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When players are bought from other clubs so they have to agree, or can the club send them anywhere they want??For example, when Real Madrid bought Owen if he didnt want to leave liverpool can he do anything?
 

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The transfer can't be completed unless both player and club agree with all the terms. Simply put a player won't sign a contract to go elsewhere if he still has time left on his contract and he still wants to stay, and also it works the other way - if a club doesn't want to sell a player and he still has time left on his contract, they don't have to sell him.

Ashley Cole's contract runs out in June 2007. Arsenal don't have to agree to sell him if they don't want, but obviously most clubs will sell want-away players even if they are still wanted by the club for the good of the players careers and the club itself. Players can't discuss moves elsewhere until they get permission from their current club either.
 

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In Spain, the players can pay the buyout clause, which is an indemnization for the club for breaking the contract before its end. Also the club has the right to finish with the contract early, but paying the due salary.

For example, Figo payed the buyout clause to sign for Madrid and he didn't need the permission of Barça. Rivaldo did the same with Depor to sign for Barça. Also Ronaldo to sign for Inter.
 

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Koeman4 said:
In Spain, the players can pay the buyout clause, which is an indemnization for the club for breaking the contract before its end. Also the club has the right to finish with the contract early, but paying the due salary.

For example, Figo payed the buyout clause to sign for Madrid and he didn't need the permission of Barça. Rivaldo did the same with Depor to sign for Barça. Also Ronaldo to sign for Inter.
The _players_ pay the buy-out clause?

That somehow doesn't sound accurate to me.
 

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FigoIsGod said:
The _players_ pay the buy-out clause?

That somehow doesn't sound accurate to me.
It does. But the new club pays the player who then pays his current club.
 

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Is that why teams tend to put ridiculously high buy-out clauses in player's contracts in Spain? To prevent the players from buying themselfs out?
 

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FigoIsGod said:
The _players_ pay the buy-out clause?

That somehow doesn't sound accurate to me.
Yes, but that's the problem of the buy-out clauses. Who does believe that Figo had 60M € to pay the indemnization? Who does believe that Rivaldo had 27M € to pay the clause? No one.

Then, we enter in another question. Why don't the Spanish Tax Inspection do anything about it? Why is football lawless in Spain? That's another discussion though.

But the buy-out clauses must be paid by the players. Obviously, there is a lot of fraud, but... football is untouchable.

Everyone know that the clubs give the money to the players, but that's an illegal way to use these clauses. I guess that you know what I mean.
 

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leoshev said:
Is that why teams tend to put ridiculously high buy-out clauses in player's contracts in Spain? To prevent the players from buying themselfs out?
Yes, but that's another fraud. Theorically, the buyout clause must have some relationship with the salary, but it doesn't happen very often.

The buy-out clauses were created in the 80s after a footballer strike. Before all this, the clubs decided what to do with the players. They had no rights. The buy-out clause was a right of the footballer to leave a club whenver they wanted and it's an indemnization for the club.

But the buy-out clause lost all its meaning, because of the fraud. IMO, it should disappear. It doesn't have any sense, right now.
 

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It can also be a club paying the buy out.
That's what happens 99.9% of the time.
 

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the only restriction is taht a player cannot change to 2 clubs within the same season. Ex: If Morientes had been sold to Monaco and then after siz months be sold to Liverpool. That would not be allowed. As he went on a transfer to Monaco and then back to his original club Real Madrid.... then it will be ok for him to be sold to Liverpool
 

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Ze da Fiel said:
the only restriction is taht a player cannot change to 2 clubs within the same season. Ex: If Morientes had been sold to Monaco and then after siz months be sold to Liverpool. That would not be allowed. As he went on a transfer to Monaco and then back to his original club Real Madrid.... then it will be ok for him to be sold to Liverpool
Yes but FIFA have found that very difficult to police - hence some players have slipped through the net and have moved twice in 12 months e.g. Boumsong.
 

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When players are bought from other clubs so they have to agree, or can the club send them anywhere they want??For example, when Real Madrid bought Owen if he didnt want to leave liverpool can he do anything?
Well basically the thing is Owen did want to leave and when a player has made up his mind the club doesn't neccessarily have to oblige unless his contract expires and or the club and player have agreed with the club that the the player will be sold to in Owen's case that's Real Madrid. If Owen didn't want to leave but Liverpool wanted him to leave, he can say no I don't want to leave but he may not be played etc and will be sold as soon as his contract expires.
 

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If a club offers to pay the buy-out clause for a player, is his current club obliged to accept it? After all, the clause is in the contract between the player and the current club, not the buying club.

If Owen didn't want to leave but Liverpool wanted him to leave, he can say no I don't want to leave but he may not be played etc and will be sold as soon as his contract expires.
But once his contract has expired, the club has no rights to the player any more and cannot charge money for his transfer, under the Bosman ruling, no?
 

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But once his contract has expired, the club has no rights to the player any more and cannot charge money for his transfer, under the Bosman ruling, no?
Thats correct, the players benefit from this becuase they are able to recieve massive signing-on fees and much higher wages because of the absence of transfer fees.

Until 1963 players in England had to put in a transfer request if they wanted to move clubs. If the club refused to allow a player to move he would be tied to the club as long as his wages were maintained at least at the level of his previous contract. This 'retain and transfer' system meant clubs could pretty much control the employment lives of players. The idea of this system was to limit player mobility and wages and thus prevent all the top football players simply finishing up at the richest clubs. In the era of the maximum wage, this meant that the top players - England's Tom Finney at Preston North End, for example - spent their whole careers at their 'home' clubs that often experienced little success.

In 1977/1978 'freedom of contract' finally arrived. At the end of their contracts, players could now exercise their option to leave their club. If the club offered the player new terms that were at least as attractive as the old ones, then the selling club was still entitled to a transfer fee. If a fee could not be decided between the clubs, a tribunal would then decide the appropriate figure. When under contract in this new arrangement, players or their agents were explicitly not allowed to initiate transfer moves; it was up to the potential buyer to approach the club directly where this player was based. This system lasted until the ground-breaking Jean-Marc Bosman case in 1995.

We all know the Bosman ruling because it is being used in Modern Football ;).
 
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