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Discussion Starter #1
As a part of the Commonwealth Games Bid ...

Capacity: 28,000
Yet to be approved.
Cost: $175 Million

No Track, Full size FIFA field. This is also on the condition that Soccer is accepted into the Commonwealth games.

The stadium would be used for International soccer events and the Tiger Cats CFL Team after.

See Photo Below:


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Um, technically, Hamilton's not in the GTA, but I take your point.

The fact that soccer is not part of the Commonwealth Games is insane - especially since the "mother" of the commonwealth, England, is the birthplace of modern soccer.

I assume that, unlike the Toronto stadium, this would be primarily a gridiron football stadium?

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All I have to say is thank God. Ivor Wynne Stadium will be no more...


Plus, these smaller stadiums are better because fans are right on top of the action.

Keyboard Hero
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Great day!

Great news.

I'm so happy.

Building blocks lads, one step at a time then one day, maybe one day.....

Our sport WILL grow here all we need is patience and perseverance.

The stadium looks great too.

Thank you Jarrek.

Heck, what if Montreal and Ottawa follow? Ya never know.

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this is great news for soccer hear in canada...but i have one question...can 2 stadiums be afforded...for soccer...i mean that...i've been playing cpsl...and only like 30 people at the most come to watch games...how will 20 000 or so be there on a regular basis?...plus there is no a-league team in hamilton

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Discussion Starter #10
juve 4ever said:
...but i have one question...can 2 stadiums be afforded...for soccer...i mean that...i've been playing cpsl...

Don't they play soccer at high school stadiums? Not exactly a good way to brand your product. The CPSL is just a development league anyways.

These stadiums will be primarly for the National team, with the Hamilton one being the home of a CFL team as well.

If a stadium gets built in Toronto an MLS franchise is sure to follow at some point, and this league would surely attract more then 10,000 per game in that city.

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Well, in North America these smaller venues are the way to go....the fans are right up there in the middle of the action. If you look at Columbus, they built a small stadium which holds about 25,000 people. It is perfect for the MLS. Our National team played a few games in there as well and it is a great venue...Los Angelas will also open a 30,000 seat stadium and the Galaxy will play all their home games there and it will also be a base for the US NT to play a few games and where they will hold camp. The MetroStars and the MLS are also planning a similar type stadium in New Jersey as well.

Hamilton and Toronto are doing it the right way and the stadiums will succeed. These stadiums will be modern and great for the NT team host some friendly matches.

By the way, if you look at World Cup 98, most of the venues were played in small stadiums holding 30,000 to 40,000 fans.

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Times change since the original post in 2002. This new stadium will be built for the 2015 Pan Am Games and will be home to the TiCats and a future soccer team. Perhaps the title of the thread can be changed

Good general article on the financial side to running a stadium - JM

Mitchell answers questions
Steve Milton Sep 01 2011 theSpec.com

At first blush, it all seems counterintuitive.

How can building new stands on the north side of Ivor Wynne Stadium not cost more than renovating the current ones?

And how can the significantly reduced seating capacity — from the original 25,000 seats to a reported 22,500 — not negatively impact the Hamilton Tiger-Cats’ bottom line?

Those were among the nagging questions after it was revealed last week that plans for the Pan Am Stadium on the current site of Ivor Wynne now call for the entire north stands to be torn down and rebuilt, instead of being refurbished atop the current infrastructure.

“This is absolutely and positively the most cost-efficient and responsible decision,” Ticat president Scott Mitchell answered Wednesday. “This isn’t a good thing, it’s a great thing.”

By agreeing to the reduced seat inventory, the Ticats made a major concession to Infrastructure Ontario to keep construction costs at the original estimate.

And, Mitchell says, potential builders will welcome the idea of constructing the north stands from the ground up, rather than trying to work around existing flaws, many of which are major.

“That’s 100 per cent accurate,” Mitchell said. “This creates cost certainty in the construction phase. You never know what you’re going to find out when you renovate. It might have involved all kinds of (capital) expense that wasn’t anticipated. And this prohibits the city from potentially having to spend tens of millions of dollars in maintenance of the north stands in the next few years.”

Additionally, having renovated north stands with uncomfortable bench seating and the same washroom and concession facilities as in the past would have meant that the Cats, and the city, were going to operate, in effect, two different facilities.

“What was clearly emerging was a have-versus-have-not scenario on the two sides of the stadium,” he said. “And that’s not conducive to effective cost management or a good in-stadium experience.”

The Tiger-Cats need to derive $10 million per year, or roughly $1 million per game, from ticket sales. Mitchell, bound by a confidentiality clause, would not comment on the exact capacity of the new stadium. But assuming the 22,500 figure is accurate, at an average $50 per ticket, the Cats will cover the $10 million as long as they sell out most games.

And a smaller stadium actually helps dramatically with that. Increasing the demand for tickets because there is a limited supply should translate into more season ticket holders than the current number, estimated to be slightly under 15,000. The Chicago Cubs and Boston Red Sox have always operated that way because of their old, small stadiums, but in 1990 the Baltimore Orioles became the first professional sports team to deliberately build a new stadium smaller than their old one. That forces fans to buy season’s tickets for fear that they won’t be able to get the tickets for games they really want. Then, weather and the competitive state of the team don’t affect sales as profoundly. The Montreal Alouettes had the same situation with the 20,000-seat Molson Stadium, and sold out every game for years.

The Ticats average between 23,000 and 24,000 spectators per game but about 20 per cent of them enjoy complimentary tickets, significantly lower than the figure from three years ago but still nearly double the industry standard. Tightening up on contra (tickets instead of cash, paid for services) and special group sales will allow the Cats to realize full income from a far greater percentage of the seats.

“So the biggest casualty in the capacity reduction will be those contra deals and big corporate buys,” Mitchell said.

The break-even point for most CFL teams is believed to be about $15 million in total annual income. With recent huge increases in TV viewership, broadcast revenues are expected to double or triple in the next couple of years, taking a big bite out of the $5 million income required beyond ticket sales. While the number of high-rent corporate boxes and club seats slated for the new stadium have not been revealed, there are going to be at least twice as many as there are now, adding more income potential to the Cats’ balance sheet.

“And clearly, we’ll have major increased revenue from concessions and merchandising because of an enhanced stadium experience,” Mitchell says. “It will also be a better experience for our corporate partners.”

The Ticats plan to cap individual season ticket sales at between 17,000 and 18,000. Season’s tickets prices for 2011 range from $14 per game in the end zone to $160 for the box seats at midfield. Those prices are expected to rise by two per cent next year.

But the team announced Wednesday that season’s tickets for 2012, the last season at Ivor Wynne, would cost the same as tickets for 2014, the first season in the new stadium.

“We wanted to nip in the bud all the talk that ‘I won’t be able to go to the new stadium because I can’t afford it,’” Mitchell explained.

Mitchell also said that the $1.3 million rent the Cats will pay the city in the new stadium will be the highest in the CFL and that the more income the club makes, the more the city will make on their rake-off of the profit, over and above the rental agreement.

And, he says, the seating capacity on opening day doesn’t have to remain that way. He wouldn’t comment directly, but the configuration of the new stadium has to include room for enough temporary seating to reach the 40,000 minimum required to play host to a Grey Cup Game.

“Infrastructure Ontario will deliver a great stadium, but obviously there’d be nothing stopping us, as far as far as post-Pan Am Games go, from adding more seating ourselves.”

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Stadium debate takes a new turn
Matthew Van Dongen thespec.com Jan 12 2012

Ivor Wynne stadium appears to be on the move — by about 90 degrees.

Starting in late 2012, the venerable Tiger-Cats stadium will be demolished and rebuilt as a (150 million -JM) 22,500-seat venue capable of hosting both CFL football and international soccer in advance of the 2015 Pan Am Games.

Rumours have swirled for months the east-west oriented stadium would be reconstructed along north-south lines.

It’s definitely an option, said Lloyd Ferguson, who cochairs the city stadium precinct subcommittee.

“It’s my understanding this has been proposed,” said Ferguson, who wouldn’t reveal how he knows about the stadium swivel. “I’d be surprised if all of the bidders didn’t change (the orientation).”

Pan Am head Ian Troop admitted the layout change has been discussed.

“The Ticats raised it with us early on,” Troop said Thursday in Toronto, where he participated in a groundbreaking for the $514-million Pan Am athletes village.

He said the three competing bid teams have looked at the idea, but added a “confirmed solution” won’t be announced until July.

The layout change could make more room for concessions and fan-friendly facilities. It would also help keep direct sun out of the eyes of players and fans — a bonus for football and Pan Am soccer players alike.

Troop said planners took into account the expert advice of global soccer gurus such as those with the Fédération Internationale de Football Association (FIFA). He couldn’t say whether stadium orientation factored into that discussion, but the federation’s stadium construction guidelines say a north-south orientation is often preferred.

But the layout switch would mean more to Hamiltonians than snazzier concessions and less squinting, said Councillor Bernie Morelli.

The new stadium will stay within its existing block, bounded by Beechwood Avenue, Melrose Avenue, Cannon Street East and Balsam Avenue.

“But if this happens, you’re talking about new parking, new entrances, new traffic patterns potentially,” said Morelli, who is impatient to begin neighbourhood planning around the revamped stadium.

“Who knows, maybe we’d have to think about temporarily closing part of one of those streets for games, or permanently. It’s a little frustrating, because without confirmation (of the layout), we can’t even begin to look at those issues.”

Infrastructure Ontario, the provincial agency overseeing construction of Pan Am legacy facilities, has so far refused to publicly discuss even the specifications for the new stadium beyond the capacity, 22,500 seats, citing the need to protect the competitive bidding process.

City staff assigned to monitor the stadium design process had to sign confidentiality agreements, and Ferguson, Morelli and other committee members have been asked to follow suit.

Ferguson said he’ll sign if it means having access to design details that will help councillors plan responsibly for the community. The finalized bids are due in March, but anyone not in the loop will have to wait for details until July.

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Ivor Wynne Stadium project secret until September
Kevin Werner News Staff May, 28, 2012

Hamilton residents won’t know the cost nor the design of the new Ivor Wynne Stadium until at least late September.

The request for proposals for the stadium, velodrome, and the new athletics stadium at York University for the 2015 Pan Am Games closed last week, and provincial and Toronto 2015 officials are reviewing the projects’ designs, and costs applications over the next two months. A preferred company, and design, will be selected in August, said officials. But the winning bid, and cost of the project, won’t be revealed until Sept. 26 when the company, cost and design of the new stadium will be released to the public. City staff added that only the winning bid will be available to the public, and the other two bids will be kept secret.

“It’s very difficult being left in the dark,” said Councillor Bernie Morelli, who represents the area where Ivor Wynne Stadium is located.

Added Ancaster councillor Lloyd Ferguson, chair of the Pan Am Stadium sub-committee: “We don’t have enough information,” said Ferguson. “I’m very uncomfortably with the secrecy.”

City staff, though, are privy to some budget, design, and cost information from the proponents, but they are required to keep the information from the public because they signed a confidentiality agreement insisted by the province. Representatives from Infrastructure Ontario were asked to appear before the committee May 28, but Ferguson said they declined the invitation.

Gerry Davis, general manager of public works, said city staff is obligated to operate under the secretive restrictions. But he assured Ferguson that they are protecting Hamilton’s interests.

“I understand your frustrations,” said Davis. “We are not sitting back. We are poking holes. There are still unanswered questions. Questions like, can we afford it?”

Hamilton council established a $45 million budget ceiling for the stadium. If the project’s design’s costs are higher than the city’s contribution, politicians will have to re-consider the city’s contribution to the stadium.

Tony Tollis, the city’s treasurer, said the new stadium needs to meet three priorities: the use of the stadium; the proposed design, and the city and province’s final budget.

The prequalified three firms that have submitted bids are consortiums composed of national and internal companies. They are Bird Turner Stadium Company, Ontario Sports Solutions and United Sports.

Construction on the new stadium isn’t scheduled to begin until Dec. 2, 2012, with a substantial completion of the project expected by July 1, 2014.

Meanwhile, Coralee Secore, manager of the city’s Pan Am Initiatives, said it’s possible McMaster University’s Ron Joyce Stadium could be used as a practice facility for soccer during the Pan Am Games. Ian Troop, chief executive officer for Toronto 2015, identified Burlington’s New City Park as a possible practice location. Hamilton will be hosting 48 games during the two-week spectacle at Ivor Wynne, which translates into about three games per day.

Secore also added that Hamilton isn’t expected get any events when the Parapan Games begin following the Pan Am Games.

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With about a week to go the rumour mill around the new Hamilton stadium is getting a little clearer. Nothing to be either excited or upset about, expect something along the traditional lines like Mosaic in Regina and Canad Inns in Winnipeg except better. Really not much more to it.

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Pan Am stadium plan rollout soon
More comfort, cup holders, shorter lineups and a high tech environment
stadium concept

Expect Hamilton's new Pan Am stadium to provide greatly upgraded seating, vastly improved restrooms and food concessions, as well as some protection for fans from rain and sun and a signature look in design or theme.

But look, too, for advanced technology in terms of the scoreboard, ramped-up Wi-Fi, and perhaps interactive elements for fans. Those elements are all part of the forecast based on recent stadium development in North America.

We'll soon know for sure what the boiling stadium controversy of 2009 to 2011 has produced. Infrastructure Ontario is sticking to a vague “late this month” timing for naming the winning build/design/finance team.

But sources at City Hall and close to the Tiger-Cats say a grand public rollout of the stadium design is in the works for Oct. 12 at Ivor Wynne Stadium during half time of the Ticats game against the B.C. Lions.

Whenever, it's fair to ask if the Great Stadium Debate II will break out. Another riveting public dispute, though short-lived, could erupt if enough people don't like the design, the cost or the functionality of the estimated $150-million Pan Am facility. Remember, all but $9 million are public dollars, meaning just about everyone will pay for it one way or another, through the city's Future Fund and provincial and federal taxes.

And stadiums stand alone among public buildings for their lack of flexibility and limited use. A recent survey of major sports venues in North America found only one made economic sense. Los Angeles' Staples Center, run by entertainment giant AEG, recorded the most use. It was booked 250 days a year.

Ward 3 councillor Bernie Morelli, whose political patch includes the new Ivor Wynne, says the facility must engage the public in one form or another 365 days a year to make sense.

“Otherwise we're missing the boat,” he says. “We blew off two fields (old Ivor Wynne and Brian Timmis due to the new north-south field alignment) to get one (Pan Am). We lost one soccer field because of the stadium development. My cry is this — we need flexibility in this facility.”

Toronto 2015 CEO Ian Troop, who still has a few scars from the debate on stadium location, said the stadium development provides Hamilton with a “cost-effective” opportunity to provide a long legacy to the community.

“This is the new home of the Tiger-Cats, but it's also an opportunity to build a home for soccer in the future. And I know the city is spending a lot of time thinking through how it can serve the community there, to make it a positive departure point in terms of legacy.”

Maximizing use was one of the dilemmas facing the three competing design teams who joined with builders and financial partners to make the short list trying to win the stadium contract.

They competed for it along with Milton's velodrome, and the track and field facility at York University, in a bundled bid process.

That's over $200 million worth of work, which is why it has drawn some of the leading sports-facility designers in the world.

Folks in Minneapolis-St. Paul got to see some of their work recently when the five firms competing to design a $1-billion stadium for the Minnesota Vikings rolled out examples of previous work in a public forum.

Two of them were Populous and HKS Architects, who are part of design teams vying for the new Hamilton stadium.

Populous conceived London's Olympic stadium among its many high-profile facilities, while HKS designed Cowboys Stadium in Dallas.

Populous is paired with Kasian Architecture in one bid group, HKS with ZAS Architects in another. The third design group includes Cannon Design, which also has Olympic experience including the award-winning 2010 Olympics' Richmond Oval. Faulkner Browns Architects of England, a leading velodrome designer, and Arup Associates were the other firms.

Bob Johnston, of Cannon, was an adviser to Hamilton's Commonwealth bids and the Pan Am stadium component in the early bid process; and Cannon advises the Canadian Football League on stadium matters.

The winning concept will be awarded by Infrastructure Ontario, the provincial agency overseeing 2015 Pan Am Games' venue construction.

So, what does $150 million get you these days in a stadium that seats 22,000 people for soccer and football?

Based on recent stadium construction and the needs of tenants like the Tiger-Cats, a pro soccer team and training academy as well as community uses, here's some basics:

• Minimum 19-inch-wide seats and up to 21 inches for regular seating with armrests and cup holders.

Club seating, an upgrade from regular seats, which include access to lounges with catered food and drink, to be 22 to 24 inches wide with padding. Suite seating would be a further upgrade depending on the client.

• Larger and perhaps double the number of restrooms with quick access from seating.
• More efficient concessions with easy access from seating.
• Sightlines and proximity to the field that come close to duplicating Ivor Wynne. With a minimum 70-yard width to accommodate Pan Am soccer versus 65 yards for football, Ticat fans will likely be further from the action at the new stadium, unless the design includes seating sections that can retract.
• Most modern stadiums feature fixed or suspended roof sections that spare many fans rain and protect them from the sun, while still letting light through.
• Large and modern dressing rooms for two pro football and two pro soccer teams, as well as smaller rooms for minor sports.
• Flexibility to add temporary seating for special events like the Grey Cup.
• Wi-Fi capability so 22,000 fans can use wireless devices to search game statistics as well as conduct personal business.
• As many as 32 camera positions for special TV events, as well as an in-house TV studio.
• Prime positions for suites likely means press, radio and TV boxes will be moved to the corners, away from the traditional 55-yard-line positions.
• Reduced greenhouse gas emissions, waste diversion and recycling and efficient use of energy and water.
• A signature flourish in design or theme that says Hamilton, a demanding element in a city that is evolving.
• Community use in the form of space for health and wellness programs and space that complements future recreation development in the area surrounding the stadium.

Recent stadium development to look at when speculating on the new Ivor Wynne (the name will be determined by whoever the Ticats can sell naming rights to) include Winnipeg's new home for the Blue Bombers and two new college facilities in Texas.

The CFL's director of events and promotions, points to the stadium at University of North Texas in Denton, Texas, as a prototype for the league.

Curt Emerson, who has been compiling a blueprint for what the league needs in new stadia, called it “a model stadium, which would work well in our league with the technology they have put into it.”

The 30,000-seat Apogee Stadium, designed by HKS, is broadcast friendly and set up to help the school maximize game-day revenues.

It is also the centrepiece of an athletic campus that was awarded the platinum certification by Leadership in Energy and Design (LEED). It employs small wind turbines to offset its power use. Monitoring of the wind-power piece is part of the academic curriculum.

Infrastructure Ontario set out a LEED silver level of certification as the goal for the Hamilton stadium.

Apogee features 21 luxury suites, 750 club seats, banquet space and a team-spirit apparel store.

Winnipeg's $190-million, 33,000-seat facility on the University of Manitoba campus, meantime, boasts eight acres of roof to protect fans and a full-time restaurant.

Investor's Group Field has 28 restrooms (two 120 feet-by-30 feet), video scoreboards, 250 high definition TV throughout the stadium, and has a sunken bowl design with the field 25-feet below entrances.

The $163-million remake of Texas Christian University's 40,000-seat stadium in Fort Worth was conceived by HKS, and features southwest art deco touches in keeping with the campus, and weaves the history of the university and Fort Worth throughout the facility.

And to add perspective, consider the $60-million, 18,000-seat high school, yes high school, stadium in Allen, Texas, a suburb of Dallas.

It opened last month to serve the Allen Eagles, but it also has a training centre for wrestling and an indoor golf area.

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Pan Am Stadium unveiling comes next month
CHML 9/26/2012

The drawings of Hamilton's Pan Am Stadium will be unveiled on October 12th.

City and government officials, including those from Infrastructure Ontario, will be in town to show residents what the facility will look like.

The groundbreaking is expected to occur once the Hamilton Tiger-Cats season is over in November.

The Pan Am Stadium is expected to be completed by July 1st 2014.

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Cost of new stadium just shy of 149 million dollars
Ken Mann 10/12/2012

Pan Am Games officials have unveiled the details of Hamilton's new football and soccer stadium.

It will be built at a cost of over 145 million dollars to be jointly funded by the federal and provincial governments and the City of Hamilton.

The stadium, to be built at the site of Ivor Wynne, will include 22,500 permanent seats with the potential for expansion to 40 thousand for major events.

There will also be 30 club suites, six elevators, bigger seats for spectators, concession stands on all levels and it will built on a North-South alignment to provide views of the escarpment.

The current Ivor Wynne Stadium will be demolished in December at the end of the current CFL season.

The new stadium is to be completed in July of 2014.

Ontario Sports Solutions a consortium of developers, builders, designers and contractors is the winning bidder.
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