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Who wil win the 2005 Libertadores Cup?

  • [b]Santo Andre[/b] will win, and the world will come to an end!

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The 2005 Libertadores cup will be quite different from the previous editions of the tournament. There’s a new ‘preliminary’ stage, when 12 clubs will fight for six spots in the 2nd stage, where they’ll join the 26 pre-qualified clubs. That gives us a total of 38 teams in the race, the highest number in Libertadores history.

Another difference will be seen in the knockout stage. Until last year, the amount of goals scored when playing away from home didn’t matter. Now the rules benefit the team that scores more goals away, as we usually see in the Brazilian Cup (and also in the Champions League). ;) In the group of 16 the pairings will no longer be “pre-determined” to pair up teams from the same nations, as before; now the team with the best campaign will be matched against the team with the worst campaign (1st X 16th), the 2nd against the 15th and so on. And one more significant change affects the final match: for the first time the trophy may be decided in extra time. If there’s a tie on both games, the decision will be extended for an extra 30 minutes (as already happens in the World Cup, Euro Cup and Champions League). That change seeks to avoid the excess of penalty-kick decisions – the Libertadores was decided on penalties in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2004.

Shifting our attention from the regulations to the actual competitors… the Argentinean clubs are among the favorites, as always. There’s Boca Juniors with Palermo and Delgado upfront, River Plate offers Gallardo and Salas, San Lorenzo has Demichelis and Romagnoli – and last but maybe not least, Banfield will be there with striker Gabriel Amato (who played briefly for Gremio). From Colombia we’ll see the current champions Once Caldas with Rojas and Vanegas in defense, not to mention America de Cali, Independiente Medellin (semifinalists in 2003) and Atletico Junior. And we will also see other familiar shirts, like Uruguay’s Nacional, Chile’s Colo Colo and Paraguay’s Cerro Porteno. And we must not forget the Mexicans, who will be joining the Libertadores – Tigres (with Claudio Husain) and Pachuca (with Ivan Hurtado and Borgetti) must be respected, and not only because they’re guests. ;) :D

There are five teams from Brazil – São Paulo, Santos, Atletico-PR, Palmeiras (who still needs to go through the preliminary round before joining the others) and Santo Andre (but I don’t believe they’ll go very far). Santos, runner-up in the 2003 Libertadores and current Brazilian Champion, is one of the main favorites for the trophy. Losing Elano at this point is a hard blow, but their squad is undeniably strong – and at least Robinho is is still there, even if only for the first semester. :sigh: São Paulo, that made the semifinals in the 2004 Libertadores, mantained the squad that finished 3rd in last year’s Brazilian League and reinforced the group with Luisão (2002 WC winner), Mineiro and futsal superstar Falcão... so coach Emerson Leão has an extremely competitive squad to work with. Palmeiras – the Brazilian team with the biggest number of participations in the Libertadores – will try to repeat the good campaigns of 1999, 2000 and 2001, when they were champions, runner-ups and semifinalists, respectively. And Atletico Paranaense has the return of Dagoberto and their good retrospect when playing in the Arena da Baixada in their favor, but they lost too many players from the team that was 2nd placed in last year’s Brasilian League… and that inevitably will have negative effects.

And we must remember that there’s an added bonus for the winner of this year’s Libertadores… whoever wins also gets a spot in the 2nd World Club Championship. :happy: :drool:

(text based in information found in Placar's 2005 Guide)
 

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Man I wish I could have Eurosport back. I watched it a couple of years ago and they had a great coverage of the Libertadores. :cool:
 

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Man I wish I could have Eurosport back. I watched it a couple of years ago and they had a great coverage of the Libertadores. :cool:
:thumbsup:

I particularly enjoyed the Boca vs Santos final, fantastic 2 games. Made better by Boca winning, I'm very fond of them.

:lazy: ;) :lazy:
:lazy: ;) :lazy:

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São Paulo win will this fu(king year!! Last year we had a sucky squad and look how far we got!!!!!! I'm going to see my Tricolor at Morumbi!!!!!!!!

you see, Santos is good but i hope they dont make too far, i mean Oswaldo de Oliveira is their coach :howler:
Atletico Paranaense is not the same
Palmeiras have trouble inside their own squad, the guys fight all the time
Santo André :wallbang:
Boca dont have Teves

O Morumbi vai bombar e o Tricolor vai detonar!!!!!!!
 

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numerodix said:
Man I wish I could have Eurosport back. I watched it a couple of years ago and they had a great coverage of the Libertadores. :cool:
do really eurosport show Libertadores... I have seen Boca Santos final but then I havent mentioned if the broadcast is contunueing...
 

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I think Santos will win it. :thmbup:
 

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I'm going for Santos. They have Ittihad player Tcheco on loan :cool: .
 

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This year's Libertadores is going to be extremely tough...(as always...)

I really, really hope SPFC can have its 3rd Libertadores Win...
That is every Sao-Paulino's wish....

But I really, really think Santos will be the biggest threat of all the teams playing....
Not only in Libertadores, but also in Brasileirao, Paulistao and every tournament....

Thanks
 

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id like to think atletico-pr would win it but i really doubt it with the way theyve dismantled their team..
i voted on santos, not sure if theyll win it but im pretty sure they will go the farthest of the brasilian teams...
surprised nobody voted for santo andre, afterall they r the team that kept my mengao out... n eh pra qualker um n hahahahaha

falou
 

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:D

I voted for São Paulo because on the knockout stages, a reliable defense is an absolutely key factor – and Santos' defense just doesn't seem that solid so far, just as it wasn't solid in last year's league. :undecide:

I think Santos' big advantage is their attack, with Robinho escorted by talented guys like Ricardinho, Tcheco and Deivid. But the defense hasn't improved significantly (with the exception of Henao) and the midfield will inevitably be less competitive without Elano.

And 'competitive' is a term that applies perfectly to Leão's São Paulo. They have an interesting backline led by Rogerio Ceni (but that, admittedly, may suffer from losing centreback Rodrigo to Kiev). SP's midfield also has the dependable (and underrated) ballwinner Mineiro covering the defense, a very good reinforcement. And while they don't have a Robinho upfront, they do have good attacking alternatives: Cicinho, Falcão, Grafite, Luisão, Diego Tardelli. And they have another advantage over Santos, a coach who knows his squad inside-out. ;)

IMO Santos has better chances of winning the Paulista than the Libertadores, because the league format usually benefits attacking sides. But unless they improve their defense, I don't see them going the distance in the Libertadores.

But of course – I would have no problem with being proven wrong by Santos. I just hope a Brazilian team wins this year's Libertadores. :cool: :)
 

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i think the diff between the sp n santos is that i really dont see sp havin a reliable offensive weapon, i saw them with a much better chance last year with luis fabiano (i really cheered for them those 2 games against once caldas), i dont have much faith in any of their attackers altho i really hope falcao will be a sucess... altho sp really does have a better defense, i think the santos attack is much stronger (deivid, robinho, ricardinho, tcheco, basilio...)...
but good luck to them both...
btw where de andre luis end up?

falou
 
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