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100 Greatest Footballers of All Time

Hello all, I used these forums a lot while researching early Football out of personal interest. Although the site seems quiet these days I thought I would share my list of the 100 Greatest Footballers of all time. Many of the popular posts here dismissed the modern game and it's stars, I think they can be compared to the old greats and hope anyone that reads this can keep an open mind.

I added "Ratings" to help distinguish how good I think each player was, compared to each other and the wider world of professional football, and some abbreviated information about each entry.

Rank: Name ---- Era -Position- Teams --- Rating
1: Pele --- 60s -CF- BRA/SAN ---94.7
2: Lionel Messi --- 10s -RW-ARG/BAR- -- 94.5
3: Diego Maradona --- 80s -AM- ARG/NAP --- 94.3
4: Johann Cruyff --- 70s -AM- NED/AJA --- 93.9
5: Alfredo Di Stefano --- 50s -AM- SPA/RMA --- 93.7
6: Cristiano Ronaldo --- 10s -LW- POR/MAD --- 93.6
7: Frans Beckenbauer --- 70s -CB- GER/BAY --- 93.4
8: Ronaldo Nazario --- 00s -ST- BRA/BAR --- 93.2
9: Ferenc Puskas --- 50s -ST- HUN/MAD --- 92.9
10: Garrincha --- 60s -RW- BRA/BOT --- 92.7
11: Michel Platini --- 80s -AM- FRA/JUV --- 92.6
12: Lev Yashin --- 60s -GK- SOV/DMO --- 92.5
13: Gerd Muller --- 70s -ST- GER/BAY --- 92.5
14: Zinedine Zidane --- 00s -AM- FRA/MAD --- 92.4
15: Eusebio da Silva --- 60s -ST- POR/BEN --- 92.3
16: Paolo Maldini --- 90s -LB- ITA/MIL --- 92.4
17: Zico --- 80s -AM- BRA/FLA --- 92.3
18: Giuseppe Meazza --- 30s -ST- ITA/INT --- 92.2
19: George Best --- 60s -RW- NIR/MAN --- 92.2
20: Franco Baresi --- 80s -CB- ITA/MIL --- 92.1
21: Marco Van Basten --- 90s -ST- NED/MIL --- 91.8
22: Bobby Moore --- 60s -CB- ENG/WHU --- 91.6
23: Didi --- 50s -CM- BRA/SAN --- 91.6
24: Romario --- 90s -ST- BRA/BAR --- 91.5
25: Lothar Matthaus --- 90s -DM- GER/FCB --- 91.5
26: Ronaldinho --- 00s -LW- BRA/BAR --- 91.5
27: Bobby Charlton --- 60s -AM- ENG/MAN --- 91.5
28: Jose Andrade --- 20s -DM- URU/NAC --- 91.5
29: Xavi --- 00s -CM- SPA/BAR- -- 91.5
30: Mattias Sindelar --- 30s -CF- AUS/FKV -- -91.5
31: Zizinho --- 40s- AM- BRA/FRA -- -91.4
32: Gaetano Scirea--- 80s -CB- ITA/JUV --- 91.4
33: Jose Manuel Moreno--- 40s -AM- ARG/RIV --- 91.4
34: Gianni Rivera--- 70s -CM- ITA/MIL -- -91.4
35: Stanley Matthews --- 40s -RW- ENG/STO -- -91.4
36: Dino Zoff--- 80s -GK- ITA/JUV -- -91.3
37: Telmo Zarra --- 40s -ST- SPA/BIL --- 91.3
38: Silvio Piola --- 30s -ST- ITA/LAZ --- 91.3
39: Jozsef Bozsik--- 50s -DM- HUN/HON --- 91.3
40: Gianluigi Buffon--- 00s -GK- ITA/JUV- -- 91.2
41: Juan Alberto Schiaffino--- 50s -AM- URU/PEN- -- 91.1
42: Sandor Kocsis--- 50s -ST- HUN/HON -- -91.1
43: John Charles--- 50s -ST- WAL/JUV -- -91.1
44: Daniel Passarella --- 70s -CB- ARG/RIV --- 91.0
45: Thierry Henry --- 00s -ST- FRA/ARS --- 91.0
46: Luis Monti --- 30s -CM- ARG/JUV --- 90.9
47: Paco Gento --- 50s -LW- SPA/RMA --- 90.9
48: Giacinto Fachetti --- 60s -LB- ITA/INT --- 90.8
49: Raymond Kopa --- 50s -AM- FRA/REI --- 90.8
50: Josef Bican --- 30s -ST- AUS/SLA --- 90.8
51: Imre Schlosser --- 10s -ST- HUN/MTK --- 90.8
52: Gordon Banks--- 60s -GK- ENG/LEI --- 90.8
53: Hector Scarone--- 20s -RF-URU/NAC- -- 90.8
54: Leonidas --- 30s- CF -BRA/SAP --- 90.7
55: Arsenio Erico--- 30s -ST- PAR/IND --- 90.7
56: Iker Casillas --- 00s -GK- SPA/RMA --- 90.7
57: Karl-Heinz Rumenigge--- -80s- ST GER/BAY- -- 90.7
58: Nandor Hidegkuti --- 50s -AM- HUN/MTK --- 90.7
59: Claudio Gentile--- 80s -CB- ITA/JUV --- 90.7
60: Peter Schmeichel --- 90s -GK- DEN/MAN --- 90.6
61: Roberto Baggio--- 90s -ST- ITA/JUV- -- 90.6
62: Djalma Santos--- 60s -RB- BRA/PAL- -- 90.6
63: Luisito Miramontes--- 60s -CM -SPA/INT- -- 90.6
64: Lazslo Kubala--- 50s -ST- HUN/BAR -- -90.6
65: Carles Puyol --- 00s -CB- SPA/BAR --- 90.6
66: Oliver Kahn --- 90s -GK- GER/BAY --- 90.6
67: Jimmy Greaves--- 60s -ST- ENG/TOT- -- 90.5
68: Ruud Gullit --- 80s -CM- NED/MIL ---90.5
69: Dragan Dzajic--- 70s -LW - YUG/BEL ---90.5
70: Tom Finney--- 50s -LW- ENG/PRE --- 90.5
71: Rivaldo--- 00s -ST- BRA/BAR --- 90.5
72: Ernst Ocwirk--- 50s -CM- AUS/AWN --- 90.5
73: Ricardo Zamora--- 20s -GK- SPA/BAR --- 90.5
74: Valentino Mazzola--- 40s -AM- ITA/TOR --- 90.4
75: Dennis Bergkamp--- 00s -CF- NED/ARS --- 90.4
76: Raul--- 00s -ST- SPA/RMA --- 90.4
77: Omar Sivori --- 50s -AM- ARG/JUV --- 90.4
78: Socrates--- 80s -AM- BRA/COR --- 90.4
79: Hugo Sanchez--- 80s -ST- MEX/RMA --- 90.4
80: Elias Figueroa--- 70s -CB- CHI/INT --- 90.4
81: Gunnar Nordal--- 50s ST SWE/MIL --- 90.4
82: Sepp Maier--- 70s -GK- GER/BAY --- 90.4
83: Adolfo Pedernera--- 40s- ST- ARG/RIV --- 90.4
84: Arthur Friedenreich--- 20s -ST-BRA/SAO --- 90.4
85: Jose Nasazzi--- 30s- CB- URU/NAC --- 90.3
86: Steven Gerrard--- 00s-CM- ENG/LIV - --90.3
87: Frank Rijkaard--- 80s -DM- NED/MIL --- 90.3
88: Jairzinho--- 70s -RW -BRA/BOT --- 90.3
89: Graeme Souness--- 70s- DM- SCO/LIV --- 90.3
90: Billy Wright--- 50s -CB- ENG/WOL --- 90.3
91: Fritz Walter--- 50s -AM- GER/KAI --- 90.3
92: Michael Laudrup--- 80s- AM- DEN/BAR --- 90.3
93: Johann Neeskens--- 70s- CM- NED/AJA --- 90.3
94: Kevin Keegan--- 70s -ST- ENG/LIV --- 90.3
95: Just Fontaine--- 50s -ST- FRA/REI --- 90.3
96: Peter Shilton--- 70s -GK- ENG/NOT --- 90.3
97: Uwe Seeler--- 60s- ST -GER/HAM -- -90.2
98: Luis Suarez--- 10s -ST- URU/BAR --- 90.2
99: Andres Iniesta--- 00s- CM- SPA/BAR - --90.2
100: Jose Santamaria 50s- CB- URU/RMA -- 90.2

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Nils Liedholm, Neil Franklin, Falcao, Ruud Krol, Alan Shearer, Gyorgi Sarosi, Giampiero Boniperti, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Kenny Dalglish, Carlos Alberto Torres, Paul Scholes.
 

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Yeah, nice list overall. Have some issues but I'll save that for another day.

Will just say I'd place Zico higher on the list personally.
 

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Yeah, nice list overall. Have some issues but I'll save that for another day.

Will just say I'd place Zico higher on the list personally.
I find Zico is a polarizing player, many Brazil fans rate him top 10, while general or European fans often underrate him heavily. A plethora of talent also contributed to Flamengo's success, and I think all the players above him proved themselves to wider audiences. But yeah it's easily argued that he should be higher.
 

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I find Zico is a polarizing player, many Brazil fans rate him top 10, while general or European fans often underrate him heavily. A plethora of talent also contributed to Flamengo's success, and I think all the players above him proved themselves to wider audiences. But yeah it's easily argued that he should be higher.
Zico played for audiences of 100k weekly at the biggest stadium of the of the world at the time , the Maracanã.

You may wanna check your attendances numbers while evaluating players...
 

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Zico played for audiences of 100k weekly at the biggest stadium of the of the world at the time , the Maracanã.

You may wanna check your attendances numbers while evaluating players...
By wider audiences I mean global, as in outside of Brazil. Just consider that while you and many others would rank Zico as one of the 10 greatest of all time, many fans don't rate him at all. I hoped to split the difference, respecting his accolades while being mindful of his flaws. He dominated the Brazilian League, is the greatest set piece taker of all time and played with great flare and beauty, but Flamengo boasted the best squad in the Americas at the time, and several European Leagues held more competition throughout the 70s and 80s.

Another polarizing player is Zidane. Nearly every fan of modern football thinks the Frenchman is one of the all time greats and easy deserves a top 10 spot but, they are biased towards the modern game in the same way many Brazil fans are biased towards Zico. Look at the players around Zico, Maldini won 5 European Cups, Meazza was the greatest of the Pre War Era and won consecutive World Cups, Eusebio scored over a goal a game throughout his career and is one of the greatest strikers of all time.

It's definitely an interesting discussion, I personally can't justify putting him above more universally acclaimed players like Eusebio, Muller, Garrincha, Ronaldo or Yashin, but could happily put him above Zidane and Maldini who also have their flaws. In my experience Zico is always overrated or underrated, it just depends on the author of the list, I didn't rate him this "low" out of ignorance but as an attempt to find middle ground between his loyalists and his critics.
 

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Gerrard above Iniesta is weird.
I don't rate Iniesta as highly as others. He's great at keeping the ball but Xavi was way better at playmaking, I would argue Iniesta was dependant on him to be great. Also his goal in the WC final boosted his rep heavily but he isn't a goalscorer, and Messi has unarguably been more important to Barca. His club loyalty and good image also inflate his reputation, but simply being on the list means I consider him an extremely talented player. Gerrard dragged Liverpool into relevancy and their Champions League Campaigns were built on his back, his morale and leadership make up for the vision Iniesta has over him.

They're only 13 places apart and to be honest I meant to swap Gerrard and Souness before posting this, it should be 10 places.
 

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Xavi was better in 2008 but Iniesta had a good tournament. He was great in 2010, probably the best player, but Spain were easily the best team in the world. Casillas, Puyol, Xavi, Villa, Torres when he was good, and their system was more or less built around getting the most out of Xavi and Iniesta. Spain's midfield was insane, I think Iniesta kind of played off the
cover he got from Busquets and the general approach Spain had to cover for his deficiencies. He was a great player but had a lot of help, everyone on the list is an incredible player.
 

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Hello all, I used these forums a lot while researching early Football out of personal interest. Although the site seems quiet these days I thought I would share my list of the 100 Greatest Footballers of all time. Many of the popular posts here dismissed the modern game and it's stars, I think they can be compared to the old greats and hope anyone that reads this can keep an open mind.

I added "Ratings" to help distinguish how good I think each player was, compared to each other and the wider world of professional football, and some abbreviated information about each entry.

Rank: Name ---- Era -Position- Teams --- Rating
1: Pele --- 60s -CF- BRA/SAN ---94.7
2: Lionel Messi --- 10s -RW-ARG/BAR- -- 94.5
3: Diego Maradona --- 80s -AM- ARG/NAP --- 94.3
4: Johann Cruyff --- 70s -AM- NED/AJA --- 93.9
5: Alfredo Di Stefano --- 50s -AM- SPA/RMA --- 93.7
6: Cristiano Ronaldo --- 10s -LW- POR/MAD --- 93.6
7: Frans Beckenbauer --- 70s -CB- GER/BAY --- 93.4
8: Ronaldo Nazario --- 00s -ST- BRA/BAR --- 93.2
9: Ferenc Puskas --- 50s -ST- HUN/MAD --- 92.9
10: Garrincha --- 60s -RW- BRA/BOT --- 92.7
11: Michel Platini --- 80s -AM- FRA/JUV --- 92.6
12: Lev Yashin --- 60s -GK- SOV/DMO --- 92.5
13: Gerd Muller --- 70s -ST- GER/BAY --- 92.5
14: Zinedine Zidane --- 00s -AM- FRA/MAD --- 92.4
15: Eusebio da Silva --- 60s -ST- POR/BEN --- 92.3
16: Paolo Maldini --- 90s -LB- ITA/MIL --- 92.4
17: Zico --- 80s -AM- BRA/FLA --- 92.3
18: Giuseppe Meazza --- 30s -ST- ITA/INT --- 92.2
19: George Best --- 60s -RW- NIR/MAN --- 92.2
20: Franco Baresi --- 80s -CB- ITA/MIL --- 92.1
21: Marco Van Basten --- 90s -ST- NED/MIL --- 91.8
22: Bobby Moore --- 60s -CB- ENG/WHU --- 91.6
23: Didi --- 50s -CM- BRA/SAN --- 91.6
24: Romario --- 90s -ST- BRA/BAR --- 91.5
25: Lothar Matthaus --- 90s -DM- GER/FCB --- 91.5
26: Ronaldinho --- 00s -LW- BRA/BAR --- 91.5
27: Bobby Charlton --- 60s -AM- ENG/MAN --- 91.5
28: Jose Andrade --- 20s -DM- URU/NAC --- 91.5
29: Xavi --- 00s -CM- SPA/BAR- -- 91.5
30: Mattias Sindelar --- 30s -CF- AUS/FKV -- -91.5
31: Zizinho --- 40s- AM- BRA/FRA -- -91.4
32: Gaetano Scirea--- 80s -CB- ITA/JUV --- 91.4
33: Jose Manuel Moreno--- 40s -AM- ARG/RIV --- 91.4
34: Gianni Rivera--- 70s -CM- ITA/MIL -- -91.4
35: Stanley Matthews --- 40s -RW- ENG/STO -- -91.4
36: Dino Zoff--- 80s -GK- ITA/JUV -- -91.3
37: Telmo Zarra --- 40s -ST- SPA/BIL --- 91.3
38: Silvio Piola --- 30s -ST- ITA/LAZ --- 91.3
39: Jozsef Bozsik--- 50s -DM- HUN/HON --- 91.3
40: Gianluigi Buffon--- 00s -GK- ITA/JUV- -- 91.2
41: Juan Alberto Schiaffino--- 50s -AM- URU/PEN- -- 91.1
42: Sandor Kocsis--- 50s -ST- HUN/HON -- -91.1
43: John Charles--- 50s -ST- WAL/JUV -- -91.1
44: Daniel Passarella --- 70s -CB- ARG/RIV --- 91.0
45: Thierry Henry --- 00s -ST- FRA/ARS --- 91.0
46: Luis Monti --- 30s -CM- ARG/JUV --- 90.9
47: Paco Gento --- 50s -LW- SPA/RMA --- 90.9
48: Giacinto Fachetti --- 60s -LB- ITA/INT --- 90.8
49: Raymond Kopa --- 50s -AM- FRA/REI --- 90.8
50: Josef Bican --- 30s -ST- AUS/SLA --- 90.8
51: Imre Schlosser --- 10s -ST- HUN/MTK --- 90.8
52: Gordon Banks--- 60s -GK- ENG/LEI --- 90.8
53: Hector Scarone--- 20s -RF-URU/NAC- -- 90.8
54: Leonidas --- 30s- CF -BRA/SAP --- 90.7
55: Arsenio Erico--- 30s -ST- PAR/IND --- 90.7
56: Iker Casillas --- 00s -GK- SPA/RMA --- 90.7
57: Karl-Heinz Rumenigge--- -80s- ST GER/BAY- -- 90.7
58: Nandor Hidegkuti --- 50s -AM- HUN/MTK --- 90.7
59: Claudio Gentile--- 80s -CB- ITA/JUV --- 90.7
60: Peter Schmeichel --- 90s -GK- DEN/MAN --- 90.6
61: Roberto Baggio--- 90s -ST- ITA/JUV- -- 90.6
62: Djalma Santos--- 60s -RB- BRA/PAL- -- 90.6
63: Luisito Miramontes--- 60s -CM -SPA/INT- -- 90.6
64: Lazslo Kubala--- 50s -ST- HUN/BAR -- -90.6
65: Carles Puyol --- 00s -CB- SPA/BAR --- 90.6
66: Oliver Kahn --- 90s -GK- GER/BAY --- 90.6
67: Jimmy Greaves--- 60s -ST- ENG/TOT- -- 90.5
68: Ruud Gullit --- 80s -CM- NED/MIL ---90.5
69: Dragan Dzajic--- 70s -LW - YUG/BEL ---90.5
70: Tom Finney--- 50s -LW- ENG/PRE --- 90.5
71: Rivaldo--- 00s -ST- BRA/BAR --- 90.5
72: Ernst Ocwirk--- 50s -CM- AUS/AWN --- 90.5
73: Ricardo Zamora--- 20s -GK- SPA/BAR --- 90.5
74: Valentino Mazzola--- 40s -AM- ITA/TOR --- 90.4
75: Dennis Bergkamp--- 00s -CF- NED/ARS --- 90.4
76: Raul--- 00s -ST- SPA/RMA --- 90.4
77: Omar Sivori --- 50s -AM- ARG/JUV --- 90.4
78: Socrates--- 80s -AM- BRA/COR --- 90.4
79: Hugo Sanchez--- 80s -ST- MEX/RMA --- 90.4
80: Elias Figueroa--- 70s -CB- CHI/INT --- 90.4
81: Gunnar Nordal--- 50s ST SWE/MIL --- 90.4
82: Sepp Maier--- 70s -GK- GER/BAY --- 90.4
83: Adolfo Pedernera--- 40s- ST- ARG/RIV --- 90.4
84: Arthur Friedenreich--- 20s -ST-BRA/SAO --- 90.4
85: Jose Nasazzi--- 30s- CB- URU/NAC --- 90.3
86: Steven Gerrard--- 00s-CM- ENG/LIV - --90.3
87: Frank Rijkaard--- 80s -DM- NED/MIL --- 90.3
88: Jairzinho--- 70s -RW -BRA/BOT --- 90.3
89: Graeme Souness--- 70s- DM- SCO/LIV --- 90.3
90: Billy Wright--- 50s -CB- ENG/WOL --- 90.3
91: Fritz Walter--- 50s -AM- GER/KAI --- 90.3
92: Michael Laudrup--- 80s- AM- DEN/BAR --- 90.3
93: Johann Neeskens--- 70s- CM- NED/AJA --- 90.3
94: Kevin Keegan--- 70s -ST- ENG/LIV --- 90.3
95: Just Fontaine--- 50s -ST- FRA/REI --- 90.3
96: Peter Shilton--- 70s -GK- ENG/NOT --- 90.3
97: Uwe Seeler--- 60s- ST -GER/HAM -- -90.2
98: Luis Suarez--- 10s -ST- URU/BAR --- 90.2
99: Andres Iniesta--- 00s- CM- SPA/BAR - --90.2
100: Jose Santamaria 50s- CB- URU/RMA -- 90.2

Honourable Mentions
Nils Liedholm, Neil Franklin, Falcao, Ruud Krol, Alan Shearer, Gyorgi Sarosi, Giampiero Boniperti, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Kenny Dalglish, Carlos Alberto Torres, Paul Scholes.
No Nesta? No Redondo? No Nilton Santos? No Cubillas? :surprise:
 

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No Nesta? No Redondo? No Nilton Santos? No Cubillas? :surprise:
I had Cubillas in there, must have cut him out when I copied it from Word. The rest are good players but a tier below the lowest here, all ranked around 140-160
 

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Starting to think it was stupid to post this, I mean looking through the list pinned in the history tab, I disagree with about half of it. World Football Historic Center: World's All-Time Greatest Footballers
Matthaus at 12, Ruud Gullit at 20, Lev Yashin 26, Romario 33, and its supposedly done by a system but when you nitpick certain players you can make the list look stupid.
All the comments here are "I think this 1 player was better", there are 100 of them, nobodies list is perfect. Pirlo's 25 places out, at best he can be argued in at around 70, I personally think his cool reputation and swagger make him slightly overrated, his only job was deep playmaking and he did it really well but there have been more rounded midfielders that can do the same thing. I have my reasons for rating Iniesta lower than normal and only rate Xavi so highly because I think more of their shared success was because of Xavi.
I hoped people would just be interested in 100 great players but if you want to feel good by nitpicking, I guess thats what forums are for. If any of you published your top 100 I could pull out 25 inclusions that I have different opinions on too.
 

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yeah there were legit people discussing whether Pirlo could be called Italy's best ever player after Euro2012: https://www.xtratime.org/forum/213-italian-national-team/268594-pirlo-best-italian-player-ever.html

Gianni Rivera at 34th and Pirlo at 124th is hard to comprehend
That poll has 3/1 against Pirlo being the greatest, in a thread largely interacted with by Pirlo Fans. It compares him to Baggio and Totti, dismisses defenders of Mazolla and Meazza, and literally states "Well, he is of course better than defenders", a hugely flawed argument to avoid comparisons with Maldini and Baresi. Rivera was miles better, Pirlo is one of the most beloved players of all time, it boosts his reputation , maybe he should be in the 100 but anywhere above 80 is nothing but bias.
 

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By wider audiences I mean global, as in outside of Brazil. Just consider that while you and many others would rank Zico as one of the 10 greatest of all time, many fans don't rate him at all. I hoped to split the difference, respecting his accolades while being mindful of his flaws. He dominated the Brazilian League, is the greatest set piece taker of all time and played with great flare and beauty, but Flamengo boasted the best squad in the Americas at the time, and several European Leagues held more competition throughout the 70s and 80s.

Another polarizing player is Zidane. Nearly every fan of modern football thinks the Frenchman is one of the all time greats and easy deserves a top 10 spot but, they are biased towards the modern game in the same way many Brazil fans are biased towards Zico. Look at the players around Zico, Maldini won 5 European Cups, Meazza was the greatest of the Pre War Era and won consecutive World Cups, Eusebio scored over a goal a game throughout his career and is one of the greatest strikers of all time.

It's definitely an interesting discussion, I personally can't justify putting him above more universally acclaimed players like Eusebio, Muller, Garrincha, Ronaldo or Yashin, but could happily put him above Zidane and Maldini who also have their flaws. In my experience Zico is always overrated or underrated, it just depends on the author of the list, I didn't rate him this "low" out of ignorance but as an attempt to find middle ground between his loyalists and his critics.
Zico played in serie a In then 80’s
Zico played in the best Brazilian team of his time
Zico played in the greatest team never to win the World Cup.

Then you mention garrincha , where in the 60’s telecommunications were not developed as in the 80’s

Then about critics and loyalists..... why don’t you watch him play and make your own analysis, instead of putting telecommunications technology on the mix.

I grew up watching Zico Play every week. The only player that can be compared him is Messi. I personally rate Zico Better than Maradona. Saw both play for years and years .
 
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