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Let us begin this neverending list:
1. the hair-raising show whereby Camacho resigned.
2. The dark transfer of Ze-Roberto by which 650. millions ptas were lost without track.
3. Far from letting Pirri(General Manager)carry his duties, Sanz and Onieva travel twice a year to South America so as to scout for players.
4. The signinig of Congo due to a letter sent to the club telling that Congo was awesome. Congo has not even played for Valladolid.
5. How can Karembeu be one of the best paid players?
6. Leaking of information that result in getting our players in a more expensive way. The signinig has to be announced when is already done.
7. The selling of Seedorf (which I agree) was carried out just to face the firts payment of players´wages.
8. Club´s workers are forced to sign silence clauses if they want to resign (covering what?).
9. The Anticorruption Attorney hinted he was going to investigate Real Madrid. Sanz was horrified. Eventually the victim was Atlético Madrid but that means which the same can happen to us.
10. The club works almost in an exclusive way with one agent Zoran Vekic. There is something fishy around here.
11. I still do not understand a 36.000.000 ptas comission in the transfer of Victor to Deportivo when that was an agreement between the presidents.
12. 68.000.000 ptas of making-up in the balance sheet of this year impossible to know where has gone.
13. 3.000.000 ptas taken out from the club´s cash so Sanz could play Poker.
14. The wages of Djordevic (basketball player) around 2.5 million dollars.
15. The exit of Mijatovic, one of the seventh CL heroes, through the back door last summer.
16. To spoil Hierro letting him asking for players for his line. Outrageus.
17. Six coaches in four years.


The guy is laughing at us

Hala Madrid¡¡¡
 
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Hmmm... I'll answer a couple of these to the extent that I feel comfortable with my response:


:Let us begin this neverending list:
:1. the hair-raising show whereby Camacho resigned.

Irrelevant. I think.

3. Far from letting Pirri(General Manager)carry his duties, Sanz and Onieva travel twice a year to South America so as to scout for players.

I think it is very common for Presidents to go abroad and scout. Twice a year is not extensive. This doesn't seem strange to me, though I do think he could let Pirri have a little more control.

5. How can Karembeu be one of the best paid players?

I don't think he is. If he is, there are 3 reasons: World Cup victory, 2 CL victories and now a European championship.

6. Leaking of information that result in getting our players in a more expensive way. The signinig has to be announced when is already done.

I don't understand.

7. The selling of Seedorf (which I agree) was carried out just to face the firts payment of players´wages.

The selling of Seedorf because he was an ass and couldn't get on with the team. How many bust ups did this guy have with his teammates?

8. Club´s workers are forced to sign silence clauses if they want to resign (covering what?).

*Very* common in large corporations and perfectly legal.

9. The Anticorruption Attorney hinted he was going to investigate Real Madrid. Sanz was horrified. Eventually the victim was Atlético Madrid but that means which the same can happen to us.

Either that or he didn't have an *evidence* which would justify his investigation. If anything was there, they would have gone for it.

10. The club works almost in an exclusive way with one agent Zoran Vekic. There is something fishy around here.

Common with top agents. Example - when the Chicago Bulls were a good team, almost all signings (or all major ones) went through one agent, a guy named Falk.

13. 3.000.000 ptas taken out from the club´s cash so Sanz could play Poker.

that's odd.

14. The wages of Djordevic (basketball player) around 2.5 million dollars.

the problem?

15. The exit of Mijatovic, one of the seventh CL heroes, through the back door last summer.

how do you mean through the back door? we're not talking conspiracy are we? guys, players come and go, even really good ones. it's a sport.

16. To spoil Hierro letting him asking for players for his line. Outrageus.

I don't think that's spoiling at all. He was the captain and he is the anchor of the defense.I call it trust.

17. Six coaches in four years.

Ok, I think we know by Toshack had to go. I think Hiddink was a bit of a surprise though.
 

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I don´t know if Pablo75 know that Sanz was during 11 years the right hand of Mendoza (the guy who almost bankrupted us). Even if you did not know that,I think that taking 20.000 dollars out of the budget for gambling is not odd, is stealing. This is in all the papers and Sanz has not denied it (stating it was for encouraging others teams to beat our rivals). But there were some more people around the poker table...
I also forgot to mention that he sold 40000 square meters of the Ciudad Deportiva for 20 millions dollars in a missappropiate way (real value much higher), I think that is trashing the heritage of the club.
Vekic, the monopolist agent, earned 2 million dollars in the selling of Mijatovic worth 12 million dollars. Then again there is something fishy with that love for Vekic.
The affaire Camacho is for you irrelevant, well not for me, if someone like Camacho so in love with Real Madrid resigned it was because Sanz did not want to lose power in the sport area, then again the worst mistake a President can make not to let the coach work at his ease.
 

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So what if Camacho resigned that is nothing.

Mijatovic had outlived his usefulness for the club.

Toshack was Sanz fault. It was a cowardly act for Sanz to have hired him in the first place. Panicked because the locker room was out of controll :( Hiddink was ineffectual.

Karembeu didn't do much aside from the 7th which doesn't merit him getting paid that well.

I think that Sanz needs to be investigated. He plays dirty.
 

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1. the hair-raising show whereby Camacho resigned.

*** Who's fault was it?

2. The dark transfer of Ze-Roberto by which 650. millions ptas were lost without track.

*** Tell me more...I know nothing:eek:


4. The signinig of Congo due to a letter sent to the club telling that Congo was awesome. Congo has not even played for Valladolid.

*** Let's not exagurate. he played once or twice for valladolid, that's for sure:D

5. How can Karembeu be one of the best paid players?

*** Very simple, when we were geting him, it was a real war with barca for him. We had to offer more, so he got a lot. Then we he started warming the bench, you don't expect him to come to Sanz and say: I'm no good anymore so lower my salaries please:D

7. The selling of Seedorf (which I agree) was carried out just to face the firts payment of players´wages.

* I agree, a scandal, but I also think Seedorf was no good for us:mad:

11. I still do not understand a 36.000.000 ptas comission in the transfer of Victor to Deportivo when that was an agreement between the presidents.

*** Tell me more....:eek:

15. The exit of Mijatovic, one of the seventh CL heroes, through the back door last summer.

*** I hate him for this. One of the best players we ever had and such a sad ending:mad:

17. Six coaches in four years.

*** It happens:D


I agree, Sanz is worth shi*!:mad:
 
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can you give some more in formation on the ze roberto and victor stuff.
it just goes over my head.
 
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