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...this article is extremelly accurate in my opinion. By Giannis Karalis of Sportime and Nova, in Greek:

ΤΟ ΠΟΔΟΣΦΑΙΡΟ ΣΕ ΚΩΜΑ: Φτιάξτε το ΤΩΡΑ ή… κλείστε το

28/2/2006 12:37


Αυτό το ΧΑΛΙ, όπως το κυριακάτικο της Τούμπας, δεν είναι ΟΥΤΕ πρωτοφανές ΟΥΤΕ πρωτόγνωρο. Μην κάνει κανείς τον… έκπληκτο μπροστά στην ασχήμια, μπροστά στην… πετροβροχή, στις φωτιές, στις… μπούκες, στα πεταγμένα καθίσματα, στα βεγγαλικά, στις κροτίδες, κ.λπ. Δυστυχώς, για το ποδόσφαιρό μας, είναι ΜΙΑ ΑΚΟΜΗ φορά! Και έχουμε αρχίσει τόσο να το συνηθίζουμε, που, όταν γίνει «απόπειρα» μικρότερου βεληνεκούς, την ξεπερνάμε σαν… να μην έγινε τίποτα!

Θέλετε παραδείγματα; Πετάνε πρόπερσι οι ΑΕΚτσήδες καπνογόνο που πήγε να κάψει τον Ευθυμιάδη. «Ελα, μωρέ, 90’ μόνο… ένα καπνογόνο έπεσε». Πετάνε οι Ολυμπιακοί κροτίδες στα πόδια του Μπασινά, όταν ήταν να εκτελέσει κόρνερ. Την ίδια ώρα ο Τάκης (ο πρώην παρουσιαστής της TV) του ψιθυρίζει «γαλλικά». «Ελα, μωρέ, σιγά. Δεν τον… έκαψαν κιόλας»! Ασε που «ο Τάκης είναι γνωστός, τι να του είπε δηλαδή;». Πριν από το περσινό ντέρμπι ΑΕΚ - ΠΑΟ, το ξύλο… στην Κηφισίας έδινε και έπαιρνε. Η κυρίαρχη αναφορά; Η… ωραία ατμόσφαιρα ΜΕΣΑ στο ΟΑΚΑ!

Η ΥΠΟΚΡΙΣΙΑ σ’ όλο της το μεγαλείο! Δηλαδή, ας κάψουν την Αθήνα όλοι οι ΚΑΝΙΒΑΛΟΙ, αρκεί να μη «μας ενοχλούν», όταν είναι στην εξέδρα! Το ότι εκεί στήνουν συμμορίες και σχεδιάζουν τα «ντου» και τα «πεσίματα», αμέσως μετά τη λήξη, ΔΕΝ συγκινούν κανέναν! Αλλά μήπως βλέπουμε… μπάλα; «Πώς πάν’ τα παιδιά σου, κόρακα; Οσο πάν’ και… μαυρίζουν», που λέει και η παροιμία! Κάθε χρόνο μειώνονται τα γκολ. Τα γήπεδά μας, στο σύνολό τους, θυμίζουν εγκαταλελειμμένα γήπεδα της πρώην Ανατολικής Ευρώπης. ΠΑΡΑΚΜΗ! ΑΣΧΗΜΙΑ!

Ποιότητα; Κάτω του μετρίου! Βρείτε μου τα ματς που σας άρεσαν από τα 168 που έχουν διεξαχθεί στο φετινό πρωτάθλημα, κι αν ξεπεράσετε τα δάχτυλα και των δύο χεριών, κερδίζετε δώρο… Ο κόσμος; Ο ΝΟΡΜΑΛ φίλαθλος κόσμος της χώρας, εννοώ. Εχει φωνάξει «άντε γεια» στο γήπεδο, προ καιρού! Η πρεμιέρα είχε 75.600 εισιτήρια, η 9η 73.518 και καμία άλλη δεν ξεπέρασε τις 60.000 εισιτήρια, πλην των… 60.636 της 6ης αγωνιστικής.

Δηλαδή ούτε ΕΝΑ από τα καλά ευρωπαϊκά γήπεδα δεν γεμίζουμε κάθε Κυριακή! Αφήστε που υπάρχουν 9 αγωνιστικές στις 21, που δεν φτάσαμε καν τα 40.000 εισιτήρια. Κι ερωτώ: για ΠΟΙΟΥΣ παίζεται ΕΤΣΙ αυτό το πρωτάθλημα; Οταν οι φίλαθλοι το «φτύνουν», όταν οι παίκτες ονειρεύονται να παίξουν εκτός συνόρων, όταν αυτοί που το πετυχαίνουν ακούν για «επιστροφή» και φτύνουν τον κόρφο τους, όταν το ΜΟΝΑΔΙΚΟ που μας έχει μείνει, ΚΑΘΕ ΔΕΥΤΕΡΑ, είναι οι άθλιες διαιτησίες και όταν όποτε περνάμε τα σύνορα οι… σβουριχτές σου… σπάνε το τύμπανο από την ένταση, ΓΙΑΤΙ ΔΕΝ ΤΟ ΚΛΕΙΝΟΥΜΕ το μαγαζί; Ποιον εξυπηρετεί αυτή η συσσωρευμένη ΑΣΧΗΜΙΑ;

Αν η ΕΠΑΕ και -κατ’ επέκταση- η υπερκείμενη αρχή της, η ΕΠΟ, ΔΕΝ μπορούν να αλλάξουν κάτι, γιατί ΜΑΤΑΙΟΠΟΝΟΥΝ οι επικεφαλής τους και συνεχίζει να πονάει το ποδόσφαιρό μας; ΕΠΙΤΕΛΟΥΣ, ΤΕΛΟΣ! Αλλάξτε το ή κλείστε το!
ΥΓ.: - Ακου εκεί «τον απείλησαν 4 οπαδοί κι ο ένας έβγαλε μαχαίρι» !
Υπάρχει τίποτα χειρότερο απ’ αυτό που έζησε ο Ιφεάνι Ουντέζε την Κυριακή; Τι; Να τον… φάνε, όπως οι Κολομβιανοί τον Εσκομπάρ; ΚΑΤΑΝΤΙΑ… Καλά κάνει και φεύγει το παλικάρι. Που θυμηθείτε ότι στη Νιγηρία ανήκει σε… βασιλική οικογένεια!

•Τι είδα εγώ απ’ τη διαιτησία στην Τούμπα; ΟΡΓΙΑ!
Αρχικά ΔΕΝ διέκοψε το ματς, όταν έβρεχε «τσιμέντα»! Ακολούθως ΔΕΝ κράτησε 10’-12’, αλλά… 2’.45’’ καθυστέρηση, ΑΝΤΙΚΑΝΟΝΙΚΑ βάσει του βιβλίου των κανονισμών.

•Στο 5’ πριν από το γκολ του ΠΑΟΚ υπάρχει υποψία φάουλ, δηλαδή να έχει πατήσει ο Σαλπιγγίδης τον Μπουλούτ που πέφτει. Στο 17’, όμως, δεν έδωσε το πέναλτι-μαρς στο χέρι του Τουρέ, ο οποίος το κινεί δεξιά και βρίσκει την μπάλα.

•Στο 25’ ο ίδιος βοηθός (με τη φάση του 5’) υποδεικνύει ΛΑΝΘΑΣΜΕΝΑ οφσάιντ τον (μόνο του ) Σαλπιγγίδη, ενώ έβγαινε τετ α τετ με τον Νικοπολίδη. Κι αυτά είναι τα… βασικότερα λάθη! Ο Ολυμπιακός και δεν πρέπει να… ντρεπόμαστε και να κρυβόμαστε υπό το πρίσμα του «μη… δυσαρεστηθούν οι υπόλοιποι» ΕΙΝΑΙ ΚΑΛΥΤΕΡΟΣ ΟΛΩΝ, στο φετινό πρωτάθλημα. Και ως εκ τούτου, θα το πάρει ΔΙΚΑΙΟΤΑΤΑ.

•Όμως, ΠΟΙΟΣ δικαιούται να μας στερεί το πιο όμορφο συναίσθημα στην εξέλιξη ενός ματς (όποτε παίζει ο Ολυμπιακός ), την ΕΚΠΛΗΞΗ δηλαδή; Εγώ δεν λέω πως αν δοθεί το πέναλτι και ισοφαρίσει η Καλλιθέα θα αλλάξει ο νικητής.

•Δεν λέω πως αν δοθεί το πέναλτι στον Ακράτητο και γίνει το 1-1 δεν θα σκοράρει ξανά ο Ολυμπιακός. Δεν λέω ότι το χέρι του Ανατολάκη, αν η ΑΕΚ το κάνει γκολ, θα στερήσει τη νίκη του Ολυμπιακού. Ούτε, ακόμη ακόμη ότι αν γίνει το 2-0, στο 17’, στην Τούμπα, με το χέρι του Τουρέ, δεν θα γύριζε το ματς.

•Ομως… ΣΑΝ ΠΟΛΛΑ δεν μαζεύτηκαν; Και εν πάση περίπτωση πότε θα κατανοήσουν οι «Μπριάκοι» και οι «βοηθοί» τους πως δεν ενδιαφερόμαστε να βλέπουμε σε κάθε ματς την καινούργια… παράστασή τους, αλλά… ΠΟΔΟΣΦΑΙΡΟ;

•Σ.σ. Η δικαίωση των κ. Γκαγκάτση και Γερμανάκου είναι οφθαλμοφανής! Τι να τους κάνουμε τους… καθηγητές διαιτησίας και τις αναλύσεις; Εδώ είναι όλα… πεντακάθαρα! Να το κάνουμε και εμείς σαν τα σκυλάκια! Να τα… σκεπάζουμε, πετώντας χώμα με τα πίσω πόδια…

ΓΙΑΝΝΗΣ ΚΑΡΑΛΗΣ
 

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Karalis made his effort to be objective but he didn't make till the end. Of course for him the major problem of the league is Olympiakos.

Amo I am not surprised that you agree with him
 

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Typical complex response from a brainwashed greek fan. With your brand new 05-06 gavro red glasses on, you naturally focus on which team is favored as opposed to the actual point of the article. Bravo, you do Tsoukalas proud.
 

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yeah, right. Of course you are the objective one in this forum g00nis. What do you know about Karalis? Do you listen to him on the radio? Where has he worked in the past? Does he usually believe what he writes or is he just favouring the people who pay him? (not his boss)

Usually the winners, the fans of a team that has won 8 championships in 9 years and 33 in total don't have a complex. It is the other way round. And I will not accept the effort that some of you make in order to humiliate my team
 

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Panoss said:
yeah, right. Of course you are the objective one in this forum g00nis. What do you know about Karalis? Do you listen to him on the radio? Where has he worked in the past? Does he usually believe what he writes or is he just favouring the people who pay him? (not his boss)
I understand why you don't like Karalis, but he knows his football and he's at least trying to remain objective. But is that really the point? What would you think of the article if you didn't see the name of the person who wrote it? Tackle the ball, not the player.

Not to mention that the part where he points out that Olympiakos might have been favored when Toure played handball in the area was only a secondary point of the article. But, as goonis said, you focused on that instead.

Usually the winners, the fans of a team that has won 8 championships in 9 years and 33 in total don't have a complex.
As in many other football-related things, Greece is the exception to this too.

It is the other way round. And I will not accept the effort that some of you make in order to humiliate my team
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:) You see Amo? Good humour is much better than just insulting me.

Seriously now Karalis is not objective at all, and sometimes he is against the team that he supports (AEK). He has been a journalist for Derby and Sportime, and now in Sportime with Ksydis as his boss they will become even more fanatic than Derby. So the above text is just unaccepteble. Because it does not only matter what somebody writes but you have to search for his intentions. And his intention is always to lower Olympiakos.

A couple of days ago you said that Varouhas is not objective. And I know that he supports Olympiakos, so I didn't even argue. I understand that he has some hidden intentions.

By the way, Giovanni is the god while other are simple mortals. You shouldn't group them together :)
 

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Panoss said:
yeah, right. Of course you are the objective one in this forum g00nis. What do you know about Karalis? Do you listen to him on the radio? Where has he worked in the past? Does he usually believe what he writes or is he just favouring the people who pay him? (not his boss)

Usually the winners, the fans of a team that has won 8 championships in 9 years and 33 in total don't have a complex. It is the other way round. And I will not accept the effort that some of you make in order to humiliate my team
Does it matterwhat I know about Karalis? He obviously brings up wrongs that are done to both sides. Your missing a good point brought up by a jornalist because you choose to focus on whom he favors... thats complex buddy regardless if OSFP has won 1000 titles or 1.
 

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no. I said that he supports AEK but he earns money by praising Panathinaikos and lowering Olympiakos. Karalis in Supersport and Karalis in newspapers (Sportime, Derby) are two completely different persons. I am repeating myself but check the front pages of Sportime in the last week, since Ksydis took over again as editor.

I like journalists like Sakellaropoulos who support a certain team and are always consistent to it. They are also lucky they can earn money from it.
 

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Karalis is more fanatic PAO fan than Sakellaropoulos. At least Sakellaropoulos used to be in FOS and of course when he was there he was praising the super-team of Bayevic which now 'won all the championships with referees' help'. Karalis goes on the radio (public of course, we all have to pay for these guys), and rants about how Olympiakos is crap...

As for the game the toumpa game should not have ended and PAOK should have got a punishment worse than what we Olympiakos got last year against Panionios (4 games behind closed doors and 300.000 euros fine for much less troubles). Instead of that they blame the ref for burning down the stadium, as if the ref was the reason they lost. I like it that nobody mentions that they scored a goal that should have been disallowed and are talking about a handball which would never be given anywhere...
 

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red fan 7 you are a brainwashed supporter of Olympiakos :howler:

This makes 2 of us. There is only one was to be objective when following Greek football. You have to read Sportime, blame Kokalis for everything, and of course every match Olympiakos wins, it happens because of the referee. Of course all the wild supporters of other teams have every right to throw stones in the stadium
 

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As for the game the toumpa game should not have ended and PAOK should have got a punishment worse than what we Olympiakos got last year against Panionios (4 games behind closed doors and 300.000 euros fine for much less troubles).
??????
Are you blind?? :eekani:
 

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well in the Panionios game there were fights for a few minutes and then the referee could start the match (or he could ask the police to evacuate the stadium) but he chose not to
In Toumpa the fans literally set the stadium on fire and didn't allow the game to be continued... And you will see that PAOK won't get a punishment anywhere near as harsh (especially the fine)
 

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Paok punished for 3 home games and fined 80.000Euro while Xanthi punished for 2 home games and fined 60.000Euro for a coin that hit the 4th referee!!! :eekani:

Those guys suck. :finger:
And for Xanthi the next 2 home games are against Panathinaikos and Olympiakos.

The only positive is that 4 of the hooligans that burned Toumpa will go to jail.
 

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i am not arguing about the fine, it is obvious they are broke

but about the 3 games

Oly got 6 games, not 4, and nobody threw stones (rocks) there and literally set the stadium on fire

The players were in real danger for their life, thank the Lord nobdy was seriously injured

They should close this stadium until the end of the season, IMHO

I also hope that the people arrested will get real punishment and not released easily

It was like an intifada with all those rocks :frustrat:

What are they waiting for? Somebody to get killed??

And about this Journalist: He reminds me of Spanish AS A Madrid spoort newspaper

Very biased against non madrid clubs

NObody should take him seriously axept PAOK and PAO fans of course
 

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They should close this stadium until the end of the season, IMHO
I think the same but what the hell is working right in Greece and you expect such a decision?
At least there is an improvement as i said and before 4 of those hooligans were arrested and will go to jail.

Olympiacos got 4 games because their "fans" were INSIDE the pitch and were fighting with Panionios fans.
In this case there were injured people(from both sides).
In Toumpa there were only damages to the stadium.And don't tell me that the stones could reach the pitch because not even Gatsioudis can throw so far!!!!
I don't say they had the right to do such things but you and all Olympiacos fans act like you were fu***d without a reason last year.

As for the last sentence:Say what you wish about PAO and PAOK fans I don't care but you have missed the purpose of this thread 'cause it's written from Karalis.
 

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And about this Journalist: He reminds me of Spanish AS A Madrid spoort newspaper

Very biased against non madrid clubs

NObody should take him seriously axept PAOK and PAO fans of course
Can you read Greek?
 

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well in the Panionios game there were fights for a few minutes and then the referee could start the match (or he could ask the police to evacuate the stadium) but he chose not to
In Toumpa the fans literally set the stadium on fire and didn't allow the game to be continued... And you will see that PAOK won't get a punishment anywhere near as harsh (especially the fine)
You know, you Gavroi are something else.

Hundreds of card carrying Gate 7 members show up without tickets to Nea Smyrni, proceed to carry out running riots on the field with police and opposing fans, and smash every thing in sight.

What happens in Toumba was bad too. But really now your wish to make OSFP look the angels is a malakia if I've ever seen one.
 

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Icarus before you write all this remember Livadia where your fans attacked the Alpha TV people, broke down the stadium, stopped the match for 20-30 minutes and interrupted the TV transmission. Just for the interruption you should have received 2 games without fans. For the stoppage of the match and the fights with the police, it could be more than 2-3 matches.

What was the result? 2 games without fans for Aek. One more scandal for Aek. I am being convinced that Aek has become a state team.

Because of the Panionios game we were punished with the maximum games. Can somebody explain why we got 3 games because of the cup final with Aris?
 
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