Lineker said in an interview with the argentinian newspaper Ole, that everybody in England thinks Maradona was better than Pele. Is this true? How does england view this Pele x Maradona thing?
Yeah, Culed posted that in the future players forum. I disagree, strongly. The Cheat was one of a kind no doubt but for me Pele was on another level. I can see him not getting respect because he didn't play in europe and it seems so long ago now, but those aren't very good reasons.brasileiro said:Lineker said in an interview with the argentinian newspaper Ole, that everybody in England thinks Maradona was better than Pele. Is this true? How does england view this Pele x Maradona thing?
That what I thought. Because my father, he is 55 years old, used to travel a lot to England in th 80's and 90's on vacation. And he said to me that most people prefered Pele. That when he said he was brazilian, people would say: "Brasil of Pele, the greatest ever" and stuff like that.Gordy said:Not seeing either of them in there day i always grew up being told that Pele was the better player i dont even remember him being compared to Maradona.
Thanks. Honored to hear that from the guys who invented football. :thumbsup:Jern Lizardhous said:Brazilian football is definitely admired the most, how could it not be?
not just for the players, but the fans and all the colour they bring.
whenever there is a world cup we get the BBC doing these montages with samba and stuff for minutes on end, we certainly don't get this for the Argies, Italians and Germans.
the "hand of god" makes people bitter and can't blame them for that. But from the grainy footage you think it outdoes Maradona then clearly you haven't seen Maradona. Combine Ronaldinho with Zidane, and spice it up with Ronaldo (in their prime) then you get something close to Maradona. Was the Pele that you saw that good?arfy05 said:pele even from the grainy footage i saw outdoes maradona.
Excellent points and I have to say, i'm in agreement.zico said:I look at it this way. There was absolutely nothing Pele could do on soccer pitch that Maradona couldn't. On his part Maradona managed to do something that nobody have done before him or after (and that's including Pele), singlehandedly taking third rate teams like Argentina in 86 and Napoli in mid/late-80s to the ultimate glory.
Pele is a legend, smart investor, and 3 times world champion. That's a fact and for that he stands untouchable. But all 3 times he was crowned that Brazil team would've won it with Pele or without regardless. Argentina should've never qualifyied for the 86 WC. They were so poor back then. And they were even worse in 1990, but made it to the final where got beaten by a very controversial PK in 85 min. In '94 in the two games that Maradona played Argentina clearly looked to me easily the best team that were going to win the cup. Then FiFa decided anybody who takes ephedrine can play like Maradona and kicked him out.
If you judge players on their drug addiction and dependability, then yes, Maradona will be bottom of the list. But if the criteria is their abilities and achievments on the soccer field then Maradona edges everybody, even Pele and perhaps even Cruijff.
zico said:Pele is a legend, smart investor, and 3 times world champion. That's a fact and for that he stands untouchable. But all 3 times he was crowned that Brazil team would've won it with Pele or without regardless.
That's your view on things, Brasileiro, and although there's lotsa truth to it I do not entirely agree.brasileiro said:Sorry, but you are wrong.
Brasil was not playing well in the 58 wc, untill Pele and Garrincha entered the team. They became the missing link to win the title. And Pele was our best player . He had 3 goals in the semis against France and scored 2 in the finals against Sweden.
In 62, you are right.
In 70, you are also wrong. Pele was our best player. He was there to save us in the most important moments. Like in the game against England, where he gave an incredible assist to Jairzinho. He was our main playmaker and he was the leader in assists and still scored 4 goals. We did not have a player that could replace Pele in our bench.
And you all should remember that before Pele, Brasil was only the third best football nation of South America. We only started winning with Pele.
Also , don't forget that after Pele retired, we spent 24 years without winning a WC, we did not even reach the final in that period.
:horny:Freddy Adu said:As for Brazilian football, we generally admire it a lot, if not for the passion and skill, we love the fit ladies
Sorry, but that's 100 % wrong. Pele not ready for "total football"? :howler: .zico said:And the reason they didn't win the WC after he left was down to many factors and had absolutely nothing to do with Pele. In fact the reason Pele retired was when he saw the changes in world football, and as a shrewed tactitian that he was he realised that Brazil had no chance against the likes of Holland, Germany and Poland and retired from NT not to hinder his reputation. Brazil was not ready to compete with "total" football yet.
Pele was the best among the best. When Maradona had the 78 wc team with him in 82, with the likes of Kempes, Passarela, Ardiles and Fillol, he could not do anything and had a pathetic wc.zico said:Compare those brazilian greats with the likes of Cusiuffo, Brown, Pumpido, Olarticoechea, Valdano... does that ring the bell? Yes, those were the midgets that Maradona made world champions. Now lets go and have lough together. :howler: