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Capello said recently that the reason that Italian clubs are not doing so well in european competitions is because they test italian players rigorously with drug tests but in other countries they are lack lustre and not as harsh as the Italian FA. do you people agree with this comment and do you think that drug tests should be the same everywhere.
 

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Maybe so. A number of major players have tested positive immediately after joining Italian clubs - so it may hold truth. I don't think that the failure of Italian clubs in Europe can be blamed on this. Surely, Capello should admit his own fault on the failures of Roma - but it seems that he is too proud to do so.

Other countries are to improve their testing processes, like in England. We have arranged for some of the specialists that the Italian FA uses to organise new testing processes, and hopefully, we can forge the kind of reputation that Italy currently has.

Fabio really does come up with some insane explanations for things sometimes - maybe he should accept some of the blame for Roma's failings and start affresh next year instead of dragging it out.
 

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It may be true, or it may just be a cop-out, but either way, it brings up a valid point.

Drug testing must taken very seriously everwhere. There has to be a uniform set of punishments for violators, as well imo.
 

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He may be right. I think the testing in Italy is more stringent, but at the same time, there probably are more drug users in Italy. Its a lot like the chicken and the egg, which came first - more tests because more drugs takers, or more drug takers identified because of more tests. As with most things, probably a combination.

Either way, its a pittiful excuse for the failure of Italian clubs in Europe.
 

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It does explain how players in the EPL can go at that really high tempo for the whole of the 90 mins. And Stam tested positive for drugs almost straight away in Italy after joining Lazio. So he probably was using them when he was at Man Utd aswell.
 

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I don't think that the pace of the play in the Premiership has any links with drug usage at all. Stam was using drugs at Old Trafford - that is for sure. It was just a happy coincidence that Ferguson found out at roughly the same time as his book was released, otherwise there would have been an inquisition into it that Man Utd could have done without.
 

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So are suggesting that every player in the EPL is taking illeagal substances, Dusan?

One of the reason suggested for Italy's failure in Europe was the excessive emphasis on work-rate and not enough focus on flair players. Naturally this would need to more drug taking. The high tempo of EPL games, i dont think has anything to do with drugs either, it is merely a different style of play.

Bastin, forgive my ignorance but has Jaap Stam or anyone at Old Trafford admitted Stam took drugs at the club?
 

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Just wondering guys, but are there any estimates as to how many players take some sort of drugs to improve their performance? In the US, a former star revealed that between 50-80% of baseball players takes greenies or steroids

Are the numbers comparable in your opinion to European soccer players?
 

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Just wondering guys, but are there any estimates as to how many players take some sort of drugs to improve their performance? In the US, a former star revealed that between 50-80% of baseball players takes greenies or steroids

Are the numbers comparable in your opinion to European soccer players?
50-80%? That high?

I think that the numbers are minimal - perhaps 5% or so. Those in Italy are found out, and those on International duty are found out. UEFA also impose strict drugs tests after CL and UEFA Cup games, and all international representative matches like the European Super Cup. Therefore, the top players can't get away with it for long, and those with aspirations to reach the top can't either, as nandrolone takes about 2 months to become undetectable (I think).
 

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i think in the UK drug testing is 2 random players from each team every month or so, after a game - actually a Celtic player was found to have a series brain and blood disorder after the routine drugs test showed abnormalities. Most of the players found guilty have been for 'recreational' drugs (E etc) rather than performance enhancing - but given that it is not blanket tests, it could be argued that alot is being missed

However i think in the case of Nandrolone there is a scientific issue about the testing, where it is not 100% accurate and also that positives might be the result of food and vitamin supplements - so maybe this is the problem as far at Italy is concerned, as the clubs perhaps control the players diets and health more than elsewhere?

Also i think most of the major players - Davids, Frank de Boer etc who have tested positive have only 'just' tested positive - i cant explain this as i dont know all the proper figures or terms, but it is something like a positive nandrolone rating is 4, the players have scored 10 so are therefore guilty, but that athletes who have proved to be guilty in the olypmics of using it have scored in the 100s and that a score in the 100s would be necessary if the drug was to prove to be 'performance enhancing' (that could have been explained so much better, i'm sure :D )
 

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Bastin said:

50-80%? That high?
it seems believable, for two reasons. There is no testing and steroids are not banned substances. It is the only sport I know of which is like this. All of the other sports have a fair amount of testing, though not quite as organized as it is in Europe.


And the Players' Union is so strong, there may never be testing for that stuff.
 

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Deniz, forgive me if im wrong, but what susbstances could you take that would make you a better baseball player?

Steriods even wouldnt be of much use as i hardly think baseball puts great demand on stamina.

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Well have u see Mark McGwire and Barry Bonds

these guys are shattering the home runs thing every year

of course its stereoids

some of the guys have forearms as if they beat off al they with 50 lbs attached to the dong and forearm
ridiculous


but in italia the problem is that testing is very accurate, so even a slight drop and u are busted, and there is no tolerance

Where as in england esp after the stam case, i am sure many players use it

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Lav is right, baseball is all about power.

All of the current stars look like they are bodybuilders. They are 240 pounds, have no body fat, and can hit the ball 500 feet.

It is not natural.
 
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