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It's a Sad reality but true, some of our supporter are so darn negative and fatalist that they should never be able to celebrate a championship.

Strangely enough everytime we win is: ''oh, we play soooo bad but we were lucky'', " even if we came out with the 3 points, we wont achieve anything playing this way" " Inter sucked but won", then if we lose one game its like : '' I told you so" ''Our lucky streal has ended''.

I saw Osasuna destroy Real Madrid today, Juve has won 2 games with late own goals ( Milan and Bologna), Roma gets the incredible penalties, but for some of our fans we must play perfect, winning its just not enough.

Ronaldo comes and win the games for us, however the pessemistic interisti quickly point out that he had a bad game, he was just "lucky". I havent found many Milan fans saying Shevchenko goal vs Juventus was lucky!

Sure I can see why some of us are cautious and are afraid to see us on the bright side, simply due to the fact, that our recent past has brought horrible moments, still we are leading SerieA with 3 games to go, this is a time for joy to reflect and enjoy these good times.

If Ronaldo had the attitude of some fellow members here, he would had never come back from his terrible injuries, The same with Vieri and his saving goals, nothing in life its a given, and things are earn fighting like Inter is doing now.

Now for the guys that are celebrating this victory, being hopeful for a Ronaldo return, and Still believe we can make it, those who aint nit picking every bit, (just to make what should be a happy moment a anxiety and doubt) Dont let Ignorance and negavity fool you, WE CAN MAKE IT!.
 

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True,I would never be able to celebrate a Scudetto HERE! Just because I point out that Ronaldo wasn´t doing that good (I am obviously one of those you talk about since I haven´t feared pointing out Ronaldo´s extremely bad passes) doesn´t mean I am negative and less of an Inter fan than you are. Yes,that is what this topic seems to be about. Showing some superiouty as a fan. Ridiculous and offensive towards every Inter fan that could see that yesterday we didn´t played good at all. How surreal should we be then? Should we comment about a match and say how great we were when I saw that we weren´t? Should I rate a match like this like it was against Roma when we were outstanding? Should I say that Ronaldo was flawless when in fact he went down on every struggle because he seemed awfully weak in his body and his passes were being very bad?

What made us so damn great yesterday then? I´m freaking happy and sitting here with my Inter jersey on,on my way to school and show the whole freaking school that we won and are on top of the table,so don´t give me this crap that some Inter fans don´t deserve the Scudetto. Not only positive,surreal and non-objective Inter fans deserves the Scudetto. I know we were bad yesterday,but I´m still VERY happy about the result and that´s why I can proudly walk to school with my jersey on.

What makes you deserve it and not us?

This is a really offensive topic!
 

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Maybe some fans miss the good old days or is it the bad old days when Inter used to underachieve and then have a good moan about it. :)
 

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Nah,that´s not it. Some fans just can´t take that some other fans of the same team look at football in a different way. What is irritating by this topic is that no names are mention,a huge generalisation and with some sense of that "I love Inter more than you do" attitude. Which of course is ridiculous since we all here loves Inter no matter how objective we are.

I think it is sad that people that perhaps has sacrifised a lot in their lives because of Inter get comments that you don´t deserve winning a Scudetto just because you critizise the team. What kind of egoism is that may I ask? Is SAC the only one that should be allowed to celebrate the Scudetto? Is SAC the only real Inter fan among us,because he´s extremely positive and think football in a different way? That´s the thoughts I get when reading this topic and once before had been said that I don´t know how it feels because I don´t have the same passion for Inter as he does.

Atleast he could have named some names and let them get a decent chance of defending themselves. I´m merely defending myself since I have had heard before that I don´t have the same passion about Inter as my Swedish team (which everyone who knows me knows what kind of laugh that is) plus the comments about Ronaldo has been said by me and Tim here,so I take a wild guess and think I´m among these people who doesn´t deserve winning a Scudetto.
 

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Come on SAC, everyone has their own way of supporting the club, and in this case, Inter. Some are hugely optimistic, some are the direct opposite, and still some are in varying degrees inbetween. But that doesn't mean that we all don't deserve to share in the success of Inter? I am more pessimistic than optimistic in regards to Inter because i am afraid that if i get my hopes too high, i will be greatly disappointed if we fail. Does that mean that i deserve the scudetto less?

Your accusation to no one in particular is rather disturbing. I don't know who you're pointing that out to, but i don't think anyone here would love to see it direct at him/her. After all, we're all black & blue in our hearts, and anything good that happens to Inter should be shared with all of us, but not only for those who are the most optimistic in the crowd.

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everybody its trying to find the right place to celebrate should we celebrate here or should we celebrate there don't worry cause you will celebrate no where;) ;) ;)

i am sorry to say this but if roma don't win it look at the remaining matches look it hwo juve plays and inter plays int chievo and olimpico mannn i feel sorry for you guys another season on the brink
 

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Juve's remaining games are all easy and winnable. I put my money on Juve winning lo scudetto, NOT Inter, they have very hard games still to play:eek:
 

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Let's get this straight. You can be critical of your club or be painfully blind towards what is going on. But at whatever part of THAT spectrum you fall within, it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with how you feel about the club.

I don't see how criticising a club is incompatible with being a DIE-HARD fan of that club.

Here's a general example. Your Dad says: Hey Son, you're not working hard enough. Hmmm...isn't that a criticism of your work ethic? Doesn't mean he doesn't love you though (it might for some of you guys, but that ain't my problem AND I'm speaking in GENERAL TERMS).

I also don't see how being full of praise and being blind to any obvious faults makes you a better fan than those who choose to criticise. If anything, being blind doesn't reflect on your love on the club. Instead being blind would probably have far wider implications - it reflects upon you as a person.

Okay, your 5 minutes are up. For more psychiatric advice, make another appointment.
 

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA:howler:

y'all kids make everything so damn complicated.

So what if sac says some pessimistic fans can't celebrate if inter wins the title?? Honestly.

This issue is very PHUCKING simple. Inter hasn't been playing the best football we CAN but the result says otherwise. To a degree some fans here are "dissapointed" by the level of display from games they/we know they can perform.

ITs certainly reasonable to be realistic and discuss the situation on the field, my goodness, if we can't, then who can?
AT THE SAME TIME, it's reasonable to feel overjoy because we are on top.

So, my opinion on this matter is that, we are entitled to have our own feelings towards this dilema.

BUT i'll tell you this--Those who are being pessimistic and overly judgemental about inter's performance are only hurting themselves, because they can never truely enjoy the feeling of being a CHAMPIONS' fan.

And jimmy, i dont think you have to be too uptight about this, we all know that no "perfect" performance can sustain through time in pro football, or in any other sport for that matter.
 

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I define the word pessimism of what people might see me as, by saying it is realism. When I write about matches or any player I write it with my realistic thinking and not surrealistic. That however will look in the eyes of an overly positive Inter fan as pessimism and completely negative.

But you don´t see me pointing out fingers to the so called "positive" Inter fans that they don´t deserve to win the Scudetto,so I believe that the "positive" Inter fans shouldn´t say things like this to the so called "pessimistic" Inter fans.

But again,I withdraw myself from saying that I am pessimistic. I can be extremely pessimistic when we are losing a match while I´m watching it,and when we score two goals and wins the match it overcomes by extreme positive thoughts and cheering,while I calm myself down AFTER the match and try to make objective points. Obviously not appriciated by everyone...
So realistic is the word to describe me anyway.

Firduas,great reply! To even try to compete passion and love for a team among the same groups of fans,is something I am negative about.
 

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sorry to interupt but you guys are sick ... you are opn a verge of your biggest success since most of you remember themselves walking but are ready to blow it way due to some weird personal or whatever stuff ... it will be very sad here if you win the Scudetto under such circumstances ...

and Jimmy, you have always been a man of reason since I first saw you as Recoba at MM ... till can't believe you abdicate from here ... but I respect your choice anyway ...
 

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First of all I said "some Inter fans'' not most, or all of inter fans so saying I made some sort of generalization, its a lie. Now I've never said we shouldnt be critical about our perfomance, I actually was refering to the negative ways going on here.

As most of us know, there is constructive criticism, and also a destructive type. Now let me give 2 examples.


Constructive criticism :

Ronaldo really played his heart out, he wasnt that execptional or outstanding, which is reasonable since he has been out for such a long time and he is just getting back to form. Even if his perfomance was terrible by Ronaldo standards, it is good to see he is back on the path to greatness, let's hope this goes on. :D

Evil, malicious criticism :

I dont know what the hell these fans are talking about!, Ronaldo sucked big time, he is such a darn lucky guy, he was utter crap, had no pace, weak passes , couldnt shoot descently; we were lucky this time, but there is no need to be exicted about Ronaldo's performance.

As you can see this has nothing to do with a realistic way of expressing the events, Both description clearly explain how Ronnie wasnt in his best day, but the difference is one expects a better outcome in the future, while the other expects that what will come next wont be as promising.

I dont believe that we are ever 100% objective, we all have bias, and to think our way is the "TRUE" way of how describing life its probably a wrong stance.

Maybe I'm wrong when I say some fans dont deserve Inter winning the championship, but I see it like this, in life there are good athletes, bad athletes, good coaches, bad coaches good fans, and bad ones, etc etc. Tardelli was a bad coach and he didnt do enough to make inter descent and retain his job, Did tardelli earn the right of another year with inter? No

Frey wasnt the best keeper for us, and Cuper didnt think so either, he is now at Parma fighting relegation. Did he earn the right to play this year with internazionale? no.

When It comes to fans the only thing we can do to affect the team, is to trust and support them when they are good, and to make them know how bad they suck; when they are bad. Fans should try to keep each other spirit high as well, and transmit that to others and to the squad everywhere. Some fans are very loudsy at this, and in my opinion they dont contribute anything.

Sure there is no scientific proof to my ideas, I just dont wanna be around cynical supporters, it doesnt help at all.

Now Jimmy you must have a huge ego to believe I made this whole thread to inderectly attack you, I could go to the Brescia-inter thread and other threads and find many negatives guys, if you are in that small group fine, but to accuse me of proposing a surrealist way of accounting facts and so forth is highly ridiculous.

Am I a better fan in your own way of interpreting stuff? clearly not,since I'm not realistic enough for your way. So my positive thoughts would be misleading and possibly I'm setting lots of guys for a big dissapoitment.

Now this is what Ronaldo and Vieri have to say about those who, always are quick to point out the "lucky" goals. ( Vieri had lucky goal vs Milan, Recoba vs Roma [Zebina's own words] now Ronaldo is the fortunate one)
 

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Hey Ronaldo and Vieri, do you have a message for those guys who claim your goals are lucky ones? a Picture is worht 1000 words :D :tongue:
 

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You made a distinction between constructive and malicious criticism. As far as the fan of his soccer club goes, I can't see how criticism cannot be constructive even if the criticism is particularly harsh. If that is what the person believes, or that is the view that the person would like to express, so be it. Harsh criticism does not necessarily mean that it is malicious criticism.

Here's another example for you.

Your Dad says: 'Hey Son, take a bath. You stink'!

Hmmm...sounds like a particularly harsh criticism of your hygiene doesn't it? Does it mean that he doesn't love you though. Not necessarily by any means. (There may be some where it does, but again, that's not my problem and I'm speaking in GENERAL terms).

Okay your 5 minutes are up again. We almost made a breakthrough. For more psychiatric advice, I should be holding a seminar for those requiring psychiatric help at the Milan and Juve forums. Extremely great demand over there - they need a shrink more than anyone else. I mean, just look at the Milan forum - there's even a guy called Psycho!! :D
 

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You mean you didn´t made this whole thread for me? :crybaby: Wow,I´m dissapointed.

I said that I´m obviously one of those you were talking about since it has been only me and Tim saying these "harsh" things about Ronaldo,so obviously I would defend myself too. Doesn´t mean that I think you made the whole topic for me. If you had done it just for me,I wouldn´t react the way I did. I reacted the way I did since you insulted lots of Inter fans out there that thinks about the same as the people you don´t consider earning the Scudetto. THAT is why I said that the topic is offensive.

So no big ego here at all. I´m not the one claiming myself loving Inter more than other Inter fans.
 

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It's a Sad reality but true, some of our supporter are so darn negative and fatalist that they should never be able to celebrate a championship.

Strangely enough everytime we win is: ''oh, we play soooo bad but we were lucky'', " even if we came out with the 3 points, we wont achieve anything playing this way" " Inter sucked but won", then if we lose one game its like : '' I told you so" ''Our lucky streal has ended''.

I saw Osasuna destroy Real Madrid today, Juve has won 2 games with late own goals ( Milan and Bologna), Roma gets the incredible penalties, but for some of our fans we must play perfect, winning its just not enough.

Ronaldo comes and win the games for us, however the pessemistic interisti quickly point out that he had a bad game, he was just "lucky". I havent found many Milan fans saying Shevchenko goal vs Juventus was lucky!

Sure I can see why some of us are cautious and are afraid to see us on the bright side, simply due to the fact, that our recent past has brought horrible moments, still we are leading SerieA with 3 games to go, this is a time for joy to reflect and enjoy these good times.

If Ronaldo had the attitude of some fellow members here, he would had never come back from his terrible injuries, The same with Vieri and his saving goals, nothing in life its a given, and things are earn fighting like Inter is doing now.

Now for the guys that are celebrating this victory, being hopeful for a Ronaldo return, and Still believe we can make it, those who aint nit picking every bit, (just to make what should be a happy moment a anxiety and doubt) Dont let Ignorance and negavity fool you, WE CAN MAKE IT!.
Great post!!! :)
I wasn't a member of xtratime.com when Lazio was on their way to winning the 99/00 Scudetto but I was reading this site alot at the time and I observed a similar attitude with some of the Lazio fans. I was like 'What's wrong with you fellas, how can you not be lovin this?!?!?!'
Some people don't realise that not every team can play and win like the 1970 Brazil.
 

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But isn´t there a differency between saying for example:

1) No,I don´t like this position at all because we play really bad and I want us to play great in every match and only win matches that are great. Sure we might be leading and all,but I don´t care since we don´t play great. All players sucks and should be sold.

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2) We won the match,but we still weren´t playing well at all. However that shows our skills to be able to win matches without playing particulary well. We had problems with our passings and keeping ball possession. We can do a lot better than this.


This is a huge difference IMO and what makes this topic sp ridiculous. The ones that SAC points out that doesn´t deserve winning the Scudetto is people that uses the example number 2. The number 1´s is the extreme pessimistic fans that doesn´t seem to enjoy it at all. I for once are enjoying this as hell and I´m sure everyone elses does too. Then to acknowledge that we didn´t play good at all,but atleast won and that is what counts.

We ARE loving this!
 

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I wasn't a member of xtratime.com when Lazio was on their way to winning the 99/00 Scudetto but I was reading this site alot at the time and I observed a similar attitude with some of the Lazio fans. I was like 'What's wrong with you fellas, how can you not be lovin this?!?!?!'
Some people don't realise that not every team can play and win like the 1970 Brazil.
I am pretty sure that none of the Inter fans here minds winning the Scudetto.

Being an Inter fan has been really tough the last thirteen years, so it´s quite understandable that people don´t want to celebrate the victory in advance. That only makes the fall harder if we were to fail.

Saying that some fans don´t deserve the victory just because they aren´t overly optimistic is just absurd. It´s the amount of pain that we feel when Inter looses and the joy we feel when Inter wins that determines how much we deserve to celebrate the Scudetto.
 
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