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SO before we talk about who we really need to sign am interested in knowing how many players do u guys think are starting material in our current squad.

here's my list
1-zlatan
2-j.cesar
3-samuel
4-chivu
5-cambiasso
6-maicon
7-j.z

that means we need to sign at least four world-class players in order to compete in the CL next season,assuming we'll be playing jose's favorite 433

----------------------cesar-------------
-----------------samuel---chivu----
-----maicon--------------------------j.z----
--------------------cambiasso-----------
-----------X----------------------X--------
------X------------------------------------X---
---------------------zlatan-------------------

or
4312
----------------cabiasso-----------
-------------X-------------X-------
-------------------X------------
---------------zlatan---X----------


we should get hleb, lampard, diego and drogba and go with 4312, or get adriano back instead of getting drogba.
 

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Long time no see ya basha. :shades:

Anyway, we'll have to wait. A Long yet exciting summer beckons.
 

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4-3-1-2

Cesar / Toldo
Maicon / JZ
Samuel / Materazzi / Burdisso
Cordoba / Rivas / Chivu
Maxwell / Chivu
JZ / Stankovic
Cambiasso / Vieira / Chivu
New Midfielder needed
New Mid needed/ Jiminez / Figo (if he stays, its his choice b/c of Moratti)
Ibra / Cruz / Suazo
Baloteli / Crespo

Our squad is set except for one CM and one AM plus all the backups and stuff for midfield.
 

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Cuchu should be the only constant in the midfield, honestly.

As far as forwards go, recall Adriano and get rid of one out of Crespo and Suazo.
 

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There is not room for both zanetti and cambiasso at the same time in a midfield that wants to be competetive at the highest level really.

A pure destroyer + Zanetti + 2 more attacking/technical/pace orientated midfielders is way to go.

I know people here love cambiasso, but he is really not that good. He is perfect for most games in Serie A though, the ultra slow tempo and low pressure before reaching the middle of the field suits him perfect, he can even contribute in attack against such shitty teams. But especially in big ganes in europe and for Argentina has he shown to be completely ineffective, the high tempo and the high pressure all over the pitch has been too much for him, he is simply to slow and poor with the ball to be able to work under pressure.

He can work as a two way midfielder in Serie A because of the low tempo and low pressure on the ballholder, where he has time to pass and get the ball under control. But in the big games he can really only contribute in the defensive aspect of the game, and it would really be a much better choice using a pure destroyer like Diarra instead then. Cambiasso is simply to slow and poor technicaly to ever be a force to be taken seriously going forward at the highest level. The fact that he isnt exactly a great passer, doesnt help him either.
 

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There is not room for both zanetti and cambiasso at the same time in a midfield that wants to be competetive at the highest level really.

A pure destroyer + Zanetti + 2 more attacking/technical/pace orientated midfielders is way to go.

I know people here love cambiasso, but he is really not that good. He is perfect for most games in Serie A though, the ultra slow tempo and low pressure before reaching the middle of the field suits him perfect, he can even contribute in attack against such shitty teams. But especially in big ganes in europe and for Argentina has he shown to be completely ineffective, the high tempo and the high pressure all over the pitch has been too much for him, he is simply to slow and poor with the ball to be able to work under pressure.

He can work as a two way midfielder in Serie A because of the low tempo and low pressure on the ballholder, where he has time to pass and get the ball under control. But in the big games he can really only contribute in the defensive aspect of the game, and it would really be a much better choice using a pure destroyer like Diarra instead then. Cambiasso is simply to slow and poor technicaly to ever be a force to be taken seriously going forward at the highest level. The fact that he isnt exactly a great passer, doesnt help him either.
I've been worrying about this too lately... Mascherano totally outplayed him in the CL

but I'm willing to see him given another shot in Europe ... in Serie A he's almost always good, at least when fit

Cuchu should stay in the team but he can't be the lynchpin central midfielder. I think the team needs another "destroyer" and an attacking midfielder

Diego is getting less and less realistic so maybe

Hleb

Cuchu Diarra Zanetti

I think there's enough technique there between Zanetti, Hleb and Zlatan to hold on to the ball, and then there's Diarra to hack the sh*t out of people. Cuchu could do a 2-way thing


and also, let's face it, the left back position is gonna change if Mourinho comes

and Seriously I'm gonna predict this now : if Mourinho comes I expect 5 first team postions to change

1 new centre forward, 1 new centre back, a new left back, and 2 new midfield players

I'm not saying that that's necessary, but he's a guy who likes a certain type of player around him
 

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Well lets all hope he doesnt decide to axe Samuel, since that might be a likely scenario. Although on second thoughts didnt Mourinho want Samuel at Chelsea towards the end of his spell? or was that just paper talk at that stage?
 

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That would be a horible midfield. The same story of 3 defensive orientated midfielders as this season, and Diarra, like cambiasso, cant make a proper pass if hes life depended on it.

You cant play both cambiasso, zanetti and a pure DM, its not realistic to get any decent offensive play going at the highest level playing like that.

Idealy combiasso should only be played in Serie A games, but thats not possible to base a team like that. He is simply not good enough to be effective offensively at the highest level, he is too slow and poor on the ball, needs way to much time to think and pass properly and he doesnt have that time at these big matches. Its impossible to get any sort of fluent combination play going with cambiasso in the midfield because every time he gets the ball the quick play will come to an end, the fluent play simply stops when he gets the ball.

Its for the same reasons that he is hated by most argie fans, and wanted thrown off the NT, he just isnt good or quick enough with the ball to contribute offensively, and purely defensively speaking he is not as good as pure DM's.

Cambiasso has to play DM im my book, its the only role he can cover at a high enough level, as a two-way midfielder he is simply ineffective when the tempo and pressure gets higher. But again, a pure DM's is probably still better...
 

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Starting material:

Cesar

Maicon
Samuel
Cordoba
Rivas
Chivu (no problem selling if we received a decent bid from Barca, though)
Maxwell

JZ
Cambiasso
Pele

Jimenez
Ibra
Cruz
Suazo
Balotelli

That's not say they should be starting always, obviously.

Decent backups: Toldo, Dacourt.

Undecided: Adriano.

Definite trash: Matrix (should be kept in a mascott role;)), Deki (could be just an expensive backup), Vieira, Maniche, Solari, Figo, Cesar, Burdisso, Crespo.
 

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Cambiasso is no DM people???????????

You can't really compare him to Marsch, Cambiasso needs to be released to get involved with attack. He is great coming in late and getting the odd goal. He's a hussler with better ball and passing techinque then Marsch.

Cambiasso can be just as effective in Europe, he just needs a competent manager to recognise his play.
 

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Cambiasso is no DM people???????????

You can't really compare him to Marsch, Cambiasso needs to be released to get involved with attack. He is great coming in late and getting the odd goal. He's a hussler with better ball and passing techinque then Marsch.
:thumbsup:

He was playing next to Vieira and Stankovic and in a team with one man down.:yuck::rollani:
 

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Cambiasso is no DM people???????????

You can't really compare him to Marsch, Cambiasso needs to be released to get involved with attack. He is great coming in late and getting the odd goal. He's a hussler with better ball and passing techinque then Marsch.

Cambiasso can be just as effective in Europe, he just needs a competent manager to recognise his play.
What a BS post. If anyone has recognised Cambiasso's play its Mancini. Infact Cambiasso should entirely thank Mancini for all his success.

And he has hardly better technique and passing than mascharano or any other pure DM for that matter. Cambiasso has fairly poor technique and passing.

As said, he is completely useless on the offense when the tempo is high and there is constant pressure on the ballholder, he simply isnt comfortable enough with the ball when under pressure because he is too slow and too poor technicaly and needs way to much to pass.

Cambiasso is close to useless outside Serie A, a pure destroyer is a much better option than him. There is a reason why he performs in the ultra slow serie a with next to no pressure on the ballholder before the midfield line and then chokes vs high tempo and pressure with Inter in europe and for the argie NT.
 

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What a tool, this Ottowa. Cambiasso is a very good all-round player, and you say he can't pass? You ever watch our f-in team when he's not in it? He might not be able to do the pinpoint long balls you want him to do, but when he's in our team, our play is very very fluid.
 

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:howler: good one, Inter playing fluently?

We havent played fluently for 10 years buddie. Cambiasso needing 10 minutes to get the ball under control and passing it surely hasnt changed that.

Cambiasso is a decent player, but massively overrated by Inter fans, hardly no one rates him highly other than Inter fans and none at all outside Italy. It says alot about a player when even his national team supporters believe he is crap for the reasons mentioned.

Like i said so many times, Cambiasso is decent at most things but excells at nothing, and thats really not good enough to succeed at the highest level.

We have probably the worst midfield of all the big teams in europe ATM, and changing just one player certainly wont change anything. Cambiasso aka mr.mediocre is really a big part of this problem as well, you cant expect to win at the highest level by relying on someone in midfield who can only function properly when the game is in slowmotion.
 

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What a BS post. If anyone has recognised Cambiasso's play its Mancini. Infact Cambiasso should entirely thank Mancini for all his success.

And he has hardly better technique and passing than mascharano or any other pure DM for that matter. Cambiasso has fairly poor technique and passing.

As said, he is completely useless on the offense when the tempo is high and there is constant pressure on the ballholder, he simply isnt comfortable enough with the ball when under pressure because he is too slow and too poor technicaly and needs way to much to pass.

Cambiasso is close to useless outside Serie A, a pure destroyer is a much better option than him. There is a reason why he performs in the ultra slow serie a with next to no pressure on the ballholder before the midfield line and then chokes vs high tempo and pressure with Inter in europe and for the argie NT.
Actually you have a point with Mancini, under him Cambiasso performed but that was Mancini's first year only. Since then Cambiasso rarely participated in attack, this season against Fio and Milan he was more of a box-to-box type of player and you could see we were a different team.

What you fail to recognise is: Cambiasso is no DM so when you talk about pure DM in your post, it loses any credibility.
 

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We have probably the worst midfield of all the big teams in europe ATM, and changing just one player certainly wont change anything.
That's why anyone but you agree that TWO midfielders should be changed.

No wonder our entire midfield seems slow when 2 of the slowest players in the world mostly figure in it - Deki and Vieira.:rollani:
 

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Actually you have a point with Mancini, under him Cambiasso performed but that was Mancini's first year only. Since then Cambiasso rarely participated in attack, this season against Fio and Milan he was more of a box-to-box type of player and you could see we were a different team.

What you fail to recognise is: Cambiasso is no DM so when you talk about pure DM in your post, it loses any credibility.
Learn to read brainiac.

I never said Cambiasso was a pure DM, i said the only way he can function at a high enough level is as a DM, because he simply isnt good enough in the other aspects of the game to be a force in high level games. I said a pure DM would be better than cambiasso, not that cambiasso is a pure DM.
 
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