[Diavolo]

Most Gobbi fans here in XT as elawhere, till only a couple of weeks ago were slaughtering Ranieri, are you lot still of the same advice or........

 

[Diavolo]

Stop it! I don't know anymore :lala:

Ergo? :undecide::undecide:

 

[Diavolo]

I was pretty convinced Ranieri is bad for us a few weeks ago, the pathetic results. But now it's been an unexpected upturn, so I'm not sure. Provided we climb the table there won't be much to blame Ranieri for.

....but the real question here is, in order to climb that table, would you hold on to Ranieri or would you rather sack him? :undecide:

 

[Diavolo]

A self-motivated Juve beat real.

A crap game vs. Torino was won; and we got away with a few errors which Torino could've easily scored

Frankly speaking, the Bologna game was won by Nedved's brilliance.

Now the Roma game admittedly was a little more convincing...not to sound mean, but Roma are quite poor so far.

Try Real Madrid - Juve: Real at home, who are on a decent form, champions league, aiming at nothing less than 3 points. If Juve can win or at least control the game to a certain extent and earn a draw...and I'll start giving the positives to Ranieri.

Because honestly, despite the injury crisis, it looked like Ranieri had no idea what he was doing vs. BATE, Palermo, Napoli.... it really looked like a manager who lost control of his team, which is why we (I) were complaining!

...in other words your convinced that another coach would be topping Serie A aswell as it's CL Group if I well understood.

Whom would you sack him for?

 

[Diavolo]

Didnt think he would be sacked anyway in the middle of the season, but yeah I still want him OUT for next season. Thats whats vital, getting someone that will take us to another level, and not just a passenger.

If they wanted to fire him before the summer, I would love that too, provided they get an adequate replacement. Though with the management that is also the main issue, with the players they sign, I would somehow doubt they will make amble enough choice in this matter.

For the record, most Gobbi were in favor of an immediate sacking till only 2 weeks ago.

And again just for the record, last season Ranieri qualified Juve to the CL.

To make it simple, do you believe another trainer (Benitez, Mourinho, ....) would have performed better over the last 2 seasons?

 

[Diavolo]

Not topping Serie A/CL, after our transfer campaign I wasn't too optimistic...but neither did I expect them to be struggling at times.

IMO - on paper we're similar to the team of last season; therefore I expected Juve should've maintained last season's 4th-2nd place push.

Whom do I prefer? I'm still a believer in Deschamps as a manager, like a person who chooses players he wants for his team (like in the EPL where managers usually have influence over the transfer target, as opposed to the puppet we have). Of course Lippi was great...but he already experienced his second coming at Juve. Plus it's also due to the management. Imagine if Deschamps couldn't tolerate them, you think Lippi will?

So basically it comes down to expectations.

As a very personal opinion, IMHO Juve is performing on par with it's roster. Am I wrong?

 

[Diavolo]

...and Juve veterans in the future will not be around long to save our asses anymore - Del Piero, Buffon, Camoranesi, Nedved, TrezeGol...I'm not saying Juve should actively bid players in the transfer market for replacements ATM, but a proper manager would take these things into account and have such a vision for the future.

Sir Alex is an expert at this. It's like he knows the "expiry date" of his players and when it's the exact time to replace them.

Not saying SAF should join Juve lol...just an observation over the years.

Just for the record, Juve spends far more than Milan during the mercato window whilst spending just 5 MLN less on wages.

Back to Ranieri

 

[Diavolo]

Good topic Diavolo!

This is something i have been thinking about myself as well. If i am correct i remember people (well i also though so) stating that Ranieri should leave already during last season. Eventually i remember after the season ended, almost everyone was fine with Ranieri and wanted him to extend. And now the same thing happened again, when the results went bad. If we get a top 4 finish and a good run in CL (odds are good to get to the next stage) i can see many people again saying that Ranieri should stay bla bla etc etc.

Personally i aint the biggest fan on Ranieri (his CV speaks for himself, when we are talking about success).

Our problem though aint just manager, its the whole management. I still dont know how big of a say Ranieri has in transfers.

Thanks :thumbsup:

I'll leave it to you lot to continue now :thumbsup:

 

[Diavolo]

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[Diavolo]

Thats anyones guess, i never expected us to win or challenge for title after coming back to serie a. No manager would have managed to do that, with the squad we had. Now its different though, and questions rise mainly over the transfer policy. Now with the injury crisis it comes out even more clear.

Was it only Ranieris fault we couldnt get Vaart? Was it Seccos fault we couldnt get Alonso and went for Poulsen as alternative who hasnt really delivered.

I dont really know who to blame most when it comes to transfers. A manager like Mourinho would make sure he has a big say in transfers. Maybe thats why we opted for Ranieri in the first place. "You do your work and keep your mouth shut and everyone is happy".

One could argue that if the Agnelli's would write a check in order to sign Kaka, Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi and Ibra, probably Ranieri would not oppose the move :smileani:

later

 

[Diavolo]

A puppet...which has the full backing of management, because they decided the [crappy] transfer campaign!

How many 'failed superstar' targets did Juve's management 'achieve':

Pepe (Real Madrid)
Ever Banega (Valencia)
Rafael Van der Vaart (Real Madrid)
Diego (Werder)
Xabi Alonso (Liverpool)
Gabriel Milito (the defender, Barca)

...as stated earlier, Juve already spend far more than Milan. With these signings you lot would level Real Madrid, Chelsea and Inter as far as spending goes.

Anyway, if I well understood, most Gobbi here believe that another trainer would have topped Seria A aswell as the CL group. You lot know Juve stuff better than Ol'Diav, so I'll leave it here

 

[Diavolo]

Your intent with this thread is a poor attempt Diavolo p Actually thought you wanted to address the topic just for it self, but nah

In all fairness not really. Living in Italy, allows me to hear lots of stuff. I've been hearing a number of Juve fans suggesting that Ranieri should have been fired after Napoli vs Juve. As a follow up, now that Juve are almost qualified in CL and are well performing in Serie A, after having qualified to the CL last season, my question is simple.
Would another coach done better?

 

[Diavolo]

Oh come on Diavolo, we havent performed well in serie a, yeah couple of wins in a row, but look where we stand in serie a.

You have almost qualified for the CL though, with your group being a tough one.
Again, if another coach was in charge, where do you see him out-performing Ranieri?

 

[Diavolo]

Yes i do believe another coach would've.

the only time we looked convincing since the start of the season was after we scored the second goal early on against Roma. .

The Special One's Inter is on par with Ranieri then.

 

[Diavolo]

Ranieri lost me when he admitted we were playing for a draw against Napoli. My fear is that we'll get someone really incompetent thanks to our not very bright current management.

Would another coach done better? In terms of results for now - hardly, but the way we play can really hurt you if you support this team. Another coach could have said- NO, we dont need a player like Poulsen, lets spend the mony on a new left back or a more creative midfielder for instance. And in a long term we cant win anything with a coach who is content with a draw away from home. Juventus should always challenge for the title, i think it goes without saying Diavolo?

Don't know about his days at Juve, but even Capello had to shut-up with regards to signings when he was our trainer. Fair to add that Mourinho insisted and won his battle for Quaresma, but generally speaking, despite appearances, it's the board that signs players, hardly ever coaches.

 

[Diavolo]

In our case, Ranieri spefically said he did NOT want VDV and Xabi Alonso, two players that would have been easy to sign (VDV in particular would not been too costly), who wanted to come, wasnt really any obstacles except Ranieri NOT wanting them. He instead opted for meagre signings like Poulsen, Mellberg, Knezevic etc. He has leeway in improving our squad, and he has said often he has gotten players he asked for.

Signed:
Alessio Secco

 

[Diavolo]

Most Gobbi fans here in XT as elawhere, till only a couple of weeks ago were slaughtering Ranieri, are you lot still of the same advice or........

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[Diavolo]

Yes, I still want a better coach next season.

Its weird, but somehow I have something called AMBITION.

Any suggestions?

Furthermore, how would you overall rate his work over these 2 seasons so far?
Would another coach have achieved more?
If I well understand, in your opinion a more ambitious coach would have schooled good ol'Ranieri. Am I right?
In two words, you rate Ranieri in the same fashion as Mourinho (he labelled him as an a 70 years old loser a month or so ago)

BTW, Tuttosport shares your very same opinion.

 

[Diavolo]

Haha!

You are being too ridicolous and obvious with your intent to be foolish enough to seriously reply to you p

Not really Osman. I think that Ranieri has received a lot of stick.
I'll grant you that I cannot state for sure whether he's a great coach or not, for sure he's a decent and polite human being, and even guided your troops in a historic win in Madrid.
Other than that, I would not know what to add.