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Fifa has come down hard on J.V.P. They've basically ended his career.

He has been banned from ALL Futebol, not only the N.T., but even from playing for Sporting or any club. The length of the suspension wasn't mentioned.

He deserves it, but I still feel bad for the guy and for Porutugal that will have to do without the undeniable skills he also brings. Sadly, the guy just never was able to control himself - but at least he showed some passion. Those who are ready to jump on the band wagon to criticize him - stop and think. The things he did, were done because he wanted to win. Maybe if our coach had a touch of that heat, it would be us playing Italy, and not the Koreans.
 

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Didn't know FIFA could ban him from playing in the Portugese league, are you sure? Thought this was up to the Portugese FA...or maybe UEFA...

Harsh, yes. Deserved, yes.

( Uuum, know this isn't the right thread but I have been criticizing the referees of the WC...so I might in secrecy sympathize with JVP as the refs really suck BIGTIME!)... Still you don't punch anyone - not even the referee when he's a moron... must be a professional..
 

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That's what was reported at half-time of the of S.K. - ITALY game. They clearly said he is banned from all play, including club level. They re-played the tape that shows the referee reacting as if he had been punched hard.

Hey at least it looks like it was no love tap. Sanchez deserved a little pain for not carding the S.K. player who did the same thing a little later! ;)
 

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Personally, I think that players get way too much freedom with bumping, shoving and touching the referee. The referee is untouchable, no matter how rediculous of a call hemay make. I think it's time these players realize the consequences of abusing that rule. Too bad it happened to a good Portuguese player, but it's been a long time coming.
 

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Maybe next time Portugal happen to be on the short end of the stick, they will handle it with some digniity. First Euro 2000 and now this. Passion and disappointment are one thing, but you have to keep it in check. I'd hate to see the NT get a bad reputation because a few people lose their cool and act like children.
 

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hes been banned from all competitions indeffinitely, until fifa fully review his case and hand down his actual punishment.

I think we'll see him banned from international for a year, but not from club level as not to affect the club, but who knows.
 

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We'll find out. A bunch of Serie A players got bans for various offences (doping and passports) and none of them served teh full time. However, we're only La Liga in Portugal so it'll be interesting to see if our players get the same leniant treatment.

Not working in JVP's favor is this is not some passport scandal or using supplements, but hitting the ref in the middle of a WC match. The man is f*cking idiot, but I hope to see him wearing green and white at some point next season.
 

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If I'm FIFA (or UEFA and/or FPF) I start to instruct referees to start issuing strict cards fro players who find it necessary to violate the referees personal space after a call. That should include all touching, bumping, shoving, grabbing or just plain ol' getting in the ref's face. This JVP thing happened because players have continuously been allowed to do it for so long. The players need to be re-conditioned to start respecting referee decisions as final and become real familiar to the repercussions of forgetting that little detail in game's rules.

That is all.
 

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The refs don't enforce anything consistently. For how many years have we heard that they'd be getting rid of the back tackle via the red card, only to see it never happen. FIFA and their supposed guidelines are a crock. I recall as far back as 1990 that they'd be getting rid of certain tackles etc... only to find that nothing happened.


The same is true for player behavior, as you said. In order to really eliminate it, they'd have to suspend players for acting poorly and fighting referee decisions. The problem with that is you'd wind up losing star players and the tourney officials wouldn't allow it. So, you wind up with these great intentions but no enforcement because it means the big names sit.


It's the same reason all those suspensions for doping and passports were drastically reduced.
 

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Do you see any referee bumping in the NFL and/or the NBA? The few that made the mistake fo doing it have paid heavy prices - it doesn't take a genius to know why that doesn't happen very often in these sports (and we all know that refereeing in those sports are not any better than in soccer).

It takes guts, no doubt. But if the ref doesn't have it, then FIFA (etc) have to start doing the suspensions after a game and perhaps even develop a system of penalizing the refs who don't have the fortitude to do it on the pitch. But, it has to start... and believe you me - humans, much like all mammals, are incredibly opt to conditioning.
 

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It's the same principle as classroom management. If you lay down the law and take control of the class from the get go, then you have compliant students who test the rules once or twice and then realize the consequences.


However, if you allow the students to run ape sh*t and then try to set down some rules to regain control, it will never work. Once the inmates run the asylum, you never get it back


It's probably even worse with pampered prima dona athletes. Once they're allowed to act like petulant kids, it's almost impossible to reestablish order.

The NBA and NFL don't have that problem (much) because when it does arise they get stomped. It's never been allowed. In soccer it's always been allowed. Hopefully, the lengthy bans will send a message, but if that were trully the case then you'd think these clowns would have learned from Euro 2000 when they acted like asses and got banned.
 

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Though both incidents were embarrassing, they were nor similar by a long shot. This last one involved only one idiot and he got quickly escorted away. Went Beto got the thrown out, he left with hardly a word of protest. Obvious improvement from the previous incident, I would say.
 

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we have to clean up the I liga, so that the young kids especially don't get used to this sort of thing....

they get away with too much, especially since everytime you think someone's suspended for the next game, they magically get despenalizado, it got out of hand this last year...
 

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Memo to JVP:

Stick to punching no name players during practice.

To steal a line from you, Pila: That is all.
 

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Players have to go into the game with an expectation of objective and competent officiating.

If that does not exist, they will try to take advantage of the Ref is he's a bad one, and behave if he's a good one.

The present system of officiating is bad because it depends on the human factor of the ref to too great a degree. They need to take advantage of today's technology to improve the game. Refs should be allowed, wait scratch that - they should be required - to use video evidence before making the call if there's any question over it. Replays should not be run for the crowd until the call is certain. It will never be completely fair and accurate, but this would help. Other sports do it, there's no reason ours can't.
 

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I'm all for improving officiating, but even using visual aids to review the replay leaves massive room to interpretationas we often see here in America with Helmet ball. Besides, whether officiating improves are not is not the issue with a team and its circle of elders that refuse to reject this "why-me" mentality that's the real cause for our woes.

Italy, on the other hand, have legitimate beef with officiating. Yet, no one on their team physically assaulted the ref.
 

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I am 100% against VIDEO REPLAY. Yes officiating is poor on a near global scale but you're all looking at this through one end.

Imagine an official whitewashing a red card he handed out to one of our players because of an error on his part, sounds good. Now imagine the reverse happening.

I'd much rather deal with and live with the 'human' errors these officials make. And how exactly would you incorporate these video replays? The clock never stops, unlike other sports.
 

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I agree with not using video replay in general but I think it should be used for off the ball incidents. Elbows, punches, etc not seen by the ref should be reviewed and punishments handed out.
 
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