He looked shattered at the end, I'm not suprised, to be honest, but did he give up? Did he f**k. He kept going, kept trying, kept tackling. That boy did not deserve to be on the losing side. I swear Senderos was like a one man defence for us at times, unbelievable stuff.Jern Lizardhous said:he was fukin IMMENSE. :happy:
the best 20 year old defender on the PLANET, makes Kompany look like a little girl with pigtails and schoolbooks :shades:
the hype for Fabregas comes from his perfect technique, supreme vision and appreciation of space and his unreal composure for one so young.Vagabondo said:Fabregas is still very young but apparently he's doing well. if he adds a scoring touch to his game maybe he'll be as good as Baraja one day. he could get even better, of course, but where's the evidence that would justify the hype he is getting from people who say he'll be the best in the world, etc. i know he was in the Spain team that was runner up at the u17 world cup, but Le Tallec and Sinama won it a few years earlier and they haven't turned into world beaters or anything.
khimik said:Don't want to rush him though and we can't get carried away with this one game (even though we'll hype him to the max anyway p), we need to make sure he is over all his injury problems and definitely use him as our first choice backup next season.
jealous, of course i am. if Liverpool fans can be satisfied with two players who were hyped to the heavens but have delivered 2/3 of bugger all so far, who wouldn't be jealous.SM ONLINE said::nono: think someones jealous
well sometimes it's a question of the rate of a players development which obviously varies from individual to individual. then again, Baraja may not even have had the opportunities that Fabregas does with Arsenal.Jern Lizardhous said:the hype for Fabregas comes from his perfect technique, supreme vision and appreciation of space and his unreal composure for one so young.
where was Baraja playing at 17 ? was he the team's schemer against Bayern Munich in the CL ?
no-one was stopping other coaches from buying Henry and Vieira if they were so well known and it was so obvious to everyone that they would one day be world class. p
We paid a hefty sum for Henry (10.5m is a lot for a second string player!) but Wenger always knew how good he was (they were together at Monaco after all); it was always his plan to partner Thierry with Le'Sulk, Nic Anelka. Unfortunately we never got to see that!Vagabondo said:Henry was a world cup winner long before he ever went to Arsenal, and the fact that he had flopped in Italy wouldn't have changed many opinions at Arsenal since Bergkamp effectively had too, and was older at the time.
Jern, Vieira wasn't well known to be brilliant, he was considered to be an good prospect. Arsenal fans (and some others) will say he's the best midfielder in the world or whatever, and maybe if you could pretend that proving that outside of England didn't matter they'd have a case.Jern Lizardhous said:yes that's right, and if Vieira was so well known to be brilliant i didn't see much of a stampede for his services from clubs all over Europe, as far as i know it was only Ajax and us, these other clubs must have all had world class midfields at this time i suppose.
and anyone denies Fabregas is amazing has their eyes wide shut.
Jern, of course i rate (some of) your players. Henry is one of the best. Ljungberg is welcome at Roma anytime and Cambell (when fit) is as well, as long as Wenger will let them go for free cos we can't afford quality like that. a lot of the others are decent as well.Jern Lizardhous said:I never said Vieira was a complete nobody, Wenger knew him from Cannes as he knew Henry from Monaco, the fact he got these players cheap with Emmanuel Petit, Pires and Anelka shows that he can see they will make it in the EPL football, no-one is saying it is genius but his record speaks for itself, he was the only one that would take a chance on Overmars as well.
you don't rate our players, that's fine, but i do
Quincy; wasn't he rated highly as a talent in the Netherlands, only to be let down by disciplinary problems?khimik said:The discovery of Quincy Owusu-Abeyie IS something to be proud of, considering his situation a few years ago.
Had you heard of Gael Clichy two years ago? Nobody had, he was playing in the youth team of a French third division club!
He was released by Ajax at age 15 because of his poor discipline and behaviour. No club in the Netherlands would even give him a trial, we took him on board and helped him become a responsible person on and off the pitch as well as helping in on honing his talent; it's something to be proud of.Vagabondo said:Quincy; wasn't he rated highly as a talent in the Netherlands, only to be let down by disciplinary problems?
Clichy played over twenty games last season. He can more than hold his own against top class opposition - you think he was over-awed against Celta Vigo? Pfft. Or against Chelsea? Nope.Clichy; decent. where is he now though? last years Senderos? they might both end up being world class. but then who knows what the future holds. we can't predict anything based on a couple of games here and there and a cap or two for an U21 national team.
I rate Ali highly but he's injury prone.who's next khimik, Aliadiere?