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There seems to be a certain amount of regular italian section posters who think, if Carlo Ancelotti wins CL this season, his the best (ever?) italian coach.

So far his won 2 CLs and league titles in italy, england, france. Doesnt look like his gona win spanish league.
 

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Well, first of all he has to win the CL with Real Madrid. The difference between being the most winning and being the greatest choker is not that big in his case. :D
That said, the combo European CL+world cup of Lippi makes him the most winning IMO.
"The best" is not easy to define. The best is the one who achieved great results with more teams which on paper should not have achieved those results. TBH among the most winning ones I don't see many coaches doing it and not Ancelotti, who had teams built for winning most of times.
 

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I'd say Lippi would still have him beat, winning the CL 3 times would definitely be a great achievement, but winning the world cup in addition to his club achievements makes Lippi difficult to displace as number 1.

I also think that when assessing a coach, it's important to factor in how many years he coached a team, the quality of the team at his disposal and how much he achieved during that period.

And what i mean by that is, let's say Ancelotti stays at Real for the next 4 years, and they keep making exorbitant purchases and bringing in the best players in the world. If during this tenure he only manages to win the CL this season and no other trophy, would he still be the best Italian coach?

I don't think so.
 

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And lippi isn't a choker? Losing 3/4 cl finals while being the favorites in them all?
Absolutely.

But he still has enough on his CV to be considered the best, for now at least.
 

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You can't determine who the best manager is just by looking at wins. Ancelotti is okay but he is not the best. Lipi also had ups and downs. Each manager has their strong and weak points. For me, Capello coming to teams and changing them around in the first year to win championships always impressed me.
 

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Too much emphasis is being put on the WC win by Lippi imo. Lets not forgot that he was a massive choker in the CL losing 3/4 finals while being favourites and on top of that his wins in italy are quite meaningless considering the corrupt club he coached.

If accomplishments for a NT counts as that much more than those for club teams that Lippi can be considered "the best", then the whole thread becomes meaningless, because then the top 4 will just consist of the 4 coaches who win the 4 WC's making the discussion meaningless.
 

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Can you not be a complete cvnt for just one thread?

5 Scudetti when the league was at its peak is an ironclad qualification, and his credentials are further enforced by how many CL finals he reached, which mean his Juve teams did well in the CL and in the league. The only thing missing is he didn't win enough of those finals.

In contrast, Ancelotti in 8 years at Milan, with probably one their strongest sides in history only won Serie A once. That remains the biggest strike against him.

And that's not even factoring in the World Cup.
 

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Lippi second stint tarnished his legacy. In retrospect it was really hard not to win the WC with the 2006 squad, arguably one of the best italian generations in their peak. Not taking away anything from Lippi, he is a good coach but not the best. Far from it.
 

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Can you not be a complete cvnt for just one thread?

5 Scudetti when the league was at its peak is an ironclad qualification, and his credentials are further enforced by how many CL finals he reached, which mean his Juve teams did well in the CL and in the league. The only thing missing is he didn't win enough of those finals.

In contrast, Ancelotti in 8 years at Milan, with probably one their strongest sides in history only won Serie A once. That remains the biggest strike against him.

And that's not even factoring in the World Cup.


Did you open the thread to crown lippi?

Lippi second stint tarnished his legacy. In retrospect it was really hard not to win the WC with the 2006 squad, arguably one of the best italian generations in their peak. Not taking away anything from Lippi, he is a good coach but not the best. Far from it.
To say it was hard not to win is a bit much. France.probably had a better squad and they almost got the result in the final.
 

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France reaching the final was a fluke. Brazil and Argentina had best squads on paper but they choked, Italy was up there too but unlike them they were hungrier and more experienced.
 

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Its so cute when Rube fans think their league "wins" deserve any credit whatsoever.
Lol, cuter still when Inter's worthless post-Calciopoli Scudetti are referenced.

Once again, you have zero argumentation and can only deflect.

You are easily the most pathetic poster in the history of the forum.
 

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Too much emphasis is being put on the WC win by Lippi imo.
I agree, but eventually people remember the wins. Noone mentioned Sacchi, even though the difference between him and Lippi is that Lippi's team won the penalty shoot-out in 2006, while Sacchi's team lost on penalties in 1994.
On the other hand, the difference in CL between Ancelotti and Lippi is again a result of a penalty shoot-out in which Ancelotti's team scored 3 penalties, while Lippi's team scored 2. But in the end it stands that Ancelotti won 2, while Lippi only 1 CL.

All 4 of Sacchi, Lippi, Ancelotti and Capello have excellent results. One can underestimate Lippi's 5 scudetti, but nobody can deny that with those same players Lippi made the CL final 4 times and as much as 7 of the players who took part in the 2006 WC final were players he coached in Juve.
Ancelotti had a bad record domestically with Juve and Milan. In 10 seasons with the best Italian teams he only won 1 scudetto. But he did win elsewhere. In CL, on the other hand, he was really good with Milan and he made 3 CL finals, winning 2.
Capello's domestic record is immense. While Lippi was winning with the same team and more or less the same generation of players, Capello was winning with every team and with different players (Real Madrid, Roma, Milan, Juventus). He also has 3 CL finals, even though those were with the same team and in 3 straight years. Won 1 CL.
At the end, Sacchi. Similar to Lippi, he was winning with the same generation of players, but unlike the others, all his wins happened in three seasons. Only 1 scudetto, but 2 CL wins and 1 WC final.

One other man we forgot, and who recently finished his coaching career, is the coach who won 7 scudetti with Inter and Juventus, 1 Bundesliga title with Bayern and 2 other domestic leagues in Portugal and Austria. On top of it, he won the CL, the UEFA Cup (twice) and the Cup winners cup. Made another CL final with Juve, but lost it. Trapattoni, of course.
 

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He couldn't a win for 2 years wit Moggi helping him and Zidane in his squad, so no.
lol, that's a pretty good argument actually. Seriously, he is not the kind of coach who wins leagues (like Capello for example). Just 1 scudetto in 10 seasons with Juventus and Milan. Winning Ligue 1 with PSG is easy. I can rate the win of EPL with Chelsea as the opponents in the EPL were tough.
 

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Ancelotti's league record is laughable. 17 seasons at Juventus, Milan, Chelsea, PSG, Real Madrid. 3 titles, and one of those anyone could have won
 
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