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The kid is only 17 and he is being chased by major European clubs such as Inter,Juve,Bayern,Milan.He will also debut for the BiH U21 team vs France.
 

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Pjanića traže Inter, Milan, Juve ...
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05.10.2007 21:25

Miralem Pjanić (17 godina), mladi fudbalski reprezentativac BiH, na meti je velikih evropskih timova.

Za usluge bh. internacionalca koji nosi dres francuskog prvoligaša Meca zainteresovana su velika italijanska trojka Inter, Milan, Juventus, a prema pisanju hrvatskog "Indexa" zanimanje za Pjanića pokazali su i Čelzi, Bajern, Liverpul i Real Madrid.

Ove informacije potvrdio je i Miralemov otac, Fahrudin:

"Od trenutka kada je Miralem debitovao za Mec protiv Pari Sen Žermena počele su stizati ponude velikih evropskih ekipa. Najkonkretniji i najuporniji je Inter. Međutim, u ovom trenutku još nismo donijeli nikakvu odluku."

Pjaniću ove godine ističe stipendijski ugovor sa Mecom, ali on još nema status profesionalnog fudbalera. Francuski prvoligaš najavio je da će pokušati zadržati našeg mladog igrača, ali će za to morati pričekati 2. april iduće godine, kada Miralem puni 18 godina.

Pjanić je dobio poziv Nikole Nikića, selektora mlade fudbalske reprezentacije BiH, za nastup u dresu sa državnim grbom naše zemlje 12. oktobra u Albiju protiv Francuske. No, pored našeg u svojoj reprezentaciji Pjanića želi i Francuska, te Luksemburg, za čiju "U-17" selekciju je Pjanić već nastupao.

Ipak, Fahrudin Pjanić najavio je da će Miralem igrati samo za BiH, te da će se u ponedjeljak odazvati selektoru Nikiću na okupljanju bh. nada u Tesliću uoči meča sa "trikolorima".
 

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I think its good that he is almost 18 and getting this kind of attention. I dont make a big deal out of kids that are 12, 13, but if you are just about 18, and you get that kind of interest, you might have something there. (especially since he actually has a place on a club that has made it to the top league)
 

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Seeing is believing as far as I'm concerned. I remember Ibisevic and Custovic were hyped up tremendously at the time as well, and so far they've shown to be average players at best.
There are, generally speaking, three reasons for this kind of behaviour.

First of all, we (BiH public in general) are still suffering from the 'Ibrahimovic syndrom' and we're so afraid that another world class player will be lost for us, so every new talent is presented widely in the media so someone in the savez hopefully takes notice of him before Sweden, France of Germany do.

Secondly, as we all know, our NT has never played in it's best possible line up for various reasons, so looking at some of the players we have now we tend to believe (often rightfully so) that those new talents cannot possibly be any worse than fools like Radeljic or Music. This enhances the public reaction and it is basically all just hope born out of desperation. Hope that some day we'll see a better player on for instance Damjanovic's position on the team, who ever that player might be - Pjanic in this case.

Thirdly, we (again, BiH public in general led by journalists) often like to think of our own as world class (prospect) and thus exaggerate from time to time and be unrealistic. This goes for many different area's in life, not just football. I still almost puke when I think of that ode to Musemic by Baho Pitar in the days right after FKS' win in Genk. He made Musemic look like bloody Capello and himself like a bloody clown when the real 'strength' of FKS in Europe came to light...

The reasons why we think in such a manner are various and complex, as they have much to do with as well society as mentality. We either exaggerate and brag about our own, or immediately take a huge steaming dump on something when we even hear it's Bosnian made... Realism, that huuuge part in between these two extremes is often nowhere to be found. But that is another story.

All in all, I am sure the kid has talent and I hope he makes it in the future but it definitely wouldn't hurt us to slow it down a little with those great expectations until we actually see something from him and get an idea of what to actually expect.
 

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You are right. There is however a difference in the situation here (or they may be, lets see if he does get signed by a big club) We might have been a bit crazy over Ibisevic, but if you look at it realistically, at that time he was only a very good college soccer player. I think we were hoping for greatness but the facts in front of us were not strong.

If the media sources are true, and some neutral ones have stated the same, this is much bigger than anything else.

There are three categories to judge young players I think: (players above 17 but below 22)

1) Players playing in second division clubs, or in countries where the league is weak (the Zeba's)

2) Players that play in the best division and in a stronger leagues but (usually not the best clubs though) (Dzeko)

3) Players that play in the best divisison, best leagues, best clubs.

We have loads of players in that 1st category. We get excited about Zeba (or Muzurovic does) and I wonder why. We are excited about a player playing in the 2nd division in a crappy league? Ibisevic seems at Zeba's level because he is already 23 now and he is at a second division side. The thing about Ibisevic too is that he had a shot at the top level, is team got relegated, and nobody said that he was any better. So his level may be the same as Zeba's.

I think we have every right to be excited about the Dzeko's. A 21yr old that is playing in one of the better leagues in the world, at the highest level. Not a top club, but that is not bad at all. He started of at a worse club but by 22 he was able to get into a top league. That means something I think.

Right now, if these reports are true, we are going to have a player at the highest level you can get to. It's definetley something to get excited about. I don't know many of our players that were at this possible situation at this age.
 

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And generally, I would also say this:

We Bosnians sometimes think since our Savez doesn't know about a player, it makes that guy better because of random things we hear. We kept hearing about Ibisevic, because yeah, he was doing amazing, but it was for his COLLEGE. Talented players know how good they are and they would not miss the chance to go to the level they deserve. Nobody WANTS to play in the 2nd division, nobody WANTS to play in a country with a crappy league, so you do 99% of the time, because you suck.

Instead, we always keep thinking that those certain players we get excited abour are in the situation they are in because of the savez or because nobody has realized their talent. Usually, that is not the case. Good players find good clubs to play for.

So I am actually starting to believe more that players should prove themselves first, find a good club, in a good league, and then called. Otherwise, why the **** do you deserve to play for the NT?

Should the NT do things for YOU? That is the wrong way of going about it. You should prove yourself, find a good club, and then you go to the NT. I mean good clubs in the world are not stupid to fall for just signing guys because they play for a NT..they realize this stuff happens and there is a lot of players who lack talent playing on NT's. (at least in badly run ones)

If you are past 22, and you are in a certain situation, that is usually what you are. (your level)
 

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Manijak said:
So I am actually starting to believe more that players should prove themselves first, find a good club, in a good league, and then called. Otherwise, why the **** do you deserve to play for the NT?

Should the NT do things for YOU? That is the wrong way of going about it. You should prove yourself, find a good club, and then you go to the NT. I mean good clubs in the world are not stupid to fall for just signing guys because they play for a NT..they realize this stuff happens and there is a lot of players who lack talent playing on NT's. (at least in badly run ones)

If you are past 22, and you are in a certain situation, that is usually what you are. (your level)
I completely agree with this part. The trouble is though that we have to manoeuvre within the context of this specific Bosnian situation. That framework basically comes down to the fact that our Premier/Cirkus Liga sucks like no league has ever sucked before. We have virtually no talent coming through via our domestic clubs to the big competitions of Europe. When was the last time someone from our league went directly to a (sub-)top European club? These guys are not in the position to even 'prove' themselves when they play for clubs like Khimki, Litex, Zilina, ****ing Saba battery or whatever it's called, cause that way they will always remain below the NT level. The NT level we deserve, that is. This is exactly the reason why I wasn't overly happy with for instance Spahic staying in the Russian league (with due respect) despite his reasons were completely legit.

The reason why I'm mentioning the BiH PL is the fact that because of this lack of talent coming through (NOT talent, we have that, it is the league, the managers, lack of competion, low pays, etc etc) our hopes are, if not primarily then surely for a big part focused on the diaspora and all those young fellows who have had their football education in other countries. Ibisevic, Pjanic, Muslimovic, Ibrahimovic, Jakupovic, Tahirovic, Misimovic, Medunjanin, the list is endless... They have already proven themselves more than some guy playing for a low table Romanian club will ever do. That's why we get so delirious every time a new name pops up, and at the same time very afraid his new homeland will snatch them from us forever. And it is in this process that we lose our heads and become too enthusiastic.
Salihamidzic, Barbarez, Papac, Bajramovic, Dzeko and Muslimovic are the guys who did it all by themselves with the help of nothing but their sheer quality, something that cannot be said about the Bosnian contingent in the leagues such as the Russian one.
 

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Pape I totally agree with you post, I havent seen any talent come through one of our clubs, the Croats have had a bunch, take Eduardo for instance. Even though he didnt really come from Croatia he came in cheap, and he left playing for Arsenal and made the club rich.
 

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Pape said:
I completely agree with this part. The trouble is though that we have to manoeuvre within the context of this specific Bosnian situation. That framework basically comes down to the fact that our Premier/Cirkus Liga sucks like no league has ever sucked before. We have virtually no talent coming through via our domestic clubs to the big competitions of Europe. When was the last time someone from our league went directly to a (sub-)top European club? These guys are not in the position to even 'prove' themselves when they play for clubs like Khimki, Litex, Zilina, ****ing Saba battery or whatever it's called, cause that way they will always remain below the NT level. The NT level we deserve, that is. This is exactly the reason why I wasn't overly happy with for instance Spahic staying in the Russian league (with due respect) despite his reasons were completely legit.

The reason why I'm mentioning the BiH PL is the fact that because of this lack of talent coming through (NOT talent, we have that, it is the league, the managers, lack of competion, low pays, etc etc) our hopes are, if not primarily then surely for a big part focused on the diaspora and all those young fellows who have had their football education in other countries. Ibisevic, Pjanic, Muslimovic, Ibrahimovic, Jakupovic, Tahirovic, Misimovic, Medunjanin, the list is endless... They have already proven themselves more than some guy playing for a low table Romanian club will ever do. That's why we get so delirious every time a new name pops up, and at the same time very afraid his new homeland will snatch them from us forever. And it is in this process that we lose our heads and become too enthusiastic.
Salihamidzic, Barbarez, Papac, Bajramovic, Dzeko and Muslimovic are the guys who did it all by themselves with the help of nothing but their sheer quality, something that cannot be said about the Bosnian contingent in the leagues such as the Russian one.

The bad standard of the BIH league is for many many reasons, but it will always be below what we feel it should be since there is no money there. (like you mentioned)

We take the standard of the BIHPL a bit personally because its our country but the fact remains that we have countries that are world powers in fudbal and they dont have a great league.(Czech Rep. Portugal is not great, Croatia etc etc) What does that tell you? Money plays the main role in having a good league. We dont produce any players from BIHPL because all the good players have no interest in playing at that low level.

The main key to being a good soccer country is good youth development, you'll see that with Czech Rep, Portugal, and Croatia.

The real advantage England, Spain, Italy, have, by having a good league, is that they dont have to do much scouting. All their players are at a central place. And if its your league, run mostly by coaches of that nationality, you will get most of your players, ones with any potential, in there. So it provides opportunity and it allows all your players to stay at a central place so watching their development and improving them becomes easier.

So in many ways, I do agree. However I do have to disagree that Bosnian players don't have a chance if they go to Litex or some of these other clubs. I mean you have to prove yourself there, stand out, to go better. And I do believe places like Austria, Turkey, Belgium, do bring those chances.

Unfortunatley our problem is not just a crappy league, our youth teams suck. I mean if our U21 team was strong, if we had major recognition as Serbia lets say in that area, it be a lot easier to sell a lot of those guys to solid clubs. So the bad youth teams is a lot bigger problem then the crappy league at this point. Because nobody will have a great league except the richest of the bunch.

However, I'll say again. I think if the talent is there, the players do still have a good shot of making it at a good league, no matter if the BIH league is crappy.
 

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And just some facts about him and Metz.

- 9 rounds have been played in the French ligue, Mets have only 1 win, 2 draws and 6 losses.

- Pjanic did not make an appearance in the first three games. Not only that, he was not even on the bench.

- Pjanic has made four total appearance so far. (three for the league, one Cup game)

- In the fourth game he got on as a sub in the 70th minute. In the fifth game he started. In the sixth game he started. In the seventh he was on the bench. In the eight game he was not on bench. In the night game he was once again on the bench.

So unless he was injured for the first three games, it seems the coach put more trust in him as time is going. But they are a bad team so really the coach should worry how he is being used. You don't want to ruin the kids confidence with a sad bunch like this.
 

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I agree with all the stuff being said how we and our media hype up these talents but the Pjanic stuff is being written by neutral media sources.Iv never seen the kid play but the stuff being said about him in the Metz forum is positive and encouraging.
 

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I understand some French and the basic thing seems to be,
a) there is nothing strange about 16-18yr old being tracked by top clubs in the world (obviously if they are promising and show talent)
b) yes, he has the talent, but it remains to be seen how he can play on a consistent basis, is he physical strong enough, + if he was to go to a higher level can actually keep up there.
c) some making fun and saying, he isn't starting tomorrow for Metz, and isn't play regulary, but all these big clubs want him.

One poster compared a player that plays for Metz to Pjanic and stated they would turn out the same.(bad) Another guy said that was wrong and not the same because Pjanic has much better technique and vision at this age than that player.
 

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And Metz fans are right. Pjanic should first be a regular part of the Metz team, and THEN, if he does stand out, he can go further. Right now he hasn't had a chance to stand-out and I think that is mostly because of his age. The fact that he is actually getting into Ligue 1 games is a good sign at this point.
 
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