1st Tier Poster
I really don't see how Juve has done poorly as they have been a 2nd tier team below real superclubs during the last decade and their CL results reflect this. In fact those 2 finals are a pretty decent achievement. Starting from 12/13 only true superclubs have won it... sure, Juve, Atletico, Dortmund and Spurs have made in into the final. But it would be strange to claim that Juve should have won the trophy in any of those years as there were always better squads in the competition. They have performed adequately.With respect I think you're deflecting. I'd be interested in hearing your theories regarding lack of CL success although I don't expect you to be open and honest about how poorly Juve play on average relative to the kind of investment we've seen from them over the years (at least when we compare them to clubs like Bayern with similar resources).