Most Gobbi fans here in XT as elawhere, till only a couple of weeks ago were slaughtering Ranieri, are you lot still of the same advice or........
....but the real question here is, in order to climb that table, would you hold on to Ranieri or would you rather sack him? :undecide:I was pretty convinced Ranieri is bad for us a few weeks ago, the pathetic results. But now it's been an unexpected upturn, so I'm not sure. Provided we climb the table there won't be much to blame Ranieri for.
...in other words your convinced that another coach would be topping Serie A aswell as it's CL Group if I well understood.A self-motivated Juve beat real.
A crap game vs. Torino was won; and we got away with a few errors which Torino could've easily scored
Frankly speaking, the Bologna game was won by Nedved's brilliance.
Now the Roma game admittedly was a little more convincing...not to sound mean, but Roma are quite poor so far.
Try Real Madrid - Juve: Real at home, who are on a decent form, champions league, aiming at nothing less than 3 points. If Juve can win or at least control the game to a certain extent and earn a draw...and I'll start giving the positives to Ranieri.
Because honestly, despite the injury crisis, it looked like Ranieri had no idea what he was doing vs. BATE, Palermo, Napoli.... it really looked like a manager who lost control of his team, which is why we (I) were complaining!
For the record, most Gobbi were in favor of an immediate sacking till only 2 weeks ago.Didnt think he would be sacked anyway in the middle of the season, but yeah I still want him OUT for next season. Thats whats vital, getting someone that will take us to another level, and not just a passenger.
If they wanted to fire him before the summer, I would love that too, provided they get an adequate replacement. Though with the management that is also the main issue, with the players they sign, I would somehow doubt they will make amble enough choice in this matter.
So basically it comes down to expectations.Not topping Serie A/CL, after our transfer campaign I wasn't too optimistic...but neither did I expect them to be struggling at times.
IMO - on paper we're similar to the team of last season; therefore I expected Juve should've maintained last season's 4th-2nd place push.
Whom do I prefer? I'm still a believer in Deschamps as a manager, like a person who chooses players he wants for his team (like in the EPL where managers usually have influence over the transfer target, as opposed to the puppet we have). Of course Lippi was great...but he already experienced his second coming at Juve. Plus it's also due to the management. Imagine if Deschamps couldn't tolerate them, you think Lippi will?
I think you are wrong. Juve were underperforming, as per the names on their roster...which as I said earlier is similar (if not identical) to the one which achieved 3rd last season.So basically it comes down to expectations.
As a very personal opinion, IMHO Juve is performing on par with it's roster. Am I wrong?
Just for the record, Juve spends far more than Milan during the mercato window whilst spending just 5 MLN less on wages....and Juve veterans in the future will not be around long to save our asses anymore - Del Piero, Buffon, Camoranesi, Nedved, TrezeGol...I'm not saying Juve should actively bid players in the transfer market for replacements ATM, but a proper manager would take these things into account and have such a vision for the future.
Sir Alex is an expert at this. It's like he knows the "expiry date" of his players and when it's the exact time to replace them.
Not saying SAF should join Juve lol...just an observation over the years.
Thanks :thumbsup:Good topic Diavolo!
This is something i have been thinking about myself as well. If i am correct i remember people (well i also though so) stating that Ranieri should leave already during last season. Eventually i remember after the season ended, almost everyone was fine with Ranieri and wanted him to extend. And now the same thing happened again, when the results went bad. If we get a top 4 finish and a good run in CL (odds are good to get to the next stage) i can see many people again saying that Ranieri should stay bla bla etc etc.
Personally i aint the biggest fan on Ranieri (his CV speaks for himself, when we are talking about success).
Our problem though aint just manager, its the whole management. I still dont know how big of a say Ranieri has in transfers.
Thats anyones guess, i never expected us to win or challenge for title after coming back to serie a. No manager would have managed to do that, with the squad we had. Now its different though, and questions rise mainly over the transfer policy. Now with the injury crisis it comes out even more clear.To make it simple, do you believe another trainer (Benitez, Mourinho, ....) would have performed better over the last 2 seasons?