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It's really strange when you look back at it. In the beggining of the season we where predicted to be at the top and possibly winning. Inter on the other hand was also predicted to be in the top, but most predictioncs I saw put them after us.

Tables are turned before the last match, Inter had the chance for the scudetto and we, well could possibly save the season from total failure.

The day after and the Inter fans mourn like they have been relegated and Milan fans celebrate like they won an scudetto. Maybe they don't celebrate that much in this forum (but that is only because you are an bunch of whiners ;)).

You see it's all relative, Inter failed miserably in what was expected of them now in the end and Milan did very good. Nonwithstanding the points that separates us. What could put even more irony to it, would be if Inter missed UCL against an team like Helsingborg, then they would suddenly have failed more than us...

And as funny is that we at the moment have had an as succesful season as Inter when it comes to objectives, an semi final in UEFA plus UCL qualifiqation. and we went longer in Coppa Italia...
 

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Kris the sad thing is our objectives were

a UEFA cup semifinal
a CL spot

personally i though noting less than winning the uefa cup was succesful
and at least a top 3 finish

but then again maybe i expect too much from a squad that last summer got reinforced with some good $100 million.

but then again.....there always next season as the managment love to point out....

my question is when willl next season be our season?

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Well Kris I think you made a very good point ... I was also thinking about that irony, because it is irony ... If you look at it from a non-biased perspective it is just ridiculous that we and inter have finished on the same place ...

But you know what else I was thinking. Because I had the chance to spend my last year in this wonderful city here and got in touched with the American sports more or less and met so many American fans/friends I sudenly start to appriciate OUR sport even more ... and the big difference is that football is not just a sport as we love to say. But you know what, the thing is that, this is bloody true. And while winning and getting spots here and there is important (the most important), the big difference with these 4 sports here is that football is NOT ABOUT THE STATICTICS! And when I say stats I don't mean the No of the titles and the CLs ... No, but stats like how many times have Zizou touched the ball, and how many succesful and unsuccesful passes has he made, how many passes with forwards in scoring positions, and how may forward and how many at the back and so on and so on ... Can you imagine if football was about these things. Can you imagine we all were gathereing here after the game and were speaking with numbers and stats. If Zizou (just an example) is the best in the world it is not beacuse of all that crap but beacuse of the way he plays ... the beauty of the game, the thing that makes football the best sport in the world ... we don't watch stats , we don't care about that as a matter of maths ... but we see the game in its entirety and see it as part of our lives and part of the beuty in the world ... this is why the HOLLAND NT from 1974 will be one of the top3 or top 5 ever, without winning IT; Van Basten be one of the gretets forwards of all times without being even on the final of the WC, Cruiff chosen the N1 in Europe for the century without a WC or even Euro, and Gianni Riverra being the N1 ever in Italy without a WC , without a Golden Ball even! ... The beuty of the game ... OUR GAME ... MILAN GAME!

And haveing said that and bearing in mind that the CL spot is very very important , still it is not an award , it is not a consolation but just a small hope and a small promise that things could be better. And finally we will play football like we used to... or at least half of it ;)
And a small hope that the day is coming when we will start to gather here (ALL) in a short time, celebrating a beautiful unlucky loss and not another 1-0 home crapy-goal-win which just saved the coaches head again ... beacuuse the day football turns into stats ... "the day THE MUSIC DIES ... and we singing ..."

S-O-O-O-O-STENIAMO LA SQUADRA PIUFORTE
CHE IL MONDO HA VISTO MAI
MAGICO MILAN VINCI PER NOI
MAGICO MILAN... E MAGICO MILAN OLE!
...E...O..O FORZA MAGICO MILAN... E...O..O.....

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Beautiful post Bono, it pretty much sums up the big difference between USA and europan sport views.

What was our goal this season? Personally I was aiming for us to get to UCL and winning one of the cups. At least we got one of those goals, but it was not in the most beautiful way. And Inter who has been so hailed by at least their own fans for once ;) have not reached anything more than us, yes some more pionts and an bitter loss, but only that bitter loss will be remembered.

In comparison to many other didn't I expect us to be as super as some believed. We could have been aiming for the top if we have had the same coach all year and no injuries, but with new coahc and players it takes time to click.

Anyway, considering my mood after the Bologna game I am happy now, relative happy. ;)
 

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bono74 said:


And haveing said that and bearing in mind that the CL spot is very very important , still it is not an award , it is not a consolation but just a small hope and a small promise that things could be better. And finally we will play football like we used to... or at least half of it ;)

Well put, my feelings exactly.
The SCUDETTO is the most important objective.
If, as reports suggest , we are losing Sheva to Real I can not be too optimistic about next season. I like Montella, the reported 'replacement', but an in form Sheva is something else.
 

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Isn't soccer weird?

Inter were being hailed as champions and a real good club who had finally got everything together and were looking to be one of the best clubs in the world again.

Meanwhile on better side of Milano, ACM were being criticised for every single move we did; the coaches sackings, the bad performances, the struggle against smaller clubs, etc...

However, when you look at what Inter achieved and what Milan achieved, we actually did better than Inter.

Inter
3rd in Serie A
Semi-finals of UEFA Cup
Quarter-finals of Italian Cup
Qualified for Preliminary Stages of UCL


Milan
4th in Serie A
Semi-finals of UEFA Cup
Semi-finals of Italian Cup
Qualified for Preliminary Stages of UCL


So they finished 1 spot higher in the Serie A, but we still qualified for the same thing. We both made the semis of the UEFA and we made the semis of the Italian Cup, whereas they only made the quarters.
 

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thanx for putting it all into the right perspective The Shev. Still as far as individual players go maybe, JUST MAYBE, there is a bigger difference than your results show.
One example:
Moreno is our back up striker. Kallon is Inter's back up striker.
I don't think anybody can argue that their seasons have been radically different.
YES I know and agree that there is a case to be made about Moreno not getting the chance to show his stuff but that is also a 'weakness' of the coaching staff/team.
 

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Rezag that is the irony. Thery didn't have as many important injuries and as you pointed out some quality reserves. but still we finished at about the same place... irony.
 

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Rezag that is the irony. Thery didn't have as many important injuries and as you pointed out some quality reserves. but still we finished at about the same place... irony.
I agree with you but I have ONE (sorry) more point.
I don't have any stats in front of me but their injuries while not as important were pretty serious too, at least in the strikers' position
How many games did Ronaldo and Vieri miss? How do those numbers compare with the number of games Sheva and Pippo missed? One should also look at the number of game the duos actually played together.
 

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No, but stats like how many times have Zizou touched the ball, and how many succesful and unsuccesful passes has he made, how many passes with forwards in scoring positions, and how may forward and how many at the back and so on and so on ...
LOL bono!! You captured it perfectly! :D
 

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LOL bono!! You captured it perfectly! :D
If you live here for an year at least you will se that it is not that difficult ... besides, I am a sports fan in general, so I am listening to sports radios here and reading the stuf ... don't get me wrong I like the sports in here . They are fan to watch, especially the play-offs ... but if you liten to the way the guys are debating a player or a game you will think that you are listening to two students taking a curse on statistics ... it is amazing ... :eek:
 

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I agree with you but I have ONE (sorry) more point.
I don't have any stats in front of me but their injuries while not as important were pretty serious too, at least in the strikers' position
How many games did Ronaldo and Vieri miss? How do those numbers compare with the number of games Sheva and Pippo missed? One should also look at the number of game the duos actually played together.
The strikers where of course their most important injuries as their other team parts where largerly unaffected.

Ronaldo doesn't count, they knew he waas injuried and had planned after that. Just as Ambrosinis injury where something Milan had planned after.

several injuries is worse than long injuries, because several injuries produces much more instability.


And what you say here is actually about the subs then... and I already agreed that they have more qualified subs, Moreno was an failure and Brocchi and Umit didn't produce the goods when called upon. Our squad had some weak point and with injuries they where esposed. Serginho as our only left winger, Rui as our creative force (together with the hesitaion to use Pirlo).
 

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yeah, but that's my point. Inter had a much better season than us, performance-wise. But as far as achievements, we actually did better. There is no doubt Inter were better, but I was just pointing out the irony.
 
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