Well, they play in the first division. They are very ambitious but they won't be going into the Premier league this season.
As for players...
The goalkeeper Neil Alexander is a very promising young man. Definately good enough for the premier league.
David Bingham is a fairly good striker.
Charlie King is quite a talented midfielder.
Livingston's Angelo Massone claims he is willing to plough another £300,000 into the club, but it is unlikely to prevent the onset of administration.
Massone says he is willing to step aside as chairman in favour of a "democratic board" and has paid an outstanding electricity bill.
But West Lothian Council says it is too late to stop the legal process it began two weeks ago to recover rent arrears.
The Court of Session could appoint an administrator by the end of this week.
"The club was given a deadline of 30 June six months ago and we took the matter to court two weeks ago," said a council spokesman.
"It is now out of our hands and up to the Court of Session whether it appoints an administrator or liquidator as it deems necessary."
The council is owed more than £280,000 owed for the hire of Almondvale Stadium, but Massone, who leads the Italian-based consortium that took control of the club last summer, has continually insisted that he could negotiate a compromise.
Angelo Massone is also willing to step down as chairman - if this is indeed the best way forward for the club - and move aside for a democratic board to take his place and a statement on the club's official website said on Wednesday: "We are continuing tirelessly to do everything we possibly can to save the club.
"A decision was made by the chairman, Angelo Massone, to engage the services of a professional, very well-respected top UK firm of advisors, who have previous experience with senior football clubs, to act on behalf of Livingston FC.
"They have been asked to pay particular attention to communications with West Lothian Council and to all creditors of the club.
"Acting as a third party, they will discuss payment plan proposals with West Lothian Council to cover all outstanding debts owed by Livingston Football Club."
However, the council insists that, as yet, no contact has been made by the club or their representatives.
Massone had held discussions with former Dumbarton owner Neil Rankine and former Cowdenbeath chairman Gordon McDougall about possible investments in the club, but the club statement stressed that no other parties have come forward with an alternative proposal.
"Angelo Massone is willing to invest another £300,000," said the club statement, which again appealed to fans to come to the club's aid.
"He is also willing to step down as chairman - if this is indeed the best way forward for the club - and move aside for a democratic board to take his place.
David Hay was unavailable for comment on reports he had resigned
"In order to move forward in a positive way, we need your support, and we need it now. We require funds on the table. We need West Lothian Council to accept our payment plan proposals.
"To assist with our internal cash flow, we urge you, the supporters, to come forward and show your desire, need and your right as a member of the community, to have senior football in West Lothian.
"We are doing all we can to save the club. In return, we need you to make your commitment to save the club.
"We urge you to buy your season tickets immediately and to make a donation to the club if you can."
Saturday's pre-season friendly against Falkirk had to be played behind closed doors because the club was denied a safety certificate from West Lothian Police, but the club was hopeful of avoiding a similar problem for Monday's visit by Plymouth Argyle.
"The club reached an agreement with Scottish Power today with regards to outstanding monies, resulting in the company agreeing to reconnect the mains supply at Almondvale Stadium within 24 hours of promised funds being received from Livingston FC," said a statement.
"These funds will be transferred immediately, with the expectation that the process to reconnect the supply will begin tomorrow morning at the latest.
"As a result, it is hoped that West Lothian Council will issue a safety certificate for Almondvale Stadium by Friday so that Monday night's game can go ahead.
"In the event of the safety certificate not being issued on time, the club have begun taking steps to make sure the game will go ahead at an alternative venue in West Lothian."
Meanwhile, former manager David Hay was unavailable for comment following reports that he had resigned as an advisor to head coach John Murphy.
Someone needs to put this football club out of it's misery, and preferably before the season starts, making the SFL look even more shambolic than it already is.
They are playing Plymouth in a friendly, but because Almondvale has been refused a safety certificate they are charging fans £16(!) for a pre-season friendly at a Juniors ground in Bathgate. An absolutely disgrace. Massone is just the latest in a steady stream of incompetent arses at the helm of that club, and yet the fans have lapped it up each and every time.
You can't be too hard on the fans after what they've had too put up with. It's one thing suggesting that fans make their feelings known by boycotting matches, merchandise, etc BUT if they did they'd attract the ire of many others as being disloyal, part-time, etc.:angel:
The fans CAN accept the blame because for a start they've never even attempted to challenge the idiots coming in claiming that Livingston are going to be the third force in Scottish football, which is then followed by administration and the club in dire straights once again. It's like that test they do on animals, where the switch on the left gives them food, and the one on the right gives them a short electric shock. Rats & birds come to recognise the pattern and stop hitting the right switch.
Livi fans would seem to be dumber than rats & birds...
Really, I feel sorry for the fans but they've really been far too late in recognising what a fraudster Massone was (or Flynn, or Pearse...), blinkered by his sweet talking and promise of glory. If the choice is between extinction (a real possibility) & being a third division club, I pick the latter. Livi fans still harp on about their European run, and the SPL & so forth: they aren't much better than Gretna really, they just had more than one mad egomaniac willing to take the reigns.
Ideally the fans should all get behind the supporters trust and try to organise a buy-out of Massone's shares so they can actually Livingston Football Club sustainable for the first time ever, but they can't even agree on that, too busy either getting sweet-talked by Massone AGAIN, or squabbling among each other over utter irrelevancies. They only turned on Angelo within the last 6 weeks. They left it far too long, though it was the turning off of the electricity that was the real wake-up call for some of them. They should have had a supports trust setup ages ago considering the shambolic way the club has been run since day one, but they've been happy to go a long for the ride. Much like Gretna fans.
They have had plenty of chances, the club is on it's last legs, and the only person who looks even remotely likely of buying it, Neil Rankine (who was in charge of Dumbarton with the sole interest of selling their stadium for development...) has seemingly lost interest now. It's just looking embarassing for the Scottish game.
Honestly, the way that the SFL has just let Livi continue roughshod, it's utterly appalling. Clyde had to release their entire squad and replace them with the cheapest part-time journeymen they could find. And all Livi are going to get is dropped a handful of points? They should at least have been kicked down to Division Three. What sort of message is this sending to clubs like Dundee who are spending outwith their means? Utterly, utterly stupid. It's the creditors (excluding Massone) I feel sorry for, they are going to get robbed once again. We've only had one week of the season and Livi have already not paid out their wages, it's just an appalling precedent. The SFL once again show that they have absolutely no spine and will continue to allow poorly run football clubs to be run in the most short-sighted & stupid way.
This is going to hurt the credit ratings of all other SFL sides as well, lets not forget that.
Livingston demoted to the Third Division by the SFL. So Airdire United and Cowdenbeath jump up to the first and second respectively. Seemingly,the blazers at the SFL think this gives them the best chance to survive as an SFL club. We'll see....
Aye. The farce continues. We are waiting for a Livi press conference this afternoon, will be able to see just if they have managed to survive, or if they are being liquidated.
On the plus side, the SFL has confirmed that provisionally all tomorrows games are on, which means Ross County vs Airdre United, Cowdenbeath vs Arbroath & Lavvy travel to East Stirlingshire.
Of course, the latter depends on whether or not Livi get liquidated or not.
Feel sorry for Airdre & Cowden fans, they are in for an awfully long season, what with budgets already set at a significantly lower level than all other clubs in their league, they are both favourites for relegation now.
The good news for Lavvy is that this has to be seen as a great opportunity to restructure and rebuild the team in a way that is actually sustainable. Drop all the guys on big contracts, and focus on their youths and fill the rest of the squad up with part-time players. Spend 3 or 4 years down in the Third Division while they pay off all their accumulated debts and then look at establishing themselves in either the First or Second Division as a part-time club. Which is a direction many more First Division clubs should be going if they don't want to follow the example of West Lothian's biggest club.
Livingston's game against Esat Stirlingshire in the Third Division has been postponed after Livi refused to play. Their argument is that no games should be played while they are appealing the SFL's decision to demote them. The saga continues....
Well, we've got the season coming to an end and it seems like time for an update. They finally accepted they'd have to play in the Third Division, and have now settled in and should win the league this afternoon, assuming they manage to beat Berwick Rangers at Almondvale.
Fair play to them, they've battled on, but it isn't a shock they will win the league as they have players like Jim Hamilton & Robbie Winters who are used to playing at a much higher level (Hamilton was in the SPL last year!). I'm not even sure they'll find the Second Division too difficult next year as it's not a great league. Time will tell, lets just hope that McDougall, Rankine & co have learnt the hard lesson of the past and don't stretch the finances too far this time.
Didn't find a specific thread to talk about Celtic so I'll just start one. Feel free to merge it of course. How are the Dutch guys doing? From what I gather, Braafheid didn't play that much and Hooiveld neither.
All Rangers chat in here! :thumbsup:
Really looking forward to the new season. We've managed to keep the bulk of our championship winning side and have managed to add some real quality.
Celtic have all sorts of problems. Lennon looks completely out his depth at this level. Ross County, Braga...
A new team will enter the Eircom League in the 2nd division in place of defunct Kilkenny City. They'll be playing less than 20 mins from where I live. Hope to see a few games. Hope they can develop properly with the right support as the Fingal region is the quickest grown area of Ireland, and...