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2005/2006:

Roma 2 - Seina 3 (Seina playing one man down from 56th min)
Roma 1 - Juve 4
Palermo 3 - Roma 3 (Roma winning 3-0 until the 60th min)
Chievo 4 - Roma 4 (Roma winning 3-1 at the end of 1st half)

Inter 3 - Roma 1 (Coppa italia)
Red Star 3 - Roma 1 (Uefa cup)


2006/2007:

Lazio 3 - Roma 0

Manu 7 - Roma 1


2007/2008:

Dortmund 4 - Roma 0 (Friendly)
Juve 5 - Roma 2 (Freindly)

Inter 4 - Roma 3 (Super Coppa)(Roma winning 3-0 till 44 min)
Torino 3 - Roma 1 (Coppa italia)

Roma 1 - Inter 4
Seina 3- Roma 0
Emboli 2 - Roma 2 (Roma winning 2-0 till 65 min)
Roma 1 - Livorno 1 (possibly won scudetto if kept clean sheet for 4 min more)



2008/2009:

Spurs 5 - Roma 0 (Friendly)
Steua 3 - Roma 1 (Friendly)

Palermo 3 - Roma 1

Roma 1 - some team from somewhere 2 (we scored 1st!)



Let's hope Spalletti has done his trademark results for this season in the first 2 weeks of the season. :angel:
 

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Please don't put friendly's in the list and expect people to take you seriously. C'mon...

Every manager has good and bad results, Spalletti differs from no-one in this regard. We've had a few poor games, but also some fantastic ones over the past three seasons as well. What about Lyon 0 - 2 Roma, Milan 1 - 2 Roma etc. etc. The list goes on. It is easy to just look at the negatives.

As somebody has already mentioned our biggest issues are:

- Not being able to hang onto a lead, even when its 2 goals or more
- Concentration levels are poor when we need cool heads
- The team lacks grinta and is sometimes incapable of closing out a game

I could go and pick poor results from any team/manager in the world including the best.
 

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Yes but at the same time those results do count and at times count more since you can win beautifully and still get 3 points and lose like we did in those games and lose all UCL hopes and all Scudetto hopes.

I was one of the first to want Spalla as coach, clearly he is not a coach for big tournaments.
 

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I was one of the first to want Spalla as coach, clearly he is not a coach for big tournaments.
Yeah, because before him we always reached at least the semis of CL.:rollani:
 

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Haha yeah that comment was funny. Spalletti did about as good as he could in the previous 2 CL tournaments... beating Lyon and Madrid before going out to the very strong Man U.
 

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Yeah, because before him we always reached at least the semis of CL.:rollani:
Did I say that? No, so it is not funny nor smart for you to act like that.
I just know that we are always few points short of victory and that we get HUMILIATED in UCL all the times.
 

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Well this is the 2nd time with Spalletti we have been humiliated in UCL... the Man U game, which can happen and then yesterday, but this can also happen to any team (I remember Man U lost to a Hungarian team in the prelims, but came through eventually of course, Liverpool were seconds away from a penalty shoot out with Standard Liege a month ago, sh!t happens).

Spalletti has been in the UCL for 3 years though now, before him the humiliation was clearly not because of him, the Kiev, Leverkusen games, the Liverpool game where we barely exited our half :D and so on...
 

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The point is Spalletti has done much better in CL than any other Roma coach, so I don't get how can you say "he's not a coach for big tournaments". I'd say his CL record is better than his Seria A one, reaching the quarters twice is very impressive given our history and resources.
 

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We have always been embarrassing in Europe. Especially before Spalletti took over.

Spalletti has done very well in Europe, much better than Capello ever did and he had Batistuta etc.

Although funnily enough, the year we lost 7-1 to Man Utd I still believe was our best chance to win CL, or at least make the final. As strange as it sounds considering we were belted by Man Utd, Milan won that year FFS. We were a much better side than they were and IMO would have beaten them given the chance. Of course no guarantees but I doubt we will ever get that close again, because alot of big teams were knocked out before the semis.
 

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I support the debate about Spalletti's position, but I disagree with many of the arguments used against him. I also disagree with the core of the discussion. Instead of looking back at the past, we should be looking at the present and the future. If you decide to look back, and you also decide to have the decency to give Spalletti all the credit he deserves, you'll come to a clear conclusion: Roma has improved dramatically since he took the job. We've had ups and downs - but for the most part we've had a solid progression. Putting that into perspective: Spalletti has been an unconditional success.

A far more interesting subject is whether Spalletti is the right man to bring Roma further. Is he the right man to build a winning team, to get the most out of Il Capitano and our future captain? I'm not sure. He almost insinuated that the mentality of the team is something he feels unable to change. I think, however, that the most interesting subject in this debate is what we'll do without Spalletti. Who will replace him? Ancelotti, who I look at as the key to keeping Milan from winning? And what is there to build a new team on? We've bought players to this system and I wouldn't be the man in charge of adapting this group of players to a whole new system. If changes are to be done, it should be done at the end of the season.
 

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The point is Spalletti has done much better in CL than any other Roma coach, so I don't get how can you say "he's not a coach for big tournaments". I'd say his CL record is better than his Seria A one, reaching the quarters twice is very impressive given our history and resources.
I recall us getting second place last year and were close to win the Scudetto, how is his Serie A record better than his UCL when in UCL he got humiliated 8-3 on aggregate?

Well this is the 2nd time with Spalletti we have been humiliated in UCL... the Man U game, which can happen and then yesterday, but this can also happen to any team (I remember Man U lost to a Hungarian team in the prelims, but came through eventually of course, Liverpool were seconds away from a penalty shoot out with Standard Liege a month ago, sh!t happens).

Spalletti has been in the UCL for 3 years though now, before him the humiliation was clearly not because of him, the Kiev, Leverkusen games, the Liverpool game where we barely exited our half :D and so on...
No, it doesn't JUST happen Deano. You don't lose against any team 7-1. That is the second worst record in the UCL history after the Besiktas one. Clearly we disagree or can't understand each other about Spalletti.
 

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It was a poor game (especially considering Man Utd had a few players out), but Spalletti has done better than any other Roma coach in the CL in recent times.

Making the quarters two years in a row is a good achievement considering our squad, budget and obviously limitations. But you are right, it is simply unacceptable to lose 7-1.
 

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If you decide to look back, and you also decide to have the decency to give Spalletti all the credit he deserves, you'll come to a clear conclusion: Roma has improved dramatically since he took the job.
Absolutely, no body can deny that.

We've had ups and downs - but for the most part we've had a solid progression.
Here, I disagree. Nothing changed over the last two seasons both results and performance wise. If anything I feel the team performance was better in 2006/07 than 2007/08.


I think, however, that the most interesting subject in this debate is what we'll do without Spalletti. Who will replace him?
To answer this, just look back at our history. I feel we reached a point similar to where we were at the begining of the new Millennium. Good team, but not good enough, just few steps away from glory.

Simply, we need to do like what we did before. Take those extra steps and bring someone to cash in on this team before it is too late. We need couple of high quality players and a hardcore tactician master. Just find someone with Capello's characters, a firm old school football mind with strong personality and vision in his game mixed with experience in winning champions.

IMO Ancelotti has all that.

Is it the right time to sack Spalletti? Now thats a difficult one to answer.
 

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I just don't get why we have to keep reminding ourselves that "Yeah, we almost won the Scudetto by few points twice already and it really pisses us off, but yeah, Spalletti has done better than any coach in recent time so... who cares"... **** THAT! I wanna win! I WANT THEM ****ING TROPHIES! And as far as UCL, I never expected us to win it of course, but also not to lose 7-1. Unacceptable. Period.

I am not saying it is all of Spalletti's fault, of course not, but he sure plays a big role since a lot of times we purely for stupid tactics.
 

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Is it realistic though, to be demanding us to win trophies?

Since 1927 we have won only three scudetto's, a few Italian Cups and one European trophy.

We are not traditionally a side that wins trophies, never have been.
 

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Spalletti must have a tactical alternative for the 4-2-3-1 when the key players for it are absence or unfit (Totti, Perrotta) and when we lack real wingers,i said before it is not good against medicore team but it seems now it doesnt work against anyone, if he doesnt have the alternative then we will need new Coach maybe Ancelotti but Roma cant sack Spalletti right now and it is wrong to sack him now .
 

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I don't pretend to win when I know the team does not have the potential but we do and did for a while now and we still didn't win anything solid such a Scudetto or a UCL. Now we are even losing the Coppa Itali and Super Coppa Italiana... come on people.
 

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a hardcore tactician master. Just find someone with Capello's characters, a firm old school football mind with strong personality and vision in his game mixed with experience in winning champions.

IMO Ancelotti has all that.
There could not be two more different personalities in Italian football than Capello and Ancelotti. Night and day, there is absolutely nothing hardcore about Ancelotti, probably not even in his porn collection.

You're quite sure you know what you're talking about?
 
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