[Marco]

A lot of people point to the fallout from the revolution but, what I don't understand is if you look at football pre-1954, all of the best coaches were Hungarian.

The Danubian way, the Hungarian way, that was how to play football.

How did Hungarian tactical acumen and training methodology just depredate into its current state?
Apologies if this has been discussed here already (if so, please point me in the direction of the conversation ) I just recently had my password reset after many many many years away from XT. I'm one of the XT originals!

 

[szövkap]

easy answer, Communists did

now some may say „but we were good during communism and the real downhill only started after it“, but that‘s a very superficial look at it

the death was a structural one. first thing the commies did was centralizing and controling the foci klubs. then, because the coaches were still from the old bourgeois system, they in 1960 installed a book - I call it the communist foci bible - after the rules of which all future foci coaches have to be educated. needless to say, that book is the exact opposite of what succesful bourgeois Danubian foci stands for and is just full of dumb shit. now since that day no Hungarian coach who was trained after this made somewhat of an impact. it‘s like as if they switched the lights off on that day. so every single foci coach 1960 to probably 2015, professional and amateur, senior team and kids level, learned his stuff from that crap. no surprise we have nobody to teach the kids.

 

[Marco]

That's a fair explanation.

Given the rich history Hungary has with football, is it conceivable that Hungary can rise again? Or, is that to steep a mountain to climb?

 

[szövkap]

That's a fair explanation.

Given the rich history Hungary has with football, is it conceivable that Hungary can rise again? Or, is that to steep a mountain to climb?

a very steep mountain atm. what we can hope for, is that they somehow fix the grass roots problem in the long term. and that as consequence thereof we may have every now and then a golden generation of sorts. the best we can hope for though is a stable place in european midfield, quality wise. like Sweden, Czechia or Poland.

 

[Marco]

So it's as if you had a manual for success in the 30s-to-50s, that your excellent coaches would enrich.

The commies took over, destroyed the manual, and presented their own manual.

And now, you found the old manual but, are missing those vital middle chapters that bridge the old football with the new?

By the way, not sure if you have read Jonathan Wilson's new book on Hungarian football : The Names Heard Long Ago. It's excellent.

 

[szövkap]

no, havent heard of Wilson‘s book, thx for the tip, will check

 

[Marco]

no, havent heard of Wilson‘s book, thx for the tip, will check

Do let me know your thoughts, should you read it

 

[Ronaldwho?]

Bentex.

For a long while us westerners could only access the true foci via something called Bentex TV.

I would rather watch Serie D with no commentary than the 1966 WC final if it was on Bentex TV.

Thus the end of interest in Hungarian football.



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[szövkap]

Do let me know your thoughts, should you read it

will surely do. already ordered it

meanwhile, I suggest you the lecture of this little thread of mine here

https://www.xtratime.org/forum/348-history-football/267653-szovkap%B4s-list-greatest-hungarians.html

 

[Aron]

There are two new books about our glorious history, Major mentioned them. One is supposedly filled with errors, can't remember if it's that one or not.

I'm sure the pre-Communist manual, if there is one, has long been lost:facepalm:

 

[Aron]

Looks like the other one..

Xtratime is fading like a bad rainbow, but guess what guys, a little surprise before it does.

Ta-Da! Two recent books were written about the Aranycsapat and in English. The team is getting very famous. Just freshly hot off the presses:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1066419768557744130

 

[Marco]

Interesting book by David Bailey.
I will pick it up, and then come back here and ask someone what the 51 mistakes are since my knowledge of the Hungarian language is zilch.

 

[Aron]

Stumbled across this by accident. Perhaps of interest..

 

[szövkap]

interesting stuff about The Szakma

 

[Aron]

Interesting is the word for it

 

[szövkap]

yeah because it's mostly stuff we were always saying, just in other words, and nice hearing it from an insider

funny when he mentioned that the MLSZ will now send a black limousine to "pick him up" like they would have in the old days pre-rendszerváltás

 

[Dandeer]

Amazing stuff Áron!

I have experienced the very same thing among the Hungarian Refereeing Committee. Csókosok és haverok mindenhol!

Even at megyei level you have to be friends, which is frankly ridiculous. I'm so glad I'm out.

 

[Aron]

Glad you enjoyed it or maybe you didn't

Csókosok és haverok would be ok as long as it's between people who know what they're doing on the foci pitch/training ground. It's not the least bit surprising this has lead us to sucking, but how it came to be this way certainly is.

 

[szövkap]

grass roots level foci is down for a long time (circa 1950), can't stress this enough.

 

[Dandeer]

So what do I do with my son? Is Szoboszlai's father's programme still ongoing in Fehérvár? Or should I bring him to Felcsút? I'm so confused.

Maybe we'll just stick to chess.