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Though Suso scored thanks to Piatek's effort, he still needs to be benched b/c he seems more effective as sub when someone has run the opponent tired.

Too many brainless players in this Milan who can't make a proper decision quickly and who have no vision when come to distribute the ball properly, which kills the play build-up and kills the already limited attacking options.

The whole team is still a pain to watch......

Positive notes:

- I like the way Paqueta plays. He plays intelligently, knows and is willing to pass around with teammates. Especially important he can win the headers, though he's not the tallest in the team. Unfortunately he didn't score, otherwise it will boost his confidence.

- Duarte seems much more decent in the middle. He likes to link up with Paqueta. Hope he gets the chance to start up over Musacchio.
 

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Some notes:

- Defense still looks very shaky, about to give away goals under the slightest pressure, especially in the end. Just panic. Romagnoli was poor today IMO. Duarte okay in both roles, but was not really tested too much individually. He seem capable enough though.

- Theo really adds a lot to the team and today he even made a decent cross (which led to Castillejo's insane miss). He gets tons of freedom to attack though, so criticism of the defense needs to take into account that this guy is often just not there. A bit careless with the ball a couple of times too. IMO our most important player right now.

- Bennacer is a very interesting player, likes the ball, can run with it, tries to pass forward, a bit like Bakayoko in that he breaks the lines. He also takes way too many risks and needs to adjust a bit better.

- Kessié I'm absolutely frustrated with. Always the same, now on the left. Really not decisive at all. IMO should be a bench player. He's had plenty of chances.

- Paquetá better today. He made at least three excellent passes, a good shot on goal and almost scored a beauty. However he also hugs the ball too much, takes forever in some occasions. Needs to improve, but this is the one that looks like he can actually improve, and is finally doing it. No sure what the best role for him is, but both today and his good games last season were as mezzala; however this kind of midfield does not work at all IMO so far for us. We just cannot seem to control the game at all whenever Kessie is the other mezzala.

- Castillejo has more stamina than Suso and is more physical, but that is not enough at all. He is a poor man's Suso in everything else, which we already knew. I cannot remember a single time where he's made a good cross. Should not be a Milan player, simple as that. Less so one that cost 15M when Suso was already there.

- Hakan was poor, usual stuff. Can't get over how insanely good he was vs. Lecce. Once in a lifetime I guess.

- Piatek seemed better than recently outside the box, especially the first half, comfortable, sharp. Needs to score, though. He's got one goal from open play in ten games.

- It's a pity fans are obsessed with Suso and that he has these periods of poor form. The two things combined just probably make it and better if we sell and avoid the bad vibe, but it's an issue because we really need someone who creates as much. A pity because in a few touches he shows he can do a lot, either as a sub or as starter. He's a decent RW and it's still the case that he is our most consistent creator of chances, which remains more an indictment on the rest of the team than a statement of him being particularly good. Even in shitty form.

- Play Leao for ****'s sake. Right now I don't care if it's for Hakan, Suso, or Piatek, or even Paquetá: just play the guy. Ideally not as as striker IMO, but if that is somehow the only choice (which it's not), still, play him there, then.

- We were a lot better with 4-2-3-1 IMO. Very poor performance today.
 

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Maybe a bit harsh on Kessie as he did cover for Theo a lot, but still...
 

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That was really a team characterised by an incredicle degree of freedom :D



By the way, was that freekick an example or the one trick Suso possesses?
I still repeat this. Take Suso away from this team and we are free of his shackles. So he scored a goal after 18936th shit performances, so what? Which even came after he was benched! Proved the point! The one-trick pony fans creaming their pants cos a forward scored a goal after the 1000th attempt? After screwing up time and time and time and time again? God almighty! How low have we become
 

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Wow the Suso discussion really gotten low now.

Kessie plays because of his physical presence, but boy were his passing bad this game.

Aim wondered why Theo dont get passes, that one is pretty clear, this had a "dead" left flank before and always passed to our right side. Ironically now our right side been dead.

I am sorry for the performance, ill try to do better the next game.
 

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I am sorry for the performance, ill try to do better the next game.
Give yourself a break! Did you expect to be able to inspire Kessie and Co. to suddenly play Champagne Football? A win is a win, well done! :datass:
 

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Agree with van above on the performance of the players.

One fact I read during the game, is that after Musachio was subbed, Hakan was our oldest player in the field! He is 25. Not that old Biglia is any good though BUT it gives a different perspective to how we should see this team. They are bunch of young players that havent won anything and play under huge pressure at a big club.

BTW Theo seems to be the only one that plays without pressure... probably bc he has played for Atletico and Real. So this should be a big learning curve for the novice management, buy from big clubs so at least you know what you get.
 

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By the way, was that freekick an example or the one trick Suso possesses?
Dear brother tygue,

Yes. :D

P. S. Also, how selfish he was?! He should have left it to our fk specialist :stuckup:
 

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Yeah that was really 95 % Piatek, 5 % Suso.

Didn’t see anybody being run tired during the 1st hour, though.
You mean the Spal players only played 33+3 minutes as Suso did as a sub? During the rest 57+3 minutes before Suso the saviour came in, the Spal player were just sitting pretty drinking tea?

Apart from the delicious FK, which Piatek earned just in front of penalty box, how many lethal chances or passes did Suso CREATE during his 33+3 minutes' play?

As said before, Suso is one the most skilled players in this Milan, but the way he plays, the decision he makes or lacks of it and the lack of off-ball running have a killing effect on the team as a whole.

Take a look at the video in this thread here: https://tieba.baidu.com/p/6286827694, and this one:https://tieba.baidu.com/p/6299207464.

These are typical Suso style of play: slows down the counter and sucks the energy of his teammates due to his lack of defense and bad decision making. Suso+10 players<11 players.
 

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Aim wondered why Theo dont get passes, that one is pretty clear, this had a "dead" left flank before and always passed to our right side. Ironically now our right side been dead.
It's this kind of lack of vision and football intelligence of current Milan players drive me mad! They seem only know to pass the ball either to the right side (Suso/Paqueta+Castillejo) or left side (Theo) and forget totally that they can and should distribute the ball left and right in the whole game and the whole pitch is open for them to use!!!

The last time I saw Bennacer against Torin distributing the ball left and right to try to tear the opponent defense line almost made me crying. Unfortunately, he is too short and tends to use hands to grab opponent players when defense, which leads to his frequent bookings.

That's why I am asking to get Locatelli back, who has the vision to distribute the balls properly, can also add height to our middle field in front of the defense and esp. bring back the much needed fighting spirits the current Milan players lack. He seems to have lost his position due to De Zerbi's preference of Obiang and constant changes of tactics which sometimes put him even directly behind the forwards. Comparing to buy a new DM, it may be a more cost/effective solution in the winter break?
 

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You mean the Spal players only played 33+3 minutes as Suso did as a sub? During the rest 57+3 minutes before Suso the saviour came in, the Spal player were just sitting pretty drinking tea?

Apart from the delicious FK, which Piatek earned just in front of penalty box, how many lethal chances or passes did Suso CREATE during his 33+3 minutes' play?

As said before, Suso is one the most skilled players in this Milan, but the way he plays, the decision he makes or lacks of it and the lack of off-ball running have a killing effect on the team as a whole.

Take a look at the video in this thread here: https://tieba.baidu.com/p/6286827694, and this one:https://tieba.baidu.com/p/6299207464.

These are typical Suso style of play: slows down the counter and sucks the energy of his teammates due to his lack of defense and bad decision making. Suso+10 players<11 players.
So the goal was a consequence of the SPAL players being so tired they couldn’t jump, and the keeper so tired he couldn’t move?

By the way, you were the one saying he’s effective when the opponents are tired, now you say he didn’t create anything. I’m confused.
 

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So the goal was a consequence of the SPAL players being so tired they couldn’t jump, and the keeper so tired he couldn’t move?
Where do you see that I've stated this? Maybe my English is too poor to express myself clearly or you try to drive your pro-Suso point by using this kind of extreme argument?:rolleyes:

Comparing to his usual 90-minute play from start-up, Suso looked effective in the 33+3 minutes he played mostly because the Spal players had already run 57+3 minutes before his sub while he himself still had fresh legs.

Talking about his effectiveness, I mainly refer to his goa. Except of that, can we list how many lethal passes and chances he created in the 33+3 minutes he played?
 

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Where do you see that I've stated this? Maybe my English is too poor to express myself clearly or you try to drive your pro-Suso point by using this kind of extreme argument?:rolleyes:

Comparing to his usual 90-minute play from start-up, Suso looked effective in the 33+3 minutes he played mostly because the Spal players had already run 57+3 minutes before his sub while he himself still had fresh legs.

Talking about his effectiveness, I mainly refer to his goa. Except of that, can we list how many lethal passes and chances he created in the 33+3 minutes he played?
Apart from one moment of brilliance which gave us the 3 points, I haven’t argued that he created anything.

You on the other hand argue that he’s more effective as a sub while at the same time saying he didn’t create anything except for the goal (which you seem to agree wasn’t a consequence of tiredness). So how do you draw the conclusion that he’s more effective as a sub, taking advantage of the opponents having been run tired?
 
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