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I don't get this; how can so many players on barcelona play so good at euro and suck so much for barca?? Zenden- we knew he had the talent before, but was hollands best play maker. He can't do that at barca! Kluivert- a scoring machine against teams like france, denmark and yugo, but can't score more than 15 goals in la primera!! Frank de boer-I never saw him take a free kick like that in spain, ever!

Maybe Barca should start over with a new team. what a waste of talent.
 
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Zenden wasn't playing in his ideal position at Barcelona.

And could it be that Bergkamp and Davids give Kluivert better balls than Rivaldo?
 

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I thought that Zenden's form at Euro 2000 was just like the form he showed in the 2nd half of this season.
Frank de Boer always took free kicks at Ajax i think, but try convincing Rivaldo and Figo to step aside. lol
And Kluivert has always had my respect since joining barca. Ok so he doesn't score very much for us, but he creates so many chances and shows such great vision and control always.
I wasn't at all surprised by his goals this month, because i always knew that he possesed this skill, he just lacked the selfless service that he has received from the dutch team.
Anyway, we all knew that barca had a great team last year, the problem was simply about VG's man-management (or lack of).
 

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I partly agree with Oly. I think a lot of Barça fans have got a pleasant surprise with Zenden in the Eurocup. He was always respected for the way he's settled in and learnt Spanish but not so much for his footballing capabilities. "When is he going to learn to cross a ball?" seems to be on everyone's tongue in BCN and you've got to admit he's played some really shocking matches for Barça - especially towards the end of the season! That's why people compare him with Sergio Santamaria and Nano. Perhaps he's not a winger or a full back after all and that's where man management comes in, doesn't it VG? Here's hoping old cheese face (as they call him in Britain)doesn't mess up the Holland team.
 

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Cool, alot of people seem to agree with me. lol :)
I'm not so concerned about his crossing ability actually.
Look at Giggs, he can't cross consistently well but is one of the best left-wingers in the world.
Perhaps Zenden could look at his example and begin to cut in more often, or just run at defenders and begin to slowly take away their confidence, eventually forcing an error.
 
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Spaniard Kluivert scored 15 goals in primera 8 in CL and i don't know how much in Copa ...so he did a fine job
he scored more then Rivaldo and Figo and is Barca's topscorer.
plus he issn't selfish ,he creates many chances for other teammates...kluivert is getting better and better

fdeBoer takes many freekicks for holland and at Ajax he was the first men for the job......Barca has Rivaldo figo and many more freekick-specialists

Zenden did not played his favourite possision at Barca he played as left-back and did a fine job.
plus he's getting stronger and srtonger and that's also thanks to VanGaal

The reason why Barca didn't won anything was because their is No team that can keep winning and winning everything
no matter how much quality the squad has, the players are humans too

at the end of the season Rivaldo was nothing , I don't know where he was with his mind but definatly not at Barca

Let's hope Barca wins CL next year

besides semi-finals CL
2e in primera
Coppa de rey final issn't a bad season common?
 
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I WILL TELL YOU WHY I THINK ALL THIS DUTCH AND OTHER FOREIGN
PLAYERS DONT PLAY NOT EVEN HALF AS WELL AS WHEN THEY PLAY FOR THERE TEAMS ITS BECAUSE OF THERE EXCESSIVE SALARIES THAT THEY MAKE THEY DONT CARE ABOUT EL BARSA THEY JUST CARE ABOUT MAKING MONEY!!! IF IT WAS UP TO ME I WOULD SEND ALL OF THE DUTCH PLAYERS BACK TO THERE COUNTRY AND SAVE A LOT OF MONEY IN THE PROCESS AND TRY TO GET MORE TOP QUALITY SPANISH PLAYERS!!! AND BELIEVE ME THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF GREAT SPANISH PLAYERS OUT THERE!!!
 
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DONT GET ME WRONG THERE WAS SOME VERY GOOD DUTCH PLAYERS IN EL BARSA,ONE BEING OF COURSE ONE OF THE BEST SOCCER PLAYERS OF ALL TIME JOHAN CRUYFF THE TULIPAN TORNADO!!!HE WAS POETRY IN MOTION,ALSO RONALD KOEMAN WHAT A GREAT FREE KICKER HE WAS REMEMBER THE GOAL AGAINST SAMPDORIA TO WIN THE EUROPEAN CUP IN 92 WHAT A SHOT!!! ALSO OF COURSE JOHAN NEESKENS TREMENDOUS HEART!! DONT GET ME WRONG I PERSONALLY ENJOY THE DUTCH STYLE OF PLAYING THE ORANGE MACHINE!! BUT I DONT THINK THAT THESE DUTCH PLAYERS IN BARSA PLAY UP TO THERE POTENTIAL ON THE TEAM. KLUIVERT IS A FANTASTIC GOAL SCORER BUT NOT IN BARSA OR THE TWO DEBOER BROTHERS THEY HAVE NOT PLAYED TO THERE POTENTIAL WITH EL BARSA.
 

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1> Dutch players don't ask more money than Spanish players.
2> No attitude? Zenden has the hymne of Barcelona in his car! And I don't think Rivaldo and Figo have a better attitude than the rest of the Dutch guys.
3> Top Spanish players against Yugoslavia:4-3. Two Spanish goals in the injury-time. Top Dutch players against Yugoslavia:6-1. The only Yugo-goal in the 92th minute, because the defense wasn't paying attention. Nothing strange when your 6-0 ahead.
4> If players aren't playing up to their potential, isn't it the fault of the coach and the other players? What if Figo and Rivaldo played for Kluivert? What of they gave him the assists, instead of otherwise? He'd be scoring 30 in La Liga! Ronald has played great matches, and Frank had a bit of a crisis. But that was caused most of all by VG's bad defensive coaching/system.

I agree, 8 Dutch players is bad for Barça. NOT because they stink. They are among the best players on their position. It's just because it's bad for the Catalan IDENTITY. Barça almost looked like Oranje last few years, but the players didn't do anything wrong.
 

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Lazio is looking to sign Bolo Zenden. He is not against the deal since he does not feel he will be in the starting 11 at the start of the season. But in turn we may sign Overmars, so this does not effect the Dutch situation. Also it looks like Bogarde will be on his way out even though he really doesn't want to, and I feel that De Boers are getting too old, but the change in system will help them so they should stay, but only in a supporting role. I think that Hesp should leave, the only ones we really should keep are Cocu, Reizeger, and Patrick.
 

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Patrick, Michael and Philip are the only ones we REALLY need. But Overmars for Zenden wouldn't be my transfer. Bogarde is the only one I want to get rid off. Hesp would be a great 2nd choice next year. And after that he can retire, and enjoy Barcelona for the rest of his life. De Boers... they are getting older, but because of their age I think it's better to let them stay until their contracts expire, because we won't get many $$$$$ for them if we sell them. And they aren't that bad.
 

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I´d say, Reiziger and Kluivert are essential for Barcelona, there should be no discussion about keeping them.
I´d also love seeing Zenden to stay, cause during the second half of the last season and Euro2000 I really appreciated his style and his effort. He´s a very versatile player, same goes for Cocu.
We should also keep the DeBoers, because especially Frank is important for the team (and I don´t think he would stay without his brother).
Bogarde should be sold and I don´t think Hesp is really needed in the goal, but that depends on our GK-situation (Dutruel, Arnau, Baia?).

to sum our situation up: We already have a great squad, and I don´t think we need a lot of changes, I don´t even like that possible Overmars-Zenden-deal.
 

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I have to say i agree that we should not get Overmars and get rid of Bolo Zenden. Zenden is a young player with room for improvement, Overmars is getting kind of old. The only problem that Zenden really needs to work on is his service into the strikers. It's horrible. For example, all those who have the tape of semifinal match against Valencia, watch how many chances he had to put in good crosses, and see how many were wasted. This is a serious problem, he has all the tools to be a great player, just the crosses are lacking. When he gets that, everyone will have to watch out. I still think SF will get another keeper and that Hesp may be on his way out next season. He is a good backup but i think he will want to give Arnau a spot since he is the future keeper in my mind.
 
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Hey dutch fcb could you imagine ajax or psv eindhoven filled with spanish players? its the same thing with el barsa you said it that the team loses personality with all the dutch players it was like holland was playing at times instead of el barsa!!! its ok to get a few great dutch players aka: kluivert,zenden or the two deboer brothers but to get 8 or 9 dutch players it just screws up the chemistry of a team!!! of course a lot i blame on the former manager van gaal who didnt have a clue were to put all the tremendous talent he had on the team.im glad he is gone hopefully serra ferrer will do a better job with the talent he has been handled.. remember a good real madrid fan is one who is hanged by the goal post at our camp nou stadium while he watches how his goalkeeper is beaten unmercyfuly by our great attackers..visca el barsa death to real madrid!!!!!
 

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El Barsa-my friend. I love your passion for Barca and share the same love for the team. But we in this forum pride ourselves on being level headed, intelligent fans of Barca. We rather not say how we feel about Madrid and try to obstain from making the bad comments they like to make about us. I respect your comments, but lets keep it clean and respectful, especially to those within this forum.Keep on posting, its great to have more Barca supporters.
 

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These were the scores of the last last season as well, 2-2 and 3-0!!!!!! It's a quite interesting thing.

I don't like Overmars-Zenden swap, I agree that Zenden is very young and he still has a lot to improve, and he has great performance in EURO 2000. Overmars is a bit old, compare to Zenden, therefore I don't quite understand. I want to ask WHAT ARE THEIR PRICES?????

I think Kluivert, Cocu and Zenden are the players who should stay, and maybe Reiziger as well. If we receive a good offer, maybe we can sell the twins. Borgarde is the one we should get rid off!!!! For Hesp, I think he's a good choice for the No.2 or 3 keeper, it depends on the goalkeeper situation, but I too think that he would be happy to stay at Barcelona, and retire.
 

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I don't want to ruin your day, but Ajax played with 4 Dutchmen a few seasons ago (FdBoer, RdBoer, vdSar and Witschge). No fan cared. Ajax is Ajax, and as long as the players are willing to give everything for Ajax it's ok. In fact: foreign players are a plus to the team. At least in Holland. it's not about where you're from, it's about what you want to achieve. And about the battle against Madrid: unlike the Catalans, the Dutch succeeded in their liberationbattle against Madrid. Maybe you can learn something from it.You see, even on emotions you will lose this discussion.

But I don't want to talk about emotions. It's something beneath the waist, and that's something I dislike. I agree with CM. Just look at the players we have, and say what's wrong with them. Zenden: his long cross. Kluivert: nothing. Cocu: nothing. Reiziger: nothing. F&RdBoer: getting old, but for the rest ok, although not very consistent. Hesp: was great, but getting a bit old. He'd still be a great 2nd goalie, and he wouldn't mind. Bogarde: I heard Chelsea wants him ;) But in the end: we all support the same club, and we want to see the team in Red and Blue to win at least 4 prizes next season... :) but whether they do so, only time will tell :( (I wish I could tell ;))

[Edited by A Dutch FCB Fan on 12-07-2000 at 20:45]
 
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