[Ze da Fiel]

Were do you place it lads.....



Let's start:thumbsup::drunk:

 

[Morierinho]

Right above Rivaldo.

 

[Zico 10]

He rates somewhere in that chunky middle part somewhere.

 

[Moe]

This is the thread where i say he's nothing and someone starts reciting his medals from wikipedia

 

[Zico 10]

Honours

Club

São Paulo
Torneio Rio-São Paulo: 2001
Supercampeonato Paulista: 2002
Copa São Paulo de Juniores: 2000

Milan
Serie A: 2003–04
Supercoppa Italiana: 2004
UEFA Champions League: 2006–07
UEFA Super Cup: 2003, 2007
FIFA Club World Cup: 2007

Real Madrid
Copa del Rey: 2010–11
Country
FIFA World Cup: 2002
FIFA Confederations Cup: 2005, 2009
Individual
Revista Placar Bola de Ouro: 2002
Campeonato Brasileiro Bola de Prata (best player by position): 2002
CONCACAF Gold Cup Best XI: 2003
Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year: 2004, 2006, 2007
Serie A Footballer of the Year: 2004, 2007
UEFA Champions League Bronze Top scorer: 2005–06
UEFA Champions League Best Midfielder: 2005
UEFA Team of the Year: 2006, 2007,2009
FIFPro World XI: 2006, 2007, 2008
Pallone d'Argento: 2006–07
UEFA Champions League Top Scorer: 2006–07
UEFA Champions League Best Forward: 2006–07
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2006–07
FIFPro World Player of the Year: 2007
Ballon d'Or: 2007
FIFA Club World Cup Golden Ball: 2007
Toyota Award: 2007
FIFA World Player of the Year: 2007
Onze d'Or: 2007
World Soccer Player of the Year: 2007
IFFHS World‘s Best Playmaker: 2007
IAAF Latin Sportsman of the Year: 2007
Time 100: 2008, 2009
Maracanã Hall Of Fame: 2008
Samba d'Or: 2008
FIFA Team of the Year: 2008
FIFA Confederations Cup Golden Ball: 2009
FIFA Confederations Cup Best XI: 2009
Marca Leyenda: 2009
FIFA World Cup Top Assister : 2010
Real Madrid vs Real Sociedad Man-of-the-Match

:happy:

 

[HOMESMOINA!]

Zico the highlighted parts are :howler:.

As for Kaka definitely one of the best players of his time but nothing more than that.

 

[Dearman]

Kaka's rating :

Dearman 31st Attacking Midfielder Of All-Time
Dearman 21st Brazilian Footballer Of All-Time
Dearman 43rd South American Footballer Of All-Time
Dearman Top 40 Italian Series A Footballer Of All-Time
Dearman Top 200 Greatest Footballer Of All-Time (Perhaps 200th)

 

[Zico 10]

We should start placing the Dearman lists into Wikipedia articles (semi srs). They'll probably be anal and remove them though.

 

[cam]

Yeah, no way Kaka is one of the 200 best players ever Dearman.

He's a solid player on his day but it's not his day nearly often enough.

 

[Ze da Fiel]

Kaka's rating :

Dearman 31st Attacking Midfielder Of All-Time
Dearman 21st Brazilian Footballer Of All-Time
Dearman 43rd South American Footballer Of All-Time
Dearman Top 50 Italian Series A Footballer Of All-Time
Dearman Top 200 Greatest Footballer Of All-Time (Perhaps 200th)

Dearman

Loved the label on the rankings:thumbsup::smileani:

Btw, can you do me a favor... can you put him MUCH LOWER in the brazilian rankings... we have a tradition to live up to:smileani:roud::howler:



Btw guys

Kaka is some lucky dude.... did well in Milan but apart from that not much elsewhere.

In Sao Paulo he was kicked out by the fans.... ok he played good here and their but always choked

In Real Madrid he has done virtually nothing in 3 years and I doubt he will ever fit in with so many options that Mourinho has.

For Brazil he was good in two confedrations cup.

Then in 2 world cups , one he choked badly and the other he was carrying an injury.

2014 needs to be his year of glory of his final fate in football history.

do you guys agree?

 

[Moe]

any other era of brazilian football this kaka wouldnt make the roster

 

[sorcerer]

Kaka's rating :

Dearman 31st Attacking Midfielder Of All-Time
Dearman 21st Brazilian Footballer Of All-Time
Dearman 43rd South American Footballer Of All-Time
Dearman Top 50 Italian Series A Footballer Of All-Time
Dearman Top 200 Greatest Footballer Of All-Time (Perhaps 200th)

Dearman, I have never seen you post in the current football topics, nor do you seem to take any interest in recent football developments. Do you watch live football or only clips from youtube? Or, even worse, only read about football and footballers(who got what rating from Kicker magazine, etc.) without bothering to watch it? Just curious.

 

[barracuda]

Kaka is some lucky dude.... did well in Milan but apart from that not much elsewhere.

One the one hand Milan makes players like Kevin Prince Boateng look world class, so maybe you are right. One the other hand Madrid habitually turn gold into crap, so judging Kaka by his Madrid performance might be unfair. :undecide:

 

[Dearman]

Dearman, I have never seen you post in the current football topics, nor do you seem to take any interest in recent football developments. Do you watch live football or only clips from youtube? Or, even worse, only read about football and footballers(who got what rating from Kicker magazine, etc.) without bothering to watch it? Just curious.

Hey it is not reasonable to think I don't watch football base on idea of being not often participate in present football forum. I always watch the game in every week but I'd insteadly prefer chating about it with my freind in facebook especially Dagoods !

 

[Ze da Fiel]

Dearman

tell him to come back... we miss him

 

[Ze da Fiel]

any other era of brazilian football this kaka wouldnt make the roster

He would not make the squad of 1982, that is for sure.:thumbsup:

 

[Ze da Fiel]

Btw, club career wise and national team career Rai > Kaka

Rivaldo > Kaka in national team career and possibly club career also.

Too bad barcelona were very bad when Rivaldo played for them

 

[Dearman]

Dearman

Loved the label on the rankings:thumbsup::smileani:

Btw, can you do me a favor... can you put him MUCH LOWER in the brazilian rankings... we have a tradition to live up to:smileani:roud::howler:



Btw guys

Kaka is some lucky dude.... did well in Milan but apart from that not much elsewhere.

In Sao Paulo he was kicked out by the fans.... ok he played good here and their but always choked

In Real Madrid he has done virtually nothing in 3 years and I doubt he will ever fit in with so many options that Mourinho has.

For Brazil he was good in two confedrations cup.

Then in 2 world cups , one he choked badly and the other he was carrying an injury.

2014 needs to be his year of glory of his final fate in football history.

do you guys agree?

Ze, Kaka is not too bad. He proved himself more than C.ROnaldo and Messi in NT career and perform very high level in Series A for many seasons. Yes he should be down for just a ranking to 22nd.

1. Pele
2. Garrincha
3. Zico
4. Ronaldo
5. Didi
6. Romario
7. Zizinho
8. Leonidas
9. Rivelino
10. Rivaldo
11. Ronaldinho
12. Jairzinho
13. Falcao
14. Nilton Santos
15. Tostao
16. Socrates
17. Gerson
18. Djalma Santos
19. Ademir De Menezes
20. Carlos Alberto
21. Julinho
22. Kaka
23. Arthur Friedenreich
24. Roberto Carlos
25. Gilmar
26. Domingos Da Guia
27. Ademir Da Guia
28. Canhoteiro
29. Leovilgedo Junior
30. Careca
31. Toninho Cerezo
32. Pepe
33. Danilo Alvim
34. Bebeto
35. Jose Altafini
36. Jair Da Rosa
37. Reinaldo
38. Clodoaldo
39. Marcos Cafu
40. Dirceu
41. Amarildo
42. Heleno De Freitas
43. Luis Parreira
44. Roberto Dinamite
45. Quarentinha
46. Paolo Cesar Caju
47. Leonardo
48. Coutinho
49. Zito
50. Robinho

Substitution List

Paolo Cesar Carpeggiani
Emerson Leao
Leandro Ferreira
Dada Maravilha
Jair Da Costa
Adriano
Vava

 

[Dearman]

Yeah, no way Kaka is one of the 200 best players ever Dearman.

He's a solid player on his day but it's not his day nearly often enough.

Why not ? In top 50 best ever, there are 15 AM and Kaka is belonged to 31th of AM list. Even rate him down to top 40 AM list he still qualify for top 200 for sure.

 

[Dearman]

We should start placing the Dearman lists into Wikipedia articles (semi srs). They'll probably be anal and remove them though.

I'm not clear of your meaning. Could you clarify this sentence in easier understanding words of your point ? As I may understand, you disagree on Kaka's rating of mine ? and even bring this up to consider my works is too bad to establish in wikipedia ?

If yes, this kind of work has definitely been no way to be accepted in wikipedia because it is partly depend on personal point of view not a reference data so the idea to establish it is failed at first.

Kaka's ability and talent may be infeirior to many Brazilians whom I rate below him likes Ademir Da Guia, Canhoteiro, Reinaldo but footballers have to prove themself to reach thier high level of potential in high standard of competition to be highly placed in history. Players who are full of talent but cannot win to meet appropiate opportunity or situation, are normally failed to be highly regarded in the worldwide.