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i am tired of him, every match he is the worst player i ever see in my life....seriously how he plays in primera?? i never see a player so slow and so crappy at everything play so many crappy matchs and still nobody say anything about it!! at least now in vicente calderon people are making sounds for him every time he touchs the ball to show him that he is an asshole but this is not enough. we need to do something more about this, antonio lopez sucks but he is 2000000 times better then him..

pernia maricon fuera del calderon!!!
 

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You are not fair ... he played a decent season so far.

He is not our main problem.

Sometimes you look stupid if you are to late ... But with Simao upfront all the defense belongs to him and we also want him to attack.
 

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Pernia is not Atletico Madrid material. Period.

that said, he is often left exposed, if Atleti were a more balanced team, it would be less noticeable.
 

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Antonio Lopez sucks even more donkey balls because he actually for moments think he is good, his attemps of dribbling are funny to say the least...saying that Pernia sucks and is not football material, both far from bad fellas anyway or lazy dudes, so both can even be worse or better said, I know worse examples.
 

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Antonio López can be rather decent at times, but Pernía is just beyond awful.

AL should be a right back, he's better on that position than his natural one..
 

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Yeah, he is pretty bad.

To think that he was chosen ahead of Capdevila and even started ahead of him at the last world cup is just sad.
 

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Well if you remember, Pernía had one hell of a season then and scored even shitloads of goals for being a LB. I remember that him and Gavilan tored many teams apart on their right. That's why...

Antonio Lopez was good for the only good coach that Atletico has had in later times, Cesar Ferrando but they didn't support him because his away records was really bad. Just look at the team he had though and he made Atletico's defence into a frigging rock. Perea and Pablo were really good then.
 

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César Ferrando good? Are you out of your mind?

The guy didn't have anything against going out and take a drink with some of the players.

Pernía had ten goals in that season, most of them were extremely spectacular. That's also why they choose him to play in the spanish NT.
 

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César Ferrando good? Are you out of your mind?

The guy didn't have anything against going out and take a drink with some of the players.

Pernía had ten goals in that season, most of them were extremely spectacular. That's also why they choose him to play in the spanish NT.
Well considering that Cesar Ferrando had shit like Nano, Jorge, Aguilera, some more etc. No frigging talent at all and despite that took you atleast around the UEFA-cup places.
Considering that he made you guys beat Barcelona at Camp Nou and also thinking of that he made you guys have a rock solid defence of shit.

Yeah, he was good, alot better than Hector Cuper for example and put in mind on the players Cuper got and Ferrando got, there's a major difference.

Ferrando is a good coach and just because he had the more friendly, have a drink-style does it mean that he would tolerate them to come drunk to trainings etc?
Style of management... Do you prefer Aguirre and his more army-style of management?
 

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Ferrando wasn't spectacular and neither was his style of managing the team. Carlos Aguilera wasn't shit, he's a legend at the club and just because he declined in his last couple of seasons, doesn't mean he's absolute rubbish, it just goes on to show that the leaders of this club has a lot to do with how a manager is leading the club.

Jorge on the other hand was overlooked by the board, just like many other players. If you don't make a huge impact right of way, then you'll surely be kicked out of the team.

Aguirre reached his goals every season, he made this team finally play in the Champions League and he deserves respect for that. The whole army-style of management is just a myth, people inside the club say that he was too soft on the players, unlike his days at Osasuna and it probably has to do with the management as well. His problem was that he never had a idea of how the team was supposed to play, there's still side-effects from that to come in the future.

Now, the real problem here aren't the managers in a whole; the real problem is called Jesús García Pitarch, Miguel Ángel Gil Marín and Enrique Cerezo. I'd give the main blame to a guy like García Pitarch because 70% of his transfers have been absolute rubbish so far.

1) Get a new sports director.
2) A new and capable manager with the board giving him a longer plan for the future. A manager who can instill a winning mentality and help these players to find their confidence again, plus the most important thing of all; Have a concrete idea of how the team is supposed to play.
3) Give the kids in Atléticos cantera a fair chance to play them in and develop their abilities as players.
4) Keep the new transfer-policy, buy rather young.
5) Find the clubs identity, more spanish players, less foreign.

These are five things that Atlético has to consider if they ever want to have something with the top to do in the future.
 

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I know that Aguilera was a legend but in the end, you can't really say that he was up to standard, he was crap actually. Jorge and Nano were damn crap aswell, Jorge wasn't even a starter for Celta. Even Nuñez was ahead of him.

I'm not telling you that Ferrando was the best ever but he never got a chance with good players like Cuper and Aguirre got. You can't compare transfers like Salva Ballesta and some other guys to the likes of Forlan, Kun, Simao, Petrov, Maniche etc. Ferrando was also highly rated by the players in Valencia. He was in our youth teams for a while and players like Mendieta liked him alot because he was a down-to-earth guy with good ideas on football.

Pitarch, well, you guys should have checked his history. He said no to Malouda + Drogba combinded for 6m euros to Valencia by the legend Claramunt. He didn't want to check Kaka and Cristiano Ronaldo that were recommended by the same Claramunt. Instead he was keen on bringing players like Jorge Lopez, Canobbio and Oliveira. Not that they're shit but Benitez never wanted them and don't try to compare Oliveira with Drogba for example.

About your canteranos. Well, your best talents are around 17 years old, that's in the 90% of the cases way too young really. Physically they're probably not ready yet and that's alot in football.
 

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Aguilera wasn't good enough at the end, but that once again shows that our current president, Enrique Cerezo is too soft when it comes to certain things, like saying goodbye to the legends of the club, but he has never been afraid of continuing Gil y Gils tradition of kicking managers, until they hired Aguirre and kept him for almost 2,5 seasons.

Atlético B has players that could do a decent job, especially if they're given the right confidence and feel they've got the backing. For instance, a guy like Cedric is only 16 years old, but he's doing well in the B-team under Abraham García, just like Koke, Keko, Aitor Nuñez, Álvaro Domínguez, César, Rubén Ramos and especially David de Gea. They may not be able to match the physical aspect of the game, but then again, it's not what the team needs at the moment; There's plenty of muscle in central midfield to match it up, but these kids are probably going to be integrated slowly, most likely during the pre-season.

However, it's never wrong to give a player a chance instead of playing others out of position, just like Antonio López yesterday night. That position could've been covered by either Keko or Cedric, they would surely not do worse than Antonio did as they're used to play on that position. As for the physical aspect; when you see a winger of Jesús Navas physicality, then it's quite obvious that these two would surely do a decent job as well, they're obviously not schooled enough tactically and not on Navas level yet, but it's still better than playing a player out of position because you're scared of giving the youngsters a chance to prove themselves.

I can understand if Koke isn't called up, he just recently turned 17 and plays on a position where you have to be physical though.

This club needs to find it's identity again, but then again, they aren't called Indios for nothing..
 

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I met Ferrando two times in in a more private environment and he was pure class. The team behaved different on the pitch with him. They had more fun ...

The mus horrible coach was Manzano what an arrogant man.


About the B-Team.

NO B-Team player is better than one of our current players ... not even better than Pernía or Seitaridis. This is not Football Manager where you can field 4 people under 18 which will get skill ups a few weeks later.

Btw. all player named are fighting against relegation in the third Spanish League ... how should they fight for the Champions League in the first League?!
 

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i am sure we have one player who is 1000 times better then pernia in b team, my chihuahua taquito is better then him
 

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..mas vale que no tengas de verdad un chihuaha! ya mismo lo vendes y te compras un Dogo
 

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si, te lo juro tengo un chihuaha y se llama taquito
 

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Te lo hizo comprar tu novia o mujer de aca a Chinatown!...

...un dia deja al supuesto mini can en el enternamiento del Aleti para que Pernía haga algo util al menos una vez en su puta vida; y lo patee al chihuaha de Madrid al DF sin escalas...caso contraio si le toma cariño (despues de todo pertenecen a la misma especie) por ahi te lo roba y te sacas de encima al chihuaha y te compras un perro de verdad y digno de hincha del aleti.
 
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