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Is Real Madrid helped by the referees?

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Is Real Madrid helped by the refs?

In Spain the among is growing between the Real Madrid rivals, Real Madrid have supporters in the national sport newspapers and in all the national media of the capital... but something is going on, all those teams have felt stolen by the referee in a match against Real Madrid.

- Valencia
- Valladolid
- Murcia
- Barcelona
- Málaga

... and the worst of all: Sevilla.

Yesterday night in the Copa del Rey, match of semifinals, Sevilla needed a 2-0 to draw the leg. They were wining 1-0... when Zinedine Zidane hit Pablo Alfaro's face violently. It's true that Pablo Alfaro exagerated his pain to achieve a red card for Zidane. It's true that he shouldn't do that... but the first one who hit was Zidane. He got the red card. Then we arrived to the half time, when suddenly, in the referee's dress-rooms appeared Jorge Valdano, sports-director of Real Madrid to talk with the ref and put all the pressure on him. In the second half, the ref shown another red card this time to Javi Navarro, Sevilla's CD, in the min. 2. A totally unfair red card. The ref felt the pressure of the madridism on him... after this red card, Valdano didn't go to talk with the referee.

Besides, after all this, Valdano recognized in Cadena Ser that he usually is the dress-rooms in the half time. What is he doing there? So we have a Real Madrid manager every half time talking with the ref? Is Valdano advising about which is the right way to manage a match?

When you see all those things and the amount of teams that have lost because of the refs against Real Madrid, you begin to be suspicious. I felt indignated, when I knew this, I also knew that the ref would not allow another result that a Real Madrid victory.

Valencia already has shown their fear to the ref for the next match in the Bernabeu.

That's the way Real Madrid acts. Asi gana el Madrid.

What do you think?
 

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i voted yes.

what reason the referee gave for the red card on javi navarro? i can't deny the referee somehow helped us against murcia at our home. but may i say this is an advantage for the home team? i haven't watched all of them and the one last night. so i just can agree to it with murcia and sevilla.
 

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Now I just want to know if Zinedine Zidane, the galactico broncas, is going to be banned for 4 matches as Pablo Alfaro or Kluivert got banned with this amount of matches for similar actions.

... or maybe Valdano also has a conversation with the comitees.:mad:

I use to be tolerant with madridism, I don't have any problems in recognize when they are better... but yesterday's actions are a shame for football.
 

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Rivero, a Osasuna player, has said today: "I'm sure that Zidane will get the suspension of the saction and he can play against Valencia".

He also said that if Real Madrid wants, Zidane will be banned in the year 2008.

http://www.marca.com/edicion/noticia/0,2458,445956,00.html

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Caparrós, Sevilla's coach: "I'm amazed of those menottistas that become bilardistas". "A menottista (about Valdano) told the press that my president and I should have been sactioned by the discipline comitees of the RFEF because of talking about the referees, before the match in the Bernabeu and he comes here and he had a really intelligent strategy. Today I've learned something else. We won't talk now about Javi Navarro and Pablo Alfaro".

http://www.marca.com/edicion/noticia/0,2458,445739,00.html

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Del Nido, Sevilla's president: "The police had to throw out Valdano. It has to be investigated, I wish you do (the press). There was people with names who talk about how little elegant were the sevillistas and about the pressure we were executing. You should know that Valdano had to be sent off because he said the referee 'I'm gonna fu(k you'. I insist, please investigate what was he doing in a place where he has no permission to be in. Tha police had to take him out, it seemed like the Real Madrid players were going to eat the line referee. You can't be mennottista and then being Bilardo".

Alfaro, Sevilla's player: "Valdano's attitude was pathetical. If you say or do soemthing wrong in the pitch, you can be forgiven, because the tension is big. But he can't be justified. I appreciated him until today. He went to put the pressure on the referee, another thing doesn't have value"

The second coach of Sevilla, after being Javi Navarro sent off, looking to the VIP zone, asked Valdano from the pitch: "Are you happy after this? He has gone into our dress room"

http://www.marca.com/edicion/noticia/0,2458,445787,00.html
 

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Valdano: "Suddenly, I found the 3 refs and I couldn't control myself. I thought that there was too much pressure, the atmosphere had conditionated the refs and I went to tell it to Iturralde (the ref), after this many players appeared and we had a moment of confusion and nerves". "I don't want to make this long, we have a match against Valencia in 3 days".

"It was a soft slap on the face that didn't deserved a red card" (about the Zidane's slap on Alfaro's face):eek:

"I found the referee, suddenly" :eek:

"I would have prefered not to do it, that's why I said sorry. But we had to do it when all the people in Real Madrid is tired of not talking about the refs when all the people is doing"

(PS: Yes, you don't talk about the referees, you talk WITH the referees :eek: )

"We are seeing images of the game, annalyzing the ref's document and we'll do the report. It's the first time in 3 years that we will demand to avoid the red card".

"We were the champions last season and we won the 'Fair Play' trophey, besides Zidane has never been sent off in Spain. We all know who shocks against who".


BTW, all those comments are in Marca:

http://www.marca.com/edicion/noticia/0,2458,445946,00.html
 

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Antoñito, Sevilla player: "Valdano shown his the Real Madrid prepotency". "Valdano's words just show the prepotency of a manager and of a club, they have team enough to win without pressuring the referees".

"When we (the players) arrived he already was talking to the referee, It's an ugly gesture of a club like Real Madrid. It's a shame, but perhaps they are used to do it".

"He didn't insult the ref, but he was screaming and excited. I didn't listen well all that he said, perhaps he said something that he shouldn't have said. It's the first time in my life I've seen a manager doing something like this".

"The police had to take him out, it didn't happen anything, but it could have been worst, because it weren't normal his screams"

The player also said about the treatment of the referees to Real Madrid:"In the national football Real Madrid has something special in this sense. I don't share it and a team with this budget and those players should win the leg as a big club and not usuing this kind of tricks that don't bring anything good"."The beauty of football is inside the pitch and noone has to come to the referees room to pressure the ref, because, as long as I know, no one in Spain uses this practices and less in the half time".

http://www.marca.es/edicion/noticia/0,2458,445941,00.html
 

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Heh. Apparently Brasil isn't the only league where referees fix matches after receiving orders from powerful people... :yuck:
 

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Heh. Apparently Brasil isn't the only league where matches are fixed.
I couldn't believe what was going on. I was listening to the radio, the match was 1-0 for Sevilla, they just needed another goal and Zidane was out... when Valdano went to talk to the ref and in the second minute of the second half he shown a red card to a Sevilla player. Perhaps Real Madrid a good match, they deserve to be in the final... but those Real Madrid practices are really strange. Valdano said yesterday night that he use to do this things in all the matches. He goes to the dress rooms in the half time.

Why do they want Henry having the refs?:eek:
 

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It reminds me of the intimidation tactics used by Franco.

If this is true then Valdano should be kicked out and Madrid fined or docked or some kind of penalty.

For all the apparent smarts of Valdano (debatable, I recall when he had to forfeit a match due to using too many foreigners in a game) his morals leave something to be desired.
 

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Re: Is Real Madrid helped by the refs?

Koeman4 said:
What do you think?
I think you were too hot when you opened this thread, cause you are a very reasonable poster and this thread is full of bias. :eek:

"when Zinedine Zidane hit Pablo Alfaro's face violently"
"but the first one who hit was Zidane."
"the ref shown another red card this time to Javi Navarro, Sevilla's CD, in the min. 2. A totally unfair red card."
"Valdano recognized in Cadena Ser that he usually is the dress-rooms in the half time. What is he doing there? So we have a Real Madrid manager every half time talking with the ref?"

Thes are all examples of biased comments that don´t adjust to reality, Koeman.

Zidane´s hit, if anything, it´s just as violent as the one he recieved from Alfaro BEFORE in that very same play. The first who hit was Zidane!? :confused: Come on...

The ref didn´t show a red on Javi Navarro. It was a second yellow for an obstruction on Ronaldo. Saying it was a red is in a way manipulating the opinion of those who didn´t wath the game.

And Valdano said he often goes to REAL MADRID DRESSING ROOM (which he has every right too), not the ref´s. Another example of manipulated coments.

We are in the Final "despite" the referee, not "thanks" to him.


Anyway, this thread will be of good use for some people to let their hatred, bias, provincialism and inferiority complexes out.
A pitty it has to be in the Spanish forum and not in a brand new "Crybaby Forum" created for the cause. :eek:
 

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We are in the Final "despite" the referee, not "thanks" to him.

No, You're in the final thanks to Jorge Valdano
 

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MILLS said:
I think you were too hot when you opened this thread, cause you are a very reasonable poster and this thread is full of bias. :eek:

"when Zinedine Zidane hit Pablo Alfaro's face violently"
"but the first one who hit was Zidane."
"the ref shown another red card this time to Javi Navarro, Sevilla's CD, in the min. 2. A totally unfair red card."
"Valdano recognized in Cadena Ser that he usually is the dress-rooms in the half time. What is he doing there? So we have a Real Madrid manager every half time talking with the ref?"

Thes are all examples of biased comments that don´t adjust to reality, Koeman.

Zidane´s hit, if anything, it´s just as violent as the one he recieved from Alfaro BEFORE in that very same play. The first who hit was Zidane!? :confused: Come on...

The ref didn´t show a red on Javi Navarro. It was a second yellow for an obstruction on Ronaldo. Saying it was a red is in a way manipulating the opinion of those who didn´t wath the game.

And Valdano said he often goes to REAL MADRID DRESSING ROOM (which he has every right too), not the ref´s. Another example of manipulated coments.

We are in the Final "despite" the referee, not "thanks" to him.


Anyway, this thread will be of good use for some people to let their hatred, bias, provincialism and inferiority complexes out.
A pitty it has to be in the Spanish forum and not in a brand new "Crybaby Forum" created for the cause. :eek:


i confirm.
the replay was quite clear.
and the red on navarro was a second yellow.
 

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MILLS said:
I think you were too hot when you opened this thread, cause you are a very reasonable poster and this thread is full of bias. :eek:


Yes, I'm very hot... like everyone in Spain who's not madridista. This is not the first time in this season and lately is too often. Barça wasn't the victim this time, but it's annoying to see how the mistakes always fall to the same side. All the fans see it this way... but Real Madrid ones.

Perhaps I'm hot, but I see it this way. I've posted this the next day and I've used Marca articles, not Sport or El Mundo Deportivo.

"when Zinedine Zidane hit Pablo Alfaro's face violently"
"but the first one who hit was Zidane."
"the ref shown another red card this time to Javi Navarro, Sevilla's CD, in the min. 2. A totally unfair red card."
"Valdano recognized in Cadena Ser that he usually is the dress-rooms in the half time. What is he doing there? So we have a Real Madrid manager every half time talking with the ref?"

Thes are all examples of biased comments that don´t adjust to reality, Koeman.

Zidane´s hit, if anything, it´s just as violent as the one he recieved from Alfaro BEFORE in that very same play. The first who hit was Zidane!? :confused: Come on...

The ref didn´t show a red on Javi Navarro. It was a second yellow for an obstruction on Ronaldo. Saying it was a red is in a way manipulating the opinion of those who didn´t wath the game.

And Valdano said he often goes to REAL MADRID DRESSING ROOM (which he has every right too), not the ref´s. Another example of manipulated coments.

We are in the Final "despite" the referee, not "thanks" to him.
Alfaro went to play a ball, he shock against Zidane, in a football possible scene, he entered hard, but leagally. Zidane respoded with the hand on his face violently and that's a red card. Even Alfredo Relaño has said he deserved the red card.

Javi Navarro should not have had the first yellow card and the ref under Valdano's pressure sent off Javi Navarro in the first chance he had. That's said in Cadena Ser, the temple of the madridism, not in COM Ràdio or Catalunya Ràdio.

Valdano was waiting for the ref, he knew where the Real Madrid dress-room was... but he went to talk with the ref. He's a Real Madrid manager and he was there only to pressure the ref.

He said in El Larguero that he use to go to the Madrid dress-rooms and as we saw yesterday... to the refs dress-rooms too when he doesn't like what he's seeing.

Biased... perhaps it's true. But honestly I've never seen anything like this. I don't recall any manager of any club doing this kind of things in the half time. I've seen it at the end of a match... but never at the half time.

I'm not manipulating, I'm saying my version and Marca's version too with the opinions of some representants of Sevilla and Valdano, the only one of Real Madrid who wanted to talk about it.


Anyway, this thread will be of good use for some people to let their hatred, bias, provincialism and inferiority complexes out.
A pitty it has to be in the Spanish forum and not in a brand new "Crybaby Forum" created for the cause. :eek:
It's strange to see you saying this. You are insulting everyone's opinions here, calling them: hatred, bias, provincialism and inferiority complex.

Perhaps you are hot too, because I really appreciate you and I don't see why you say all those things... personally I don't hate Madrid, since I lived there more years than in my city and I love Madrid and its people. Calling provincialism to opinions that come from Alacant, Sevilla, Bilbao, Barcelona or other city that it's not Madrid, it's a concept of Spain erased many years ago and, personally, I don't have any inferiority complex. I just have an opinion about some things and I don't think I'm a kind of criminal because of this.

It has to be in the Spanish forum because it concerns to many teams in La Liga, not just one.

And as you see, your opinion is respected just like the other ones.
 

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Strange indeed that so many decisions have gone in favour of Real Madrid this season. Nobody can deny it, even AS and Marca recognise the fact. It ruins a lot of La Liga fun for me because of these issues. For example I simply can't say that Real Madrid have been the best team of La Liga this season, although they are leading.

Valdano is very stupid to have talked to that referee, he probably forgot that he was a manager that instant and only had fan feelings. I want the referee thing to end...
 

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Kiyan said:
There was no favoritism last night. Navarro got what he deserved.
And so did Zidane despite what Valdano tries to spin.

With that said, Spanish referees are the worst in all of the big leagues in Europe. The crime of it is that they are also paid the most.
 

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And so did Zidane despite what Valdano tries to spin.

With that said, Spanish referees are the worst in all of the big leagues in Europe. The crime of it is that they are also paid the most.
if zidane deserved a red, what alfaro deserved? a medal?:confused:
 

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Of course they're helped. But this ain't any news. It's been going on for almost 70 years. This is something that is really hard for people who haven't lived in Spain and seen the corruption form the inside to understand. I don't even have the energi to bring up all occasiones when we've been robbed against Madrid.
 

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After a while it gets old to keep on blaming the referee (however true it might). You just have to realize that against certain teams you are playing 11 vs 12. Oh well, no use harping on the issue.
 
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