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He is the fucking greatest. I thought he was cooked. What a legend!!!!

Shooshing that fucking crowd where he has now won in 3 decades and dominated was better than anything.

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He really knows how to win in all types of situations. It's probably his most impressive attribute. This is what great athletes do in high pressure situations. I also think a lot of athletes can learn from the way he handled the situation when Federer played so well up until 4-1 in the first set against Novak. Doing more rather than overthinking is often the answer to these problems. Described it well.

Big props to Thiem btw. He's such a hard player to pass and Novak struggled big time today. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up reaching the final at Roland Garros. Has to continue playing well obviously.

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I think playing in that atp cup almost screwed up Djokovic. Nadal and medvedev also went deep into that tournament and I felt like paid the price at the Australian open for it. If thiem had the extra day off instead of Djokovic, nole would still be at 16 but he deserves it he's been screwed so much over the years with scheduling . I feel like thiem is better than Andy Murray was unlucky for him 2 finals vs Nadal at the fench and 1 vs Djokovic at the Australian doesn't get any tougher

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Opinion: Novak Djokovic breathing down Roger Federer’s neck in GOAT battle
The tennis world was bracing for a generational change to rattle men’s tennis. Instead, Novak Djokovic has shaken the sport to its core.

Tyson Otto

news.com.auFebruary 3, 202010:52am

Novak Djokovic silencers the haters by winning everything in his path.Source:AAP
We were all so blind.
Novak Djokovic is the greatest male player tennis has ever seen and it’s never been more obvious.
The new World No. 1 climbed to within three of Roger Federer’s record 20 grand slam singles titles on Sunday night, when he wrapped up his 17th career major with an eighth crown at Melbourne Park, where he looks invincible with an 8-0 record in finals.
Djokovic is two grand slam titles behind Rafael Nadal (19).
He is six years younger than Federer (38) and has 15 months on Nadal (33) and the Serbian’s trajectory now indisputably puts him on track to finish above both of his greatest rivals.
His ascension to outright Greatest Of All Time (GOAT) status appears inevitable.
For whatever reason, nothing outrages tennis fans like the previous sentence.
Seventeen grand slams later, Djokovic remains unable to shed his unfair tag as the disrupter in the GOAT duel between Federer and Nadal.
It’s never been clearer that the tennis world cast him wrong. And it’s never been clearer that the tennis world refuses to accept this.
It will never be the popular opinion, but Djokovic’s status as tennis’ GOAT is undeniable. We just haven’t realised it yet.
But the time is coming not too far down the line, when tennis fans are going to have to confront the uncomfortable thought nagging them at the back of their noggins — the thought that Djokovic has been rudely treated by all of us.

The future GOAT.

The future GOAT.Source:Getty Images
The GOAT simply shouldn’t be heckled on his own court — the Rod Laver Arena court he has made his own with eight Australian Open titles.
He was actively jeered by the crowd right up until the moment he served out the 6-4 4-6 2-6 6-3 6-4 epic after three hours and 59 minutes on court against Thiem.
That simply shouldn’t happen to the GOAT. It wouldn’t happen to Federer or Nadal.
It was only two years ago that American great John McEnroe declared Djokovic was being “treated like s***” by Australian Open officials, who scheduled Djokovic (who then was a six-time champion at Melbourne Park and No. 1 seed) to play gruelling daytime matches, because Federer had reportedly requested the night timeslots.
That should never have happened.
Djokovic might just be the most disrespected GOAT across any modern professional sport.
You might disagree, but by the time Djokovic hangs up his racquet, too many tennis fans will realise they got it wrong with him.
He is so much more than the third-wheel in the GOAT debate. With up to five years left on the professional circuit, Djokovic can break the wheel and shake the game to its core by erasing the concept of the GOAT triumvirate.
When the dust settles in five years’ time and Djokovic has skipped clear of Federer’s 20 slams, only the Serbian will remain in the debate that has consumed tennis for the past 24 months.
Then, perhaps only then, will we realise how wrong we were.
It was Nadal himself who perfectly framed how wrong we’ve all been.
“It’d be unfair to say that Federer isn’t the best I’ve ever played against because the titles and his track record prove that to be the case,” he said a few years ago.
“But at a technical level, when Djokovic has been at the top of his game, I have to say that I’ve been up against an invincible player.”
Even if the grand slam count ends up as a stalemate, Djokovic’s head-to-head record against his rivals is undeniable.
It stands at 27-23 against Federer and 29-26 against Nadal.
How can Nadal and Federer be the greatest of all time, when they are not even the greatest of their era?
Serbia's Novak Djokovic was furious at the crowd’s reaction.

Serbia's Novak Djokovic was furious at the crowd’s reaction.Source:AFP
It won’t happen before Federer’s retirement, but there is a real chance the next generation of tennis fans will talk about the age of Djokovic and how Federer and Nadal were only temporary interruptions to what will then be perceived as the dominant storyline of this tennis age — how untouchable Djokovic is.
The Djoker was the king all along.
While he shows no signs of slowing down, Federer will be closing on his 39th birthday by the time Roland Garros and Wimbledon roll around — nearly two years older than Ken Rosewall was when the Aussie became the oldest grand slam champion at 37 at the 1972 Australian Open.
Federer’s last grand slam title came at the Australian Open two years ago. So while the Swiss maestro may still wield the sweetest backhand in the game, in the fullness of time it could be his elegant style rather than his record that sets him apart from his peers.
And that is where his argument will end.
He hoodwinked us all.
We were drunk on the sumptuousness of his groundstrokes, the poetry of his movement and the grace of his sporting attitude on and off the court.
Serbia's Novak Djokovic, left, holds the Norman Brooks Challenge Cup next to Dominic Thiem.

Serbia's Novak Djokovic, left, holds the Norman Brooks Challenge Cup next to Dominic Thiem.Source:AP
All those things make Federer the most loved player of his generation, but they don’t make him the best.
Djokovic simply doesn’t have the same aura.
What he does have is the fiercest mind the sport has ever seen.
Playing in an age where tennis is won and lost between the ears, Djokovic has been more invincible than anyone else on tour.
He doesn’t have Federer’s grace, but his brain is quickly emerging as the most dangerous weapon the men’s game has ever known.
In an era where physical freak specimens like Gael Monfils, Nick Kyrgios and John Isner haven’t even got close to a grand slam, Djokovic, a man supposedly without any booming weapons on court, beats them all, like they’re nothing.
That is what a GOAT does — and it’s exactly what Novak does.


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From the outset they were against him and jeering him in his own fucking house.


Srpski Inat!!

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Well done Nole! Continues to amaze us and the world. His finals are emotional rollercoasters though, partly because he's battling himself out there, so I won't miss that aspect when it's all said and done. But for now, let's go!

Hoping he takes Wimbledon and the US Open this year. Thiem can win RG. 😇

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Well done Nole! Continues to amaze us and the world. His finals are emotional rollercoasters though, partly because he's battling himself out there, so I won't miss that aspect when it's all said and done. But for now, let's go!

Hoping he takes Wimbledon and the US Open this year. Thiem can win RG.

I hope he wins all 4 and the grand slam.

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Well done Nole! Continues to amaze us and the world. His finals are emotional rollercoasters though, partly because he's battling himself out there, so I won't miss that aspect when it's all said and done. But for now, let's go!

Hoping he takes Wimbledon and the US Open this year. Thiem can win RG. 😇
I must be a masochist because I love this part the most about him. It's awesome to see how he does it.

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One potential problem this year is the Olympics he may sacrifice a grand slam or 2 in order to be in his best shape to win gold . Not sure when the Olympics fall on this year

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One potential problem this year is the Olympics he may sacrifice a grand slam or 2 in order to be in his best shape to win gold . Not sure when the Olympics fall on this year

It's between Wimbledon and US Open.

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as always, there is a lot of talk about the reception Djokovic gets from the crowds with Ben Rothenberg going so far as tweeting that:

"The three most reliably crowd-supported players in men’s tennis:

1) Federer
2) Nadal
3) Whoever is playing Djokovic"

and the best response I read was someone that quoted Kobe Bryant - "Learn to love the hate. Embrace it. Enjoy it. You earned it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and everyone should have one about you. Haters are a good problem to have. Nobody hates the good ones. They hate the great ones."

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World view: ‘The player tennis needed but never wanted’ — Battle Djokovic deserves to win but can’t

Novak Djokovic poses with the Norman Brookes Challenge Cup after winning his eighth Australian Open.
Novak Djokovic poses with the Norman Brookes Challenge Cup after winning his eighth Australian Open.Source: Getty Images
Novak Djokovic is gunning for Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal on the all-time tennis majors list but he’s seemingly getting no closer to them in the public affection stakes.
The Serbian world No.1 triumph claimed his 17th major title at the Australian Open, putting him within touching distance of Federer (20) and Nadal (19) in men’s tennis’ great race.
It was clear, however, the Melbourne Crowd was in underdog Dominic Thiem’s corner in Sunday’s final, continuing a fascinating relationship that’s now being debated by the world’s media.
Alex Pattle, writing for The Independent, suggested — in a piece titled “the player men’s tennis desperately needed but never particularly wanted” — the indifference towards Djokovic was less to do with his personality or behaviour and more to do with the threat he poses to Federer and Nadal’s legacy.
“It is universally known that Federer is the most beloved tennis player of all time, and while suggesting Djokovic deserves to be more popular or more adored than him would be futile, it is also not the point,” Pattle wrote.

“The 38-year-old Swiss has largely been as graceful an ambassador for the sport as he is a player when stroking one of those picturesque shots that seem to have come out of some seminal textbook on how one ought to play tennis.
“But the giddiness that flows through spectators when they witness a literal stroke of Federer’s genius has somewhat flooded out consideration for Djokovic’s contributions to the game in the last decade.”
“... It was fine for a while, but as soon as it threatened Federer’s pre-paved path to an isolated podium of greatness, it started to irk the fairweather followers as much as the Federer followers, though the two groups can understandably be indistinguishable at the best of times.”
Novak Djokovic after winning his eighth Australian Open title.
Novak Djokovic after winning his eighth Australian Open title.Source: AFP
Pattle argued while Djokovic did not possess “Roger’s grace or Rafa’s flair”, he was in some ways the most relatable member of the Big Three.
“Although tennis’ ‘Iron Man’ seems to be the least relatable of the Big Three in terms of his physical capabilities, mentally he is surely the closest to you or I as any of them,” he said.
“Perhaps Djokovic should have rolled over on Sunday and let Dominic Thiem — already 26 — become the first of the ‘NextGen’ to win a major.
“Maybe that would have gone some way to improving his standing in the estimation of a large portion of tennis fans around the world, even the majority in attendance at Melbourne Park — who Djokovic loves more than any other group of supporters, but who were audibly very much pro-Thiem.
“One can’t help but assume who fans would have been rooting for if it had been Federer standing across the net from the Austrian, though.”

Dipankar Lahiri, writing for the Indian Express, agreed Djokovic’s sentiment suffered “because of how characters are built in sporting narratives”.
“Federer (is) the ‘artist’ with the ‘precision’ of a ‘Swiss watch’. Nadal the ‘warrior’ with the ‘strength’ of a ‘bull’. Pit these two extremes against each other and you get a sporting contest to be talked of for ages,” Lahiri said.
“Djokovic’s emergence and his subsequent rate of winning titles has gone against this script. The Serb, who grew up playing tennis in swimming pools ravaged by war, is an outsider to this ‘artist vs warrior’ narrative.”
Novak Djokovic.
Novak Djokovic.Source: Getty Images
Jon Turner, writing for The National, suggested Djokovic’s clinicalness might also be hurting his likability.
“Djokovic’s dominance in Australia – he has won seven of the past 10 titles at Melbourne Park – is all becoming rather boring, in the kindest way possible,” Turner wrote.
“He exerts an understated brand of brilliance that struggles to capture the tennis public and the ease with which he is accumulating these trophies is starting to take the spark out of the men’s tournament in Melbourne.
“The 17-time Grand Slam champion is simply far too good.”
Meanwhile, a perceived lack of love from crowds has not affected Djokovic’s behaviour towards them, with New York Times tennis writer Ben Rothenberg reporting he was among the game’s most generous.


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Novak Djokovic: The man with no natural predator
Jake Niall
By Jake Niall
February 1, 2020 — 11.00pm
Long viewed as the third leg in the Federer-Nadal chair that has held up men’s tennis, there’s no question that, as he vies for his eighth Australian Open title against Dominic Thiem, Novak Djokovic is the supreme individual force in the sport.

Australian Open - Shots of the Day

Flying racquet dampeners, insane rallies and Djokovic rattled are some of the highlights from the final day at the Australian Open.

Djokovic represents a kind of unromantic reality in tennis. Arguably it is the unwavering Serb, not the beloved baseline bull Rafael Nadal, who really represents the giant asterisk next to Roger Federer’s claims to the mantle of Greatest of All Time, or GOAT.
Novak Djokovic is carving a unique niche for himself on and off the court.

Novak Djokovic is carving a unique niche for himself on and off the court.Credit:Getty Images
Federer has lately had excellent results against his friend Rafa, winning seven of their past eight – including here in the 2017 final and at Wimbledon (semi-finals) last year. He leads their non-clay encounters 15-11.

But Federer has not beaten Djokovic in a major for more than seven years (2012 Wimbledon) and has slid behind to 23-27 in their head-to-head matches.
The grand slam gap between Federer, 38, and Djokovic, 32, has closed to four – 16 to 20 – and will be three if Djokovic beats Thiem.
While Thursday night’s conquest of an impaired Federer was a virtual cakewalk following a spirited first set, it still followed a familiar pattern of their post-2010 matches, in that Djokovic rope-a-doped the sublime Roger, absorbing a barrage of winners and wizardry – he trailed 1-4 and 0-40. In the 12th game, at 6-5, Federer had 25 winners to Djokovic’s paltry five. John McEnroe commented that this was one of the best sets he’d seen from Federer.
Yet, somehow, Novak won the set and cantered to victory over an ailing Roger.
Novak Djokovic with Roger Federer after their semi-final showdown at the Australian Open.

Novak Djokovic with Roger Federer after their semi-final showdown at the Australian Open. Credit:AP

For the hordes of Federer-philes, this was sobering viewing, containing elements of their hero’s agonising defeat by Djokovic at Wimbledon last year in the fifth-set tie-breaker, when Federer squandered match points, won more points over the match, played the more enterprising and what we consider “better” tennis, yet lost.
Djokovic has an ability to win when he’s losing, to lose battles against the more aesthetically pleasing Federer but win the five-set war, as the writer Brian Phillips noted in The Ringer following that Wimbledon match. “He has a way of patiently absorbing his opponent’s devastating play, doing just enough to stay alive, and choosing precisely the right moment to strike back,” Phillips wrote.
If grand slam tennis is comparable to a sporting “Survivor”, Djokovic is the one who most often ends up alone on the island. This is where he stands within the game today, despite the anomaly of Nadal holding the No. 1 spot in the rankings (2019). Djokovic has also become a powerbroker off the court, in tennis politics, where his ambitious agenda was first fulfilled and then blunted by the alliance of Federer and Nadal in 2019.
As the third-party interloper in the Roger-Rafa bromance, he remains largely unloved by the public, a reality that his coach, the eccentric Goran Ivanisevic, reckons is unfair. “Wrong,” Goran said.
Novak Djokovic.

Novak Djokovic.Credit:Getty Images

“He’s not going to be Swiss, he’s not going to be Spanish,” Goran told Jon Wertheim, the Sports Illustrated writer and 60 Minutes reporter on Wertheim’s podcast Beyond the Baseline, just before the Federer semi-final. Croatian Goran thought it “a possibility” that Djokovic’s Balkan background counted against him. “Generally when you say ‘Balkan’, people look at you different.”
But Goran said it didn’t really matter what the public thought – “at the end of the day, who cares?” – noting that Djokovic was the sport’s best player over the past nine years. “He’s by far number one,” said Ivanisevic, saying Novak would be “maybe the best ever in the history of tennis” when the troika’s careers were done.
Federer’s thrilling Indian summer of 2017-18, when the Swiss upended Nadal here, won Wimbledon and then another Australian Open in 2018, was achieved not only with belated use of a larger racquet, but also with Djokovic mired in a 12-month slump, which the Serb attributed to his elbow injury, motivation and personal issues.
As he recovered from that downswing, Djokovic also sought to pair his on-court dominance with a huge influence on tennis economics and politics – a measure of his ambition.
He assumed control of the ATP Player Council, as president, and with the backing of American Justin Gimelstob embarked on an agenda of grabbing a far greater share of prizemoney for the players immediately, in what was a bruising contest. Some within Team Novak, sources said, had questioned why Djokovic was getting embroiled in tennis politics while trying to be No. 1.

Djokovic, as tennis insiders said, achieved three objectives. First, he presided over the exit of Chris Kermode, the ATP executive chairman and president, who Djokovic felt had not been aggressive enough in seeking money for players. Second, he forced out Roger Rasheed, the renowned Australian coach who was elected to the ATP board as one of three player representatives. Rasheed’s sin, in Novak’s eyes, was to vote with the tournament representatives on the prizemoney issue, which saw a more moderate increase agreed for one year.

Novak Djokovic celebrates after winning the men's singles semi final against Roger Federer. Australian Open
Third, he engineered a change of structure in the ATP management, as Kermode was replaced by Italian pair Andrea Gaudenzi (chairman) and Massimo Calvelli (CEO).
But the Djokovic takeover was checked in August, after Wimbledon, when Federer and Nadal returned to the 12-man ATP Player Council as a package (Gimelstob having exited) and brought a more conciliatory approach to prizemoney – a balance in the force, perhaps. A more gradualist policy to the players’ prizemoney share has since prevailed.
Federer had been the major player, with the late Australian Brad Drewitt, Kermode’s predecessor as ATP boss (2012-2015), in a successful push for the players to gain a greater share of the vast grand slam revenues generated by the majors.

Nick Kyrgios is among the players who’ve made plain their dislike of Djokovic, the unrestrained Australian tweeting that Djokovic “just wanted to be like Roger” and was obsessed with being liked.
Goran strongly disagreed with the Kyrgios appraisal of his man. “People were wrong perspective when they say he’s trying too hard to be liked ... I disagree with that. He is so simple. He has beliefs, he believes in the food that he’s eating, he believes in stretching.” Ivanisevic added: “I could never eat what he is eating.”
Whatever he consumes, Novak Djokovic has no natural predator, on the court, in tennis today.


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Why the majority of tennis fans will never forgive Novak Djokovic for his biggest ‘crime’

Kevin Palmer

Novak Djokovic gestures

Will the newly recrowned Australian Open champion Novak Djokovic ever receive the acclaim he is due?

After the Serbian winning machine churned out another heroic fightback to beat a crestfallen Dominic Thiem in a thrillingly unpredictable Australian Open final in Melbourne, the platitudes that should flow for a champion who claimed 17th Grand Slam title of his remarkable career are likely to be diluted.

A glance at the reaction flowing on social media channels as Djokovic sealed his 6-4, 4-6, 2-6, 6-3 6-4 win on Rod Laver Arena confirmed that for many tennis lovers, this latest Novak triumph was a moment of despair rather than a triumph for a champion who appears to be destined to finish his career with a worthy claim to be the greatest player of all time.

With Djokovic now just two major titles behind Rafael Nadal and three short of Roger Federer’s record-breaking total of 20, this living legend of his sport could expect to be lavished with praise every time he steps onto a court, yet he faces the opposite reaction time and again for a number of reasons.

While Djokovic receives more love in Australia than almost anywhere else on the tennis road show thanks to a sizeable Serbian contingent that worship every step made by their greatest sportsman, the wider tennis audience have a different view of a 32-year-old warrior who is a victim of bad timing.

You see, by the time Djokovic established himself as a serial collector of Grand Slam trophies, tennis fans had already pinned their colours to the mast of either Federer or Nadal and a duel that was impossible to resist at the top of the game.

At first, Djokovic was a welcome challenger to the ‘Big Two’ as he pushed them all the way and generally ended up smiling at the net as he congratulated Roger or Rafa on their victory, but the tide of popular opinion turned against Novak when he started beating them with a little too much ease.

To devotees of Federer and Nadal, Djokovic’s breakthrough was a ‘crime’ he could never be forgiven for and as he has travelled the world picking up title after title over the last decade, Djokovic has been punished time and again for ruining the Roger and Rafa show.

Novak Djokovic pointing

He has had to put up with cheers when he misses his first serve or doubles faults at Wimbledon and London’s ATP Finals, he is always the second favourite with the American audiences when he takes on Federer or Nadal and even though his achievements are threatening over surpass his two fellow legends, the affection he naturally craves seems destined to elude him.

Of course, Djokovic has not helped himself at times with his surly attitude and aggressive body language hard for many to love, with his outburst directed at chair umpire Damien Dumusois as he was given two code violation warnings at the end of the second set against Thiem in his latest final handing his detractors more fuel to add to their fire as the incident instantly started trending on Twitter.

Tapping the umpire’s shoes before sarcastically suggesting he had ‘made himself famous’ by merely following the rules after Djokovic had taken too long to deliver his serves was a moment of petulance that was as ugly as it was unnecessary, yet would Federer or Nadal have been chastised with such venom?

Of course not, but this is the lot Djokovic has to accept as his achievements on court may never be enough to convince his critics that he deserves to be placed on the same pedestal as Federer and Nadal.

When I asked Djokovic whether he felt got the credit deserves from tennis fans after his defeat against Federer at last year’s pre-Wimbledon Boodles event at Stoke Park, he shrugged his shoulders and said he ‘accepted Roger is popular’, yet his annoyance was simmering under the service on a night when his mistakes were cheered by a partisan crowd.

That frustration was in evidence again seconds before he won his eighth Australian Open title as after he missed his first serve, a fan gave out a loud cheer of ‘Yes’. Djokovic gave him a steely star before winning the final point and blowing him a kiss to remind him of his invincibility.

Bizarrely, there was some booing as he went up to make his speech after his latest win, but Djokovic must have accepted his fate long ago.

He is a great ambassador for tennis, does so much for good causes with his charity work, shows professionalism few have ever matched, but a bronze medal may be the best he will get in the eyes of the public.

Even if he ends up winning more Grand Slam titles than any other player, the most popular players in tennis will be Federer first, Nadal second and the third seems destined to be whoever is playing Djokovic.

What a brutal sentence for a player who has achieved so much.


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Novak Djokovic with Australian Open trophy

February 3, 2020

Novak Djokovic, Rafa Nadal, Roger Federer, Tennis News

Novak Djokovic Grand Slam record is better than Rafael Nadal’s and Roger Federer’s, says Pat Cash

Novak Djokovic has been backed in the GOAT debate by Pat Cash, who says the quality of players he’s beaten in Grand Slam finals sets him apart.
Djokovic is currently third in the race with Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer to win the most career Grand Slam titles.
He is, however, six years younger than Federer, and has made no secret of his desire to topple his two great rivals and be regarded as the greatest of all time.
And former Wimbledon champion Cash believes Djokovic is the best player of the three, and the analysis shouldn’t just have to be restricted to numbers.

“You look at who he [Djokovic] has beaten in finals, he has beaten [Jo-Wilfried] Tsonga and [Kevin] Anderson, but the majority of them have been against [Andy] Murray, [Rafael] Nadal and [Roger] Federer.
“He has beaten those guys more or less all the time.

“That’s one heck of a way to rack up those Grand Slam titles.
“You’ve got to make a call on each of their success individually. It is very hard to make a call on the greatest of all time.”

Novak Djokovic currently has 17 Grand Slam titles, two behind Nadal (19) and three short of Federer (20).


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ESPN hosts make ‘ridiculous’ argument about why Djoker’s slam record doesn’t stack up
Two respected US journalists have made staggeringly dumb comments about Novak Djokovic while ripping the Australian Open.

Jai Bednall

Serbia's Novak Djokovic. (Photo by William WEST / AFP)Source:AFP
We don’t even know where to start with this one so we’ll just present these comments from Pardon The Interruption hosts Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon and work from there.
In a segment on their ESPN show after Novak Djokovic won his eighth Australian Open title, Wilbon asked Kornheiser if the Serb was forcing him to rethink who will end up as the greatest tennis player of all time.
It’s not an unreasonable question given Djokovic drew within three slams of Roger Federer and two of Rafael Nadal by winning his 17th major and has time on his side to take the lead.
This was Kornheiser’s response.
“No, he’s not forcing me,” he began. “He has 17 majors … Federer has 20, Nadal has 19. As a tennis player yourself, you know the most important majors are Wimbledon and the US Open. The French is third and the Australian is fourth. Djokovic has eight at the Australian and eight in combination of Wimbledon and the US Open. Federer has 13 in combination of the US Open and Wimbledon.
“So get out of here on this. Djokovic is padding his record by beating old men like Nadal and Federer, because there’s no young great players. So no, he doesn’t move me.”
“That’s the most ridiculous argument I’ve ever heard,” Wilbon responded, before producing one of his own.
Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon on PTI.

Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon on PTI.Source:YouTube
“It was a dreadful argument … because how many Wimbledons does Federer have by himself?”
“Wimbledon’s the big one!” countered Kornheiser.

“I thought the US Open was the big one? That’s what I think,” replied Wilbon, before saving himself somewhat.
“Each one has superiority at a particular event — Nadal at the French,” he concluded. “So if (Djokovic) goes to 22 or 23 and winds up with more than those guys, you are going to be forced to rethink.”
Before we dismiss this as two American loudmouths spouting ignorance it’s worth noting both Wilbon and Kornheiser are decorated former newspaper journalists with the Washington Post and their show, which has run since 2001, has won an Emmy.
But these takes were staggeringly off the mark.
Novak Djokovic and Roger Federer. (Photo by DAVID GRAY / AFP)

Novak Djokovic and Roger Federer. (Photo by DAVID GRAY / AFP)Source:AFP
The first glaring call was their ranking of the slams. Even the most prideful Aussie tennis fan would admit the Wimbledon crown is the most prestigious in the sport but after that you can throw a blanket over the rest and you certainly can’t argue any are easier or harder to win than the others.
There was also a bit of recency bias in his suggestion Djokovic is getting an easier road to his slams.
Comparing players and eras is fraught with danger but Dominic Thiem, Djoker’s opponent in the final at Melbourne Park last Sunday, had already played in two slam finals and is ranked fourth in the world.
We’re not sure you can consider him more of an easybeat than some of Federer’s slam final opponents, like Robin Soderling (two slam finals, highest ranking fourth), Fernando Gonzales (one slam final, highest ranking fifth) and Marcos Baghdatis (one slam final, highest ranking eighth).
Might be time to get back to talking about the Super Bowl, gentlemen.


there is no objective widely accepted standard for assessing greatest of all time and hence, this is all merely opinion... but the following is the resume of a candidate for GOAT for any reasonable judge

Djokovic has:

  • 17 Grand Slam titles and counting
  • 276 weeks at no. 1 with only Federer and Sampras ahead of him
  • Highest number of points accrued as world No.1 (16,950)
  • Holding all four Major titles on 3 different surfaces at once... only player in history to do so
  • Non calendar year grand slam
  • 3 streaks of 3+ consecutive Grand Slam title wins... only player in history to do so
  • 3+ consecutive finals at each Grand Slam... only player in history to do so
  • record 8 Australian Open titles
  • 2 Grand Slam titles after saving one or more match points --> Laver the only other player to do so
  • Holding all four Grand Slams and Year-End Championship at once... only player to do so
  • Only player ever to have won all 14 top tier tournaments on tour --> Grand Slams, ATP finals & all 9 Masters tournaments
  • 56 Top-tier tournaments won (Elite Titles)
  • 10 Top-tier tournaments won in a season (2015)
  • 18 Top-tier tournament finals in a row
  • 15 straight finals reached in a season (2015)
  • positive H2H against all other major rivals during the course of his career --> 29–26 vs Nadal, 27–23 v Federer, 25–11 vs Murray, 19–6 v Wawrinka, 18–6 vs Tsonga, 16–4 v Del Potro
and all of this has been achieved having to compete against Federer and Nadal for the entirety of his career whereas someone like Federer got to cherry pick a lot of his earlier Grand Slam victories against the likes of Philippoussis, Roddick, Baghdatis, Hewitt, and Gonzalez

and these yanks tend to forget that dismissing the Australian Open can boomerang on them --> it is joint most successful slam for Serena Willaims, second most successful slam for Federer, Agassi's most successful slam, 2 of Courier's 4 GSs won, Hingis' most successful slam (3 of 5 GS were Oz Open wins), 2 of Capriati's 3 GS successes, the Bryan borthers' most successful slam etc.

before Trump got elected, I wouldn't have thought it possible... now looking back and seeing the calibre of discourse in the ol' US of A, Trump was clearly inevitable
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