the biggest of awards... no reason to move, no reason for United to sell him. This is another brilliant argument, alpha. You could have also said that Iniesta is crap because he isn't linked with a move. Maybe clubs aren't trying to sign him because he isn't transferable right now? Adebayor wants to leave Arsenal, and considering that other targets aren't available or are much more expensive (Kun, Benzema, Villa to name a few), it's normal clubs are looking at Adebayor. Not much choice, really.
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