Major League results week 6

This is the very thing I've been warning about for months and months!
I've thought that we as a whole i.e the admin team get no respect nor do our words seem to carry enough weight to many the veterans of the site.

Somewhere, somehow we have to get through to these people that they aren't bigger than the site, they can and will be replaced, by someone else. Nobody is irreplaceable, with the exception of Jan

Someone has to be made an example of somewhere. Amoroso is showing this type of behaviour, every decision we make is being ripped apart by Tigerheart and Psycho.

Either way we have to make a stand somewhere, yes people will not like a long time member being repremanded for acting as if they are above the rules.

I'm sorry, I've just about had enough of this crap from these sort of people. If we are not going to have rules in place and enforce them to an extent that it means EVERYONE is affected by the rules, let us have no rules and let everyone just have at each other.

The latter option would be the easiest route

I am not talking about a Forum Manager who makes a mistake once or twice, for we all make mistakes. I am talking about a Forum Manager who has no respect for Xtratime Admins and I seriously doubt what you've said about their contribution to this board is true, Orange. At best, their contribution is easily offset by their destructive behavior towards the board's harmony.

Please take a look at another quote from Amoroso! which might or might not have influenced one or more Forum Managers' attitude:

"As you see from this forum Steph, once a violator you go in the "black list". The Xtratime CIA/Gestapo/Mossad/KGB has files on you and they are monitoring you closely...

This forum is a discrace!"


Now, please tell me that calling Xtratime admin team "Gestapo", "Mossad" or "KGB" is a constructive term! As a matter of fact, if any regular member had done that, we would have seen many FMs calling for an immediate ban, and would get it! Tell me that is not true!

Instead, he got away without even a slightest warning!

If anyone of us ever wonders why some Forum Managers do not respect our decisions, look no further than this example.

Spare the rod, spoil the child!

If a member had said the same thing, and people would call for a ban, that would certainly be a disgrace. I can certainly see why you don't want to be called the gestapo...but I do not think he meant that we are the gestapo, more that he disagreed(which he is still allowed to do) with the Violations forum, and that it went too far in certain ways. I will turn it around, and say that if he had formed his words in a more proper way, he would have gotten a lot of support from many FMs, with the way he talked about it, most FMs "washed their hands".

I do not think that Xtratime is as big as some people claim it to be, and with our current size, there is no doubt that the FMs make up a great percentage of the active members, and Amo and Psycho are two of the most active, that also know most about football, and act as good FMs that control their forums in a proper way.

I will again claim, that the time when all FMs simply listen to our decisions without voicing any concerns about what they disagree on, will be a sad day for xtratime. For the best of Xtratime, it is also important, that they voice their concerns in a constructive manner, and not as seen above in the quote from AMO. With the right approach to it, and with respect going both ways, both upwards and downwards in the system, I am sure that we can get to a better place for discussion in the future.

Yes but correct me if I am wrong James, but I think what he's getting at is that if it was a newbie poster doing some of these offences, they'd already be banned.

This sort of behaviour is something that annoyed me before I was a CM, in fact before I was an FM for that matter. I don't think their behaviour then enhanced my enjoyment of xtratime. Yet at the time I didn't speak up or I'd face a "your just a rookie, you don't count" type of reaction.
I'm all in favour of compassion, but I'm more inclined to be compassionate for a new poster, someone that doesn't know or understand the rules that we have in place. A Veteran poster should know the rules back to front, to continue circumventing them is IMHO a bigger crime than a newbie poster having a "we hate Scousers" signature.
The simple fact is some of these people have no respect for other posters. Amoroso drove one of the more valuable members away from the Liverpool forum because of his continual stinging attacks.
I've since managed to talk him back into posting again, but it begs the question are some of these veteran posters beyond reproach?

I see your point, gOD, as well as Bonita's and Orange's. Unfortunately, that's where my confusion comes in because what you guys are saying is that although it is imperative for us to set up rules for Forum Managers (or members, for that matter), we must keep in mind not to use the rules rigidly since we have many different characters to deal with on this board!

If that is true, then I have another set of questions:

1. Will someone please make a list of what different characters are so I can have a reference in the future? Since I am not a psychiatrist or psychologist, I can't differentiate them very easily.

2. Does that mean we need separate rules for each of these groups of characters?

3. Are following rules and having an enjoyable experience on this board mutually exclusive?

4. One of the reasons we are trying to set up the new rules is for consistency purpose. Before we roll out these new rules, should we discuss how inconsistent we should be with these rules?

5. The compassion that I read here, should it apply to new members also, or is it more so towards veterans who have made more contribution to the success of this site? If so, what is the criteria?


My head is spinning, for I am trying to blend in two opposing logics together and make them into one. Logic and compassion often contradict with one another. When dealing a case by case situation, compassion often comes into play. But when dealing with a mass, decisions are better made with logic.