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From this moment on, everything our President has to say, I will no longer believe it, and take it as ****ing bullsh*t!!
That man has lied to us, and so on, just neglected the promises he made!!

I am so ****ing pissed at him now, for what he has done!!
Is he that stupid??????


For instance, after we won Lo Scudetto, he said that he would just make some MINOR changes to the team, but if you look at what he has done now!
Almeyda, Conceicao gone, El Matador who may leave (just after one bad season).
A 'useless' buy like Peruzzi,(while Luca is still good and is benched now), and way too much payed for him aswell, and while we have got youngster Carini aswell now, who could have learned from good old Luca, and the plans he had with Baronio.

Why change a winning team like this?????????

And also, I think Crespo isnt needed if you look at what we already have:
Claudio, we just needed him upfront, dont you agree?
He can score, he can make great assist to Salas or Inzaghino, and in this way, he can let Salas become the player he was, before Cragnotti decided to dump him, and make Inzaghino better, dont you agree?
I dont mind having Crespo in the team, no way, but he aint worth as much as Parma gets, thats just f*cked up!!


Cragnotti spends money like its water, and if some of you decide to buy a jersey this season, with a players name and nuber on it, DONT DO IT! its useless next year!!


And another LIE!:

http://laziomania.socceralliance.com/cgi-bin/news/viewnews.cgi?newsid962892183,4390,

Ok, this was from Massimo's mouth, but still....

And maybe, I aint objective now, cause Conceicao is my fav player, but still, how do you think Conceicao must feel right now? well, if I was him, I would feel betrayed!!
And yes, more money will leave Rome for a replacement on the rightwing, probably Zenden, but tell me this now: Why not let Stankovic become first choice on the right!
Oh no, sorry, maybe Cragnotti has plans to sell him aswell!!


I know, and hope some of you will disagree with me about my view, but please, dont any of you give me crappy replies, like: this is what soccer is today, cause take a look at how Juve manages, they spend their money wisely, they spend money where it needs to be spended!
All we do, is throw money away!! and that also includes players!!

Where is the Lazio I fell in love with?
 
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Calm down

Players come ang leave, that is football. The jersey is still the same and we support the jersey not the indivuduals.
And please don´t throw sh*t at Cragnotti, not after everything he has done for Lazio. Think twice before you post a messege like this, it only makes you look bad...

Cragnotti is a big part of Lazio, bigger then Conceicao. Show some respect to the president

FORZA CRAGNOTTI
FORZA LAZIO

P.S. The main reaseon Conceicao was sold was that Cragnotti wanted to be the only "Sergio C." in Lazio. They had troubles with Cragnottis post ending up in Conceicaos box. :)
 

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Stankovic - we had this argument about him too, didn't helped a sh**... I think he would do great in starting 11, but nobody cares about my opinion. Conceicao is very dangerous player, so Nedved will have a lot's of problems defending him, and so will Mihajlovic. Hope can be the best player on the pitch, but as it seems, Cragnotti has lost his mind.

WE WERE BETRAYED !!!!

Almeyda
Conceicao
13 million Dollars

Who the F*** would pay so much money for one ST ?! Yes i am happy to see him here but NO WAY, Parma cheated on you Cra !
Hope the same mistake as this never happens again to our beloved lazio. Lazio should be a team, we can't change the team all the time, cause they must get used to each other to play well...

Anywho agrees ? :p
 

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Emir, please, dont you think that what Cragnotti did, was just way too stupid!?

I dont care if it makes me look bad, I am angry and sad now...


I still have respect for him, but MUCH MUCH less than before!!!

If this doesnt bother you..ok, but it bothers me!!!
 

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Michel and you others that are against Cragnotti's transfer mentality, please show some respect for Sergio Cragnotti !
He has brought this club to the highest levels (and I mean the really highest in both Italy and Europe).

How many times don't you have thought that Cragnotti is doing a stupid thing ? but then you have seen that Cragnotti was right !
During his years' as president, he has probably only failed once, he payed Barcelona a lot of money for De La Pena who did not turn out to be what he should. But for the rest, Cragnotti has always been right !
Even when he sold Signori and Vieri from Lazio !!! Something that to me looked like suicide...

Milan won the league 98/99 but for the season 99/00 they stayed with about the same team that won lo scudetto ! BIG mistake !! ok, they ended on third place but were never that dangerous !
A team can't be kept as the one who just has won something, a team has to change some players ALWAYS !
This to find new motivations, new way of playing and new skills thanks to the new players. If you keep the same team, the opponents will know how to beat you because they learned from the season before.

Please try to remember this, a team has to change if you want to always be on top !!

FORZALAZIO !!
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Players come and go! And everybody better get used to it!
I went through the same thing when Signori and Fuser and Venturin and Karl-Heinz Riedle left. Forza Lazio. Nobody is betrayed!! By the way where all this millions come from???
The exchange rate is 1$=2035 It Lir. So, make some calculations.
And..., almost forgot, Mattias, thanks to you and all your associates(if you have any) for the great job you are doing!!!!!!!
 

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So not true Mattias!!

Take for example a look at ManU!!
Then you will know that this doesnt go for every team!


I have respect for Cragnotti, of course, I am Laziale, that speaks for itselves, but please, dont you think that this deal is just stupid!

But didnt you disagree with what he wanted, like Baronio to Inter, and this, and the things he just neglected and lied about!?

Ok, if Crespo will score alot this season, you will probably say that you are right, that Cragnotti made the right decision, but still, I doubt that!
To give away 2 great players, and money with that, just for one strikes, aint that unbelievable dumb and unreasonable?
Please, dont think for one second, that this deal is fair!
Cragnotti screwed himself, and with that, the team, is that so hard to see for you?
He could have paid more money, and could have kept Conceicao, but now, he needs to spend more money for Zenden!!
And dont think for one second that I am unhappy with Crespo, cause I am happy with him, but not the deal itself!
But of every player on the pitch, the best thing that can be replaced, is a striker, not a midfielder, defender or a goalie!

Cant you and Emir just say that Cragnotti did this totally the wrong way?
Everybody, except the 2 of you, seem to think this deal is good, why?
 
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yeah i agree with u michel...if a club so many great players is not good....see inter?wow they have a lotttttttttttt of great player..but if we see this season..they dont have anything just throw the money...i really upset when i read that conceicao is sold i think i understand if conceicao mad bcause like michel said its true that cragnotti betrayed he..and almeyda too!cragnotti tell that almeydais not for sold but what we see is almeyda go to parma!it is very insane i love lazio but the way if like this i not really like...and maybe crespo last season good..but if this season he isn't...i think we have a wrong descicion again....
 

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Man Utd... that's the PL !
It can't even be compared to Serie A !

I will never say that this deal is bad, because LAZIO needed a striker. Parma needed midfielders, they got two great ones. Everyone should be happy ! I am and I know AMOROSO! is too :)
And things are not as easy as "I pay you some more money, instead of giving you Conceicao". Parma is not in need of cash ($$$ - they said so themselves), that's why they wanted players in exchange.


One thing that you should remember is that Lazio is not the only team in the world. Which means that Lazio can't just go to any club and say "I want your best striker" or maybe the best defender, by paying money. The other clubs want something back so they becomes more competitive too, they want to be able to beat Lazio when they play against each other. They can't just sit there with a bad team and a lot of cash looking at Lazio with all the stars from the best clubs in the world. The world of football (at least Serie A) is not working like this.
You want something ? Then you have to give me something away(even if it is something that you really care about) !

If Crespo scores as he has done at Parma, I will be extremely happy about this deal. EVEN IF Conceicao and Almeyda will be voted as best midfielders ever in the world. Because we got what we wanted, Parma got what they wanted. You can't expect every deal to be as good as the Vieri deal (= Vieri injured the whole season. We got Simeone who score many goals and played great on the midfield + we got sooo much money.)

Super Lazio, You think that we have taken the wrong decision again. Please explain that "again". !?

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Maybe Cragnotti just don't know what he got till he loose it!
I'm very sad and wanna cry.The way Almeyda and Conceicao leave are very tragic:(.Lazio should've respected them.Like i said,i can always let THEM go,but not this way.I wanna b mad but useless no body cares anyway,now i don't dare to go to parma forum coz i thought that it was only cheap roumor.
can anybody tell me that zenden can replace Conceicao??if Cragnoti care about us,then he must buy Figo(or other right winger)not again and again make a weird deal buying zenden:confused:
 

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Mattias, Lazio needed a striker...does the name Claudio Lopez ring a bell???????

Of course Parma and Amoroso are happy, why the hell shouldnt they be!
Look at what they got!!!??
They got much more then they wanted!!
Why not look at this rationally now, and see how we got screwed here!!??

Parma is not in need of cash, of course not, when you can get Almeyda and Conceicao.
We didnt need a striker when we have Lopez already, and now, we need a replacement for Conceicao!!!

I dont understand how you can think of this deal so calmly...you think Cragnotti made the right decision?

And about ManU, who cares if its PL.
Why change a winning team that much, can you explain that?
Take a look at Juve! They hardly change their team, and still manage! To become a great team, you dont need to change players, thats bull****! You need to work on the team with the players that you have got, chance strategy once in a while, but you cant change it that fast, it takes time, and if you keep changing the team that often, that time isnt there!
 
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I have to say that i share a lot of Michael thoughts on this topic!!!

Especielly the thought about the lies... I cant stand this thing in soccer when you say one thing and doing another just after your have give you word about something!!!
Should this be working in thew normal life... Tell someone something and then just change you mind and dont bother about it... I will say no way!!! And it's not working for soccer either... Everbody gets twisted and turned in all and every way!

Bottom line: If you say something, then keep your word about it!!!
 
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Michel again, you are totaly wrong
It is meaningless to have this discussion, let´s wait for the outcome of the next season

You need to realize that Crespo is worldclass, and worth Almeyda+Conceicao+money. I am happy with this deal. Baronio and Simoene can take Almeydas place.
Stankovic, Nedved and even Zenden can play on the right wing
And now we have a gifter attack

FORZA LAZIO

P.S. Michel, C Lopez is "segunda punta", not a real striker. We need somebody to put the ball behind the keeper week after week, the thing Salas failed to do last year...
 

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Crespo is not Worldclass, he can be great but he can also be totally Sh!t.

This was really a stupid deal by Cragnotti.
I can understand Michel, I was and still are mad because of the way Beppe was sold.
 

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Michel,
no, the name Claudio Lopez doesn't ring a bell for me !
We needed one more striker, not a forward (Claudio Lopez is a forward).

So I am very happy that Cragnotti bought a STRIKER, because that's what we really neeeded !

And as I wrote in another topic, do you guys already know how things are going to be after this season? Do you know that Crespo is going to fail at Lazio while Conceicao and Almeyda are going to be the best players in the world !?
I think that people here at the forum were at least so unhappy when Vieri left...who was right? Cragnotti !

And when he sold Signori...who was right? Cragnotti of course !

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Emir, I am totally wrong about what again???
Or is it meaningless to answer?

And no way I can realise that Crespo, or any other player is worth that much!!!!!I cant believe you guys can think this way!!!

Crespo is good, I agree, and once again, I am happy with him.......but he isnt worldclass, tell me then, who do you else think is worldclass in your opinion?

And a question, who do you think is better, Crespo or Vieri??


You also said, we need someone to put the balls behind the keeper, like I said, read my first lines of text!!
Salas would be back in form with Lopez next to him!
 
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Yes Michel Salas would be back in form...sure!!!
Let´s forget Crespo and take a chance with Salas, he might start to score like Crespo.
And why did we bought Claudio, maybe Pinzi would be great if he got a chance...and that Baronio, Sensini would be the best player in serie A if he gets a chance

let´s stop buying great players, because we think that our own players have a chance in becoming great. Why not, the only thing we can loose is scudetto...

FORZA LAZIO
 

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Well I take side with Mattias and Emir :)
I too thought that the deal was bad and even posted a topic on what was wrong with the transfer market but the more and more i think about it the more I like it!

All of Cragnottis buys have been excellent except for De La Pena. Cragnotti brought us up from nobodies and has done great with us so he at least deserves respect :) Also I think selling Vieri was maybe the best thing our club has done, other than buying bepe :) of course!! With that money we bought the great Veron (the backbone of the team and worth in excess of $60mil) and also had enough money to buy Sensini and Inzaghi

Also I think you are missunderstanding i dont know if its Mattias or Emir but he never said that Lopez is not world class, he said that he is not a goal scoring machine, hes a segunda punta, he sets up goals nopt score them as he said at his press conference!! He will score maybe 10 but don't expect too much in goals from him!! Crespo - Veron - Lopez were made for eachother!! They are like Van Basten - Gullit - Rijkard!! These guys will be unstoppable!! Keeping Conceicao would have been great but also look at the price that Zenden is coming for, BARGAIN!! The other thing is that Stankovic might finally get his chance at right mid. As much as i love Salas and want him to stay, I can't see him fitting in with Lopez, Crespo or Inzaghi is the right partner for him!! Salas plays good with big strikers like bobo, Ravanelli, Boksic, Palermo!! I think that Crag deserves some trust as many times we have doubted him but jhe turns out right. Maybe this is for his shares as well, who knows!!

About everything being lies, I also dissagree. Eriksson was the one that had told Crag that Conceicao was not for sale but in order to get Crespo Crag convinced Eriksson to let him give Conceicao as part exchange so i cant see a lie there. About the whole team leaving, the ones leaving are only Almeyda, Conceicao, Salas, Boksic!! Boksic for start wasnt the best player and had a falling out so thats why he left. He wouldnt even come to training at the end etc.. Almeyda wanted to leave because of a dispute with Eriksson, he didnt like the rotation system, so thats why he left!! Salas was part of the crespo deal, either as a trade or for money to pay the deal off and conceicao is swap tpo get the player!!

So all in all We have bought Crespo, Lopez, Peruzzi, Baronio, Carini, Colonesse, Zenden and only traded Salas + Conceicao to get the true striker we need!! So also there he didnt intend to lie!! Also when you say a player is not for sale that raises their price so can u blame him? He's just trying to get more money!!

All in good voice, this is just my opinion :)

FORZALAZIO!
 
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