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People are always talking about how easy it is to score Brazil, but it ain't really easier than anywhere else, at least not where its most recent celebrated exports are concerned.


The top guys strike-rate in Brazil vs their strike-rate in Europe, is not all that different.

Their strike-rate in brazil vs Their strike-rate everywhere else
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Pato *********Brazil  14/28 = 0.5              Others :  40/81 = 0.49
Robinho*******Brazil   58/135  = 0.42          Others :  49/169 = 0.28
Ronaldinho*****Brazil    15/44 =  0.34           Others :  100/295 =   0.33   
Kaká*********Brazil     30/75 =  0.4            Others :  94/258  =  0.36   
Adriano*******Brazil     29/74 =  0.39           Others :  100/231 = 0.43       
Ronaldo********Brazil    45/49 =  0.91    Others [pre-injury]:151/181=0.83

Arguably the best striker in Brazil over the last two years is Keirrison and his strike-rate is not above europe's top guns.
Keirrison ***** Brazil total: 84/143 = 0.58
This season: paulista = 13/16 = 0.81
 

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Interesting.

You also need to admit that every one of those cases improved their game in Europe and became better players, though. I mean... Pato for instance. He was a kid when he left. Even if the goal average is the same, it's against much better defenders and it cannot even be argued that all these players got better after leaving Brazil.
 

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Interesting.
You also need to admit that every one of those cases improved their game in Europe and became better players, though. I mean... Pato for instance. He was a kid when he left. Even if the goal average is the same, it's against much better defenders and it cannot even be argued that all these players got better after leaving Brazil.
Those stats are there to show that scoring in Brazil ain't as easy as many European would have the world believe.



People talking about Romario becoming topscorer at 40.....they forget they are talking about a guy with a:
0.79 career strike-rate, a 0.62 CL strike-rate, and 0.79 Intl strike-rate

Furthermore 22 goals in 31 games is not that great a strike rate for a league topscorer

Romario's
Brazil Vasco da Gama*******0.79
Netherlands PSV Eindhove****0.98
Spain FC Barcelona *********0.63
Brazil Flamengo*************0.85
Spain Valencia CF***********0.67
Brazil Fluminense************0.62
 

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Yeah, we are. :stoned:

Here you have the entire world wanting attacking football, going crazy when a team plays to their strenghts like happened last night and yet the Dutch league, where attacking football and goals are guaranteed gets knocked for it. Pretty ironic wouldn't you say.

As for the Brazilians, obviously their league is underrated, but you do have to admit that all of those players left a young age and have progressed since then.
 

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Interesting.

You also need to admit that every one of those cases improved their game in Europe and became better players, though. I mean... Pato for instance. He was a kid when he left. Even if the goal average is the same, it's against much better defenders and it cannot even be argued that all these players got better after leaving Brazil.
meh, if a 17 years old do not improve anything, then he is just shit.
If he wa here, he would became better as well, probally better because we know how to produce youngsters and not just buy them.
After all, our defenders go there and "get better" also, so are them facing much worst fowards in europe?
 

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meh, if a 17 years old do not improve anything, then he is just shit.
If he wa here, he would became better as well, probally better because we know how to produce youngsters and not just buy them.
After all, our defenders go there and "get better" also, so are them facing much worst fowards in europe?
oooooohhhh!!!
 

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meh, if a 17 years old do not improve anything, then he is just shit.
If he wa here, he would became better as well, probally better because we know how to produce youngsters and not just buy them.
After all, our defenders go there and "get better" also, so are them facing much worst fowards in europe?
Don't forget the goalkeepers:smileani:
 

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Do not forget anything. Zico goal's ratio was also higher in Italy (playing for a small club) than in Brazil (playing for the top team here). It is silly to afirm that it shows anything like the quality of the defenders or fowards.
 

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22 in 31 would easily be top scorer in Serie A. As for Netherlands stats, they are the real banana league :pp
Huh...no it wouldn't
Between seasons 1991–92 and 2007–08 in Serie A. Thats about 17 years, and out of those 17 years 22 goals would have won it once [2007–08] and tied another [1998–99].
In 2007–08....it took 21/37
In 1998–99....it took 22/33

In any other year it would take more goals and a better strike-rate to be top scorer in Serie A. The most defensive league in the World:smileani:
 

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Do not forget anything. Zico goal's ratio was also higher in Italy (playing for a small club) than in Brazil (playing for the top team here). It is silly to afirm that it shows anything like the quality of the defenders or fowards.
I just thought it was time somebody gave an alternate view, than the one being sold by europe.

Another point that needs mentioning.
Brazilian teams have won the various Inter-continental-championships more times than anyone. Sometimes that Brazilian team was even the one that won the Brazilian championship.
 

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Interesting.

You also need to admit that every one of those cases improved their game in Europe and became better players, though. I mean... Pato for instance. He was a kid when he left. Even if the goal average is the same, it's against much better defenders and it cannot even be argued that all these players got better after leaving Brazil.
Pato is in his maturing process boludo, a ver si le enseñaron a jugar a Lisandro, Lucho y cia en Portugal...no seas mamerto, hay mas de un jugador que hasta empeora en Europa por no saber imponer su manera de jugar...deja de repetir cliches.

Cada Liga tradicional en el mundo tiene mas que nada un estilo distinto, predominante a otra, pero no hay enormes diferencias...
jodiendo un poco si Pato le metia un caño a cata Diaz en Sudamerica, tambien se lo mete en Europa...y Marcelo iba a correr tanto en el Benabeu como en la Bombonera si al Cata se le escapa un tornillo...con la abundancia de jugadores sudamericanos en Europa, es casi como ir de Buenos Aires a Cordoba..son las mismas caras de siempre...

son otros los factores inciden en el progreso o estancamiento de un jugador, dificilmente la Liga Belga sea masivamente superior a la Argentina, pero alli Biglia y Pareja encontraron su punto de maduracion y dieron hasta ahora lo mejor de sus carreras, lo de Biglia en Independiente y Argentinos Jr por ejemplo habia sido desastrozo y al menos en el Anderletch encontro un lugar donde pudo tener un par de muy buenas temporadas...
 

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We are the 4th best league in the world.... could be #1 if we had professionals and capitalists running the league. Anyway, that is a whole different subject and would have to change the country completely.

We are 4th best league in the world..... IL FENOMENO plays in our league, Fred, Adriano, Kleberson, Keirrison, Neymar, Ramires, D'Alessandro etc..etc....etc...

We got more talent than the German Bundesliga!: :proud:
 

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and Maxi lopez...
 

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...pero eso si, que lindo es ver correr ese pelito platinado, es como ver a Lauren Bacall escapando de humprey Bogart en celo...
 

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Btw


The league will start sunday, and their are a plentful of teams that are favourites to win it:

- Corinthians
- Sao Paulo
-Palmeiras
- Cruzeiro
- Inter
- Flamengo

That's 6 top teams that have a realistic chance of winning it.... doubt any other top league in the world has so many alternatives of a team being champion.
 

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there is just NO WAY palmeiras and flamengo have more of a chance of winning than grêmio. but anyway, it's been usually like this. just remember last year... internacional were supposed to be favourites and they couldn't even manage to reach the top 5
 
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