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i know that there were several discussions like this already but unlike then something is happening regarding it now. so what do you think this will bring to croatian clubs and league as a whole?

personally i am unsure. there are shitloads of pros and cons. realistically at first it won't change a thing apart from reducing the debts. some clubs like hajduk will still be in debt following the conversion to sportska udruga, cause not all debts will be turned into stocks and its up to the person to whom a club in in debt to decide if he wants to turn it to stocks. but even if this conversion does cover all the debts nothing really will change if our clubs don't start earning money. of course there's always possibility of attracting a rich ass tycoon who doesn't give a **** about earning money and who'll just invest in improving but lets be honest how big are the chances that someone like that comes. not much and the reality is that hnl clubs will attract people who are going to be looking how to get make some cash. for that they'll need to either:

a) seriously lower the expenses or
b) rise the income.

perhaps smaller clubs won't feel this as much but hajduk and dinamo surely will. lets be honest if top 2 are going to be living off ticket sales, sponsors, tv rights and merchandise sales well they're not gonna be earning much and we can say goodbye to things like being able to say no to rich offers just so modric could stay on an improved contract, and certainly no more sammirs, cernats, guela's, verpakovskis's, tudor's, zivkovic's and other players with huge ass contracts in the range of hundreds of thousands of euro's per year. seriously with what 5000 people a game average (and that in the seasons when they're doing well) and virtually peanuts from tv rights and merchandise no way will they be able to afford such expenses. that would in turn lead to, despite what anyone would like to believe, a lower quality of the league. zivkovic has his problems and all but he's still better than tonci zilic ;)

furthermore if clubs are going to be living of their income that makes investments in improving the infrastructure questionable. clubs can take out a loan to improve their facilities, but they have to pay it back and that requires a stable club with a steady profit and no club in croatia meets those demands. recently even dinamo had to ask bandic to cough up some cash so they could pay the wages. clubs who take out loans and can't pay them back will go bankrupt and it won't be the fake bankruptcy dinamo went through, but a real one with a drop down to the last division and all, so clubs will be looking to be really careful with what they spend.

while all this should lead to less importing of players and more clubs turning to their youth, it should also lead to the situation where clubs can't afford to keep their best players for long and having to sell them to survive. this might also lead to a situation where there are 4 or 5 professional clubs in croatia and the rest are all amateur clubs or semi professional. that would lower the league's already low profile which could have an effect on the amount of money clubs can earn when selling the players abroad.

lot of it will depend on the club owner, how much money is he willing to invest, how good of a businessmen he is. if clubs are to fall into hands of incompetent people many of our clubs could cease to exist and we may see some new, as hs would call them, fake clubs playing in their place.

good thing is that with this law there should be some order, it should be known who's responsible for what. also the clubs will be looking to increase revenues so they'll look to market their products as much as possible which should result in hnl becoming easier to follow. perhaps our top 2 clubs will be able to turn to selling broadcasts of their games via internet to paying customers. some european clubs like liverpool are already doing this. other clubs would also profit from this as they would get their share of the revenues from that source of income as well. one more good thing is that clubs will be looking to keep stability and work on longer periods to secure a club's stability. and if one club enters financial problems change of management will be much easier to achieve than it is now as the previous owner will be looking to save what can be saved and sell the club to some other owner.

as much as i try to think hard about it in a positive way, the thing is that i see more potential dangers than benefits coming out of this.

lets just hope that hajduk does this well and that cro football doesn't lose one of its icons due to incompetence of people who will be leading hajduk in the near future.
 

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privatization of cro clubs sounds really gay to me. cro english combination works better :D
 

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It really comes down to who buys the club. Good businessmen will know how to run the club... They will have the right people on the business side of things and right people on the football side of things... The downside, the one I fear..., good businessmen will not go near the club if they don't think it will be profitable... That's what makes them good businessmen. Instead you'll get the wanna-be Mafioso who'll just milk the club for what it's worth driving it into bankruptcy...
 

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Not much will change I fear. Our market is just too small to compete with bigger Euro countrys and other than Hajduk and dinamo no other club has a big enough fan base to generate money. We can only hope that we will continually develope great talents and sell them for big money, and what's most important provide players for the NT.
 

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The transparency of ownership alone will improve the situation. Everything is currently operated like it's behind closed doors. Thats never good for any business let alone sports.
 

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Hey if they go private andf shares are available on the stock market Ill be one of the first ones to invest. But it has to be legite shares not the type of BS that Hajduk is trying to peddle.

I cant see how this is a bad thing for HNL, one just needs to be a good business oriented person and you will survive. You just watch it cant be any worse then the back room dealings that are going on now.

Just look at Dinamo last year, they sell a few players make over 30-40 Mil Euro and still ask the city for a donation, give me a break!

Bring in Niksic and other diaspora investors and just sit back and watch.
 

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Hajduk i službeno označio početak prodaje dionica!

Četvorica vatrenih Asanović, Štimac, Bilić i Bokšić za svoj ulog dobit će dionice

Hajduk je, kako je to slikovito kazao njegov predsjednik Mate Peroš, danas u svom najsvečanijem salonu opalio startni pucanj s kojim ulazi u svoju novu eru! Eru bez financijskih problema, ulazi kao sportsko dioničko društvo.

I kao zaključak što mo ga čuli od svih za tim stolom za kojim se našla ekipa koja je vodila pripremu preoblikovanja i predstavnici Splitske banke u čijim će se poslovnicama moći kupovati dionice, Hajduk je uspio! Dopredsjednik Skupštine Mirko Klarić, koji je svih ovih mjeseci najčešće bio tumač Hajdukovog puta iz kluba s blokiranim računom u klub koji je prvi prošao trnovit put preoblikovanja po Zakonu o sportu, objavio je da Hajduk ovog trenutka svojim vjerovnicima duguje otprilike 31 milijun kuna koje čak može isplatiti iz vlastitih sredstava. To znači, rekao je Klarić, da budući dioničari i ulagači odmah znaju da svoj novac ne bacaju u bunar već ulažu u zdravi, najtrofejniji i najpoznatiji hrvatski nogometni klub.

O krugovima u kojima će budući dioničari dobivati priliku za kupnju - od prvog u kojem starta samo Grad koji preuzima dionice od duga prema državi pa do četvrtog u kojem će pravo kupovanja imati sve pravne i fizičke osobe (cijena dionice je 500 kuna), već smo pisali. U tom zapravo za našu sportsku javnost novom poslu, zanimljivo je pitanje kakav je status “vatrene četvorke” Hajduka Štimca, Asanovića, Bilića i Bokšića koji su 2001. uložili ukupno 1,5 milijuna eura?

- Oni su od sada dioničari. Za svoj ulog, za koji nikad nisu tražili kamate, dobit će određenu količinu dionica, a što će s njima raditi njihova je stvar - rečeno nam je.

Sadašnje vodstvo Hajduka ostaje na vlasti dok se u listopadu ne održi skupština dioničara i dioničko društvo upiše u sudski registar.

- Naš je zadatak bio dovesti Hajduk do preoblikovanja u sportsko dioničko društvo, a poslije će naravno odlučivati budući dioničari - rekao je kao zaključak predsjednik Mate Peroš.

Any of you guys planing to buy shares in Hajduk? (500kn per piece)
 

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all the good Croatian businessmen are in the diaspora ;)
What would you guys think if the clubs did privatise and some millionaire Croat from like the U.S. or Australia swooped in and bought lets say Dinamo or Hajduk?
 

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If he did it because he loved the club and wanted to invest in it and make it a winner but still keep in mind the tradition and culture of the club I would be all in favour but if it's just some guy trying to make a buck and trying to "Americanize" the team, obviously I would be against it.
 

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If he did it because he loved the club and wanted to invest in it and make it a winner but still keep in mind the tradition and culture of the club I would be all in favour but if it's just some guy trying to make a buck and trying to "Americanize" the team, obviously I would be against it.
I duno about that, i would love to see the Dinamo 76ers and Hajduk 'Bili' Sox
 
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